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Was it a mistake letting Leslie Frazier go?


Kazkal

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I'd perfer marvin not meshing if it ment getting rid of chucky /cry

but I guess were just gonna have to stick it out with raider trash.

PS,I guess marvin likes when you blitz it's the same blitz over and over and over.

Yeah, it always works when the line and QB know exactly where the pressure is coming from. It wouldn't really be honorable otherwise, right?

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Their schemes and methods may have differed, but the end results haven't. Too many big plays surrendered at the worst possible time.

Personally, I prefer a defense that attacks as if it's collective hair was on fire, but despite my love for stunting and blitzing it's fair to say Frazier's units were rarely in the right position and couldn't tackle at all.

In contrast, a Bres defense doesn't attempt to do as much, and as a result doesn't accomplish much.

Pretty hard to feel much love for either coach, ehh?

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I've asked myself this question more than a few times this season. In a way though, I think both DC's have left a lot to be desired. While Frazier got me more pumped with the aggressiveness of the plays -- they at least looked like they were doing something out there -- the poor tackling was as evident then as it is now. I would think that reflects poorly on the position coaches first and then on the side of the ball as a whole. Moreover, the odd ability to turn the ball over last year in the secondary and the equally-odd complete inability to do that this year leaves me scratching my head as to exactly WTF is going on at any particular time. Some continuity in personnel couldn't hurt next year - injuries were brutal - but I agree that this doesn't explain everything. Baffling really. I continue to hope we're just a young team that may someday learn how to tackle and play with discipline.

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Do you expect them have top 10 run defense when their entire front 7 is undersized? I was talking more about what he did for us then the colts...ya colts run defense sucks bt so does our pass he also only had total of 2 years...plus we went defensive heavy on drafts after he left so he had abunch crap FA's and few decent players like Bsimms and Jsmith to work with...

I wonder if defense starts out stinking next season if marvin takes control ala ravens with offense last year.

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Do you expect them have top 10 run defense when their entire front 7 is undersized? I was talking more about what he did for us then the colts...ya colts run defense sucks bt so does our pass he also only had total of 2 years...plus we went defensive heavy on drafts after he left so he had abunch crap FA's and few decent players like Bsimms and Jsmith to work with...

I don't think Marvin axed Leslie because of the defense's performance so much as his disagreement with Leslie's defensive philosophies.

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Vikings | Colts' Frazier could be candidate for def. coordinator job

Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:38:36 -0800

Sean Jensen, of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, reports Indianapolis Colts defensive backs coach and assistant to the head coach Leslie Frazier could be a candidate for the Minnesota Vikings defensive coordinator vacancy. However, the Vikings would have to wait until after the Super Bowl Sunday, Feb. 4, to ask for permission to speak to Frazier, who is under contract with the Colts for 2007. "I'd like to get that opportunity one day, to advance," Frazier said. "Like most coaches in our profession, you want to advance, and my goal is to one day be a head coach in the NFL, and one of those steps will probably be being a coordinator (again). Hopefully, the right opportunity will come." Frazier served as the Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator in 2003-04. Frazier and Vikings head coach Brad Childress worked together as Philadelphia Eagles assistants from 1999-2002.

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The thing I found most interesting was the idea that Lovie Smith and Ron Rivera, two of the most respected defensive minded coaches in the NFL, chose to attack the Colt's offense in exactly the same manner that Marvin and Bres did this year....with almost identical results.

Yup. I thought the Bears biggest problem on defense was their inability to create a pass rush with the front four (sounds familiar). Manning had plenty of time to find checkdown receivers underneath all game long (sounds familiar) and hence the Colts were able to establish incredible offensive balance.

My initial and predictable thoughts regarding Marvin's/Bresnehan's scheming against the Colts was that it was outright stupid... but meh. We couldn't execute the gameplan effectively without a pass rush, and nor could the Bears.

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I'm going to take a different approach. Personally, I think it's the talent (or lack thereof). You can have the best schemes of all-time if you don't have the talent to cover them.

Look at our cornerbacks. Deltha O'Neal is starting to be known as a guy that just doesn't give two s**ts about football. Tory James is... well... just awful. Ratliff, IMHO, has been disappointing as hell. JJ looked good in '06...... so there's one.

Linebacker? Look, I like some, but the finalist for '05 defensive rookie of the year was suspended for '06 and we know Pollack's story. Most of our linebackers that played all season were backups. Two were rookies that weren't acquired through the traditional draft or post FA-draft (supplemental draft, CFL experience). Our d-line has been known to be very average to below average. No one, except maybe Geathers who only played partially, really stood out among everyone else.

I think there's justification for blaming coordinators until you're blue in the face. But keep these two things in mind.

1. The talent isn't all that great.

2. Injury is a valid excuse.

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I'm going to take a different approach. Personally, I think it's the talent (or lack thereof). You can have the best schemes of all-time if you don't have the talent to cover them.

Look at our cornerbacks. Deltha O'Neal is starting to be known as a guy that just doesn't give two s**ts about football. Tory James is... well... just awful. Ratliff, IMHO, has been disappointing as hell. JJ looked good in '06...... so there's one.

Linebacker? Look, I like some, but the finalist for '05 defensive rookie of the year was suspended for '06 and we know Pollack's story. Most of our linebackers that played all season were backