Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 via bengals.comThe Bengals aren’t looking to drop big numbers at either spot even though both players are valued highly by the club. So while tight ends Daniel Graham and Jeramy Stevens appear to be off the board, safeties such as Deon Grant and Derrick Gibson might be in play, as could the man who knocked Chad Johnson cold last season, Brian Russell of the Browns. I wouldn't mind Grant, but not Gibson hell no.Article says dont get intrested in Porter, YET, also that TKO wants to come back to Cincy, but needs to come cheap(duh).I think the Graham being off the board is a smoke screen, or Hobson just hates big name free agents.Also, Simmons wasnt released to add a veteran LB(we are going LB#1) but doesnt mean we wont add a veteran like TKO or Porter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I've liked Grant since the Super Bowl when he was with Carolina. I would like to have him around. On a side note... Obama '08! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hell ya Rover, you know how it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Russell, Gibson, and Grant ... what? I mean, really, what the hell? Why would the Bengals waste money on those rejects? I swear to God, Thornton, Robinson, Jackson ... are we EVER going to look at a player who can actually have an impact?!And Russell? Seriously? Come on! Even the BROWNS don't want that guy. He's like Kase, only not as good.Argh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hey BTG, thats the Bengals for ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I guess I'm not sure what "Big #'s" are to Hobson and the Bengals? I realize Graham will get some bids - but it's as if whenever that's the situation, the Bengals' automatically bow out.I guess that's what losers do.About time that changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I know, and I'm sick of it. I'm about to have a breakdown here. I mean, the two free agents I've been most excited about in my life as a Bengals fan are, and this is truly pathetic, Sam Adams at the end of his career, and Ashley freaking Ambrose. I guess I'm not sure what "Big #'s" are to Hobson and the Bengals? I realize Graham will get some bids - but it's as if whenever that's the situation, the Bengals' automatically bow out.I guess that's what losers do.About time that changed.And you know what, I'm sick and tired of Hobson, too. The front office puppet and his horrendous writing have driven me to the brink of murdering someone. Hobson and his damned propoganda. "The Bengals won't sign anyone and they don't need to. They are going to win with what they have. Blah, blah, blah."Freaking Bengals have one of the worst defenses in the league, have several big time need positions that can't be solved in the draft, and Hobson tries to make it sound like keeping the status quo is what's needed so the fans don't get their hopes up.Here's the worst part: he contradicts himself. He says the Bengals shouldn't go young and rebuild, but then he turns around and says they shouldn't sign free agents for several different reasons. Well which is it, Geoff? Fix the defense through the draft, or fix the defense with free agents?Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I agree with you BTG!PS, dont look for us to go for Grant because he is going to get some bidders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I guess that's what losers do.About time that changed.Losers like the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I think the Ravens won the Super Bowl with a lot of FA's. And take the Pats off that list TBD. They signed several big name FA's during their super bowl runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 How much do think graham is actually gonna cost per year? I figure they could get it done with space we really have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 And take the Pats off that list TBD. They signed several big name FA's during their super bowl runs"Big name" is the key. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 How much do think graham is actually gonna cost per year? I figure they could get it done with space we really have.It couldn't be much more than what they'll pay Kelly, but it doesn't matter, he won't sign here. The Bengals won't even make a real effort to get him, just like they won't go after any of the other big name free agents.And here's what kills me, you have Nate Clements on the market. He's an Ohio guy. He's a standout corner that could team up with Joseph for the next five years or so before he starts to lose his effectiveness. Yes, he'll command a high salary, but so would a first round corner. Plus with Clements you know what you're getting and he could step right in and play. NO ROOKIE corner could do that, so why not just sign him and build the defense around him, Madieu, & Joseph?No, that would cost money, and the Bengals don't do that. They'll overpay Bryan Robinson, John Thornton, Dexter Jackson, Carl Powell, Sam Adams, and other slightly above average players, but they won't pay market value for a top flight free agent who could actually come in and have an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 And take the Pats off that list TBD. They signed several big name FA's during their super bowl runs"Big name" is the key. Who?Roosevelt ColvinRodney HarrisonTed WashingtonKeith TraylorCorey Dillion(trade but still) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Roosevelt ColvinRodney HarrisonTed WashingtonKeith TraylorCorey Dillion(trade but still)The only two players I'll grant the "big name" tag are Harrison and Dillon. Is that list really all that different from this one?Sam AdamsDexter JacksonDeltha O'Neal (trade)Tory JamesJohn Thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 How much do think graham is actually gonna cost per year? I figure they could get it done with space we really have.It couldn't be much more than what they'll pay Kelly.And here's what kills me, you have Nate Clements on the market. He's an Ohio guy. He's a standout corner that could team up with Joseph for the next five years or so before he loses his effectiveness. Yes, he'll command a high salary, but so would a first round corner. Plus with Clements you know what you're getting and he could step right in and play. NO ROOKIE could do that, so why not just sign him and build the defense around him, Madieu, & Joseph?No, that would cost money, and the Bengals don't do that. They'll overpay Bryan Robinson, John Thornton, Dexter Jackson, Carl Powell, Sam Adams, and other slightly above average players, but they won't pay market value for a top flight free agent who could actually come in and have an impact.Graham wont cost much at all.I agree with you 150% BTG. Nate Clements would be a huge addition, but we dont believe in spending money. Why the hell dont we get rid of the useless overpaid garbage on this team that continues to make our defense horrible and add a shutdown corner who is only 26 and can give you 6, 7 years of productivity. I just don't know anymore. I think our biggest addition this year will prob. be Daniel Gibson, and we will give him $15 million for 3 years...a typical Bengals Signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James_Brooks21 Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 And take the Pats off that list TBD. They signed several big name FA's during their super bowl runs"Big name" is the key. Who?Like I keep saying but everybody is ignoring Ken Hamlin would be a great pickup for the Bengals, he's young (26) and is a hard hitter. Ken is not that rangy but we could put Madieu at nickel or corner depending on how Deltha shows up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 And take the Pats off that list TBD. They signed several big name FA's during their super bowl runs"Big name" is the key. Who?Roosevelt ColvinRodney HarrisonTed WashingtonKeith TraylorCorey Dillion(trade but still)The only two players I'll grant the "big name" tag are Harrison and Dillon. Is that list really all that different from this one?Sam AdamsDexter JacksonDeltha O'Neal (trade)Tory JamesJohn Thorntonyeah it is because Colvin, Harrison, Washington, Traylor, and Dillion won a super bowl, and are pro bowl players. Colvin and Harrison were huge signings for this teamLike I keep saying but everybody is ignoring Ken Hamlin would be a great pickup for the Bengals, he's young (26) and is a hard hitter. Ken is not that rangy but we could put Madieu at nickel or corner depending on how Deltha shows up.I would be happy with that. Hamlin is a good,competitive player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 You know what's really funny? The 49ers are something like 24 million under the cap, but if Hobson were writing for them, they'd likely say (repeatedly) that they only have about 5 or 6 million to spend. Here's something interesting regarding cap room, by the way. Click the link:http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=45667It's funny, because I remember reading the Bengals are one of the teams with the most space available, and they cut an extra three million off when they released Simmons, but Hobson is ADAMENT that they only have about 2-3 million to spend. Please.Also, according to the salary cap chart, if the Bengals cut Deltha, they would save an extra 2 mil off the cap. Why not make an effort to sign Clements and then cut Deltha if he decided to come here? No, that would make too much sense. Let's keep the overpriced baby with a bad attitude who plays ten f**king yards off receivers on third and eight, gets caught for a DUI, and rubs off poorly on Jonathan Joseph instead. Good call, Bengals.Let's see, what else? Thornton and Robinson: Pretty much everyone who watches them agrees they're overpriced ninnies. Neither of them contribute much of anything that couldn't easily be replaced in the draft or via low priced free agents. And the cap savings? How about 3.1 for JT and 1.8 for Robinson. Hell, JT's cap his this season is almost 4.5 million! That is just way too much for 82 tackles and 4 sacks in two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeap Hobson is peice of s**t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Yeap Hobson is peice of s**t.Yeah, to hell with Hobson! I would take his job and do it 10 times better. I say we have a poll for who from Bengalszone.com should replace Hobson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hell, JT's cap his this season is almost 4.5 million! That is just way too much for 82 tackles and 4 sacks in two seasons.Not trying to disagree with you. Thornton isn't a fantastic DT... but those stats don't really tell me anything. He's a DT. Those guys don't rack up stats like MLB's do. For instance: Tommie Harris of the Bears is arguably the best DT over the last 3 years. He's racked up 103 total tackles and 11.5 sacks in that time.That's 34 tackles/year and 3.8 sacks/year. In that time span Thornton has 46 tackles/year and 2.3 sacks/year.Granted... he's not Tommie Harris. Never will be, but these aren't the stats you want to look at when evaluating a DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Shame on Hobson for doing his job. Would people prefer he manipulate the cap figures at his will to make it look prettier? I mean, that whole "math" thing is overrated, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hobson does a horrible job. How do we have $30 million in cap room to practically nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Hobson does a horrible job. How do we have $30 million in cap room to practically nothing?The most I saw from any credible site was 18.7 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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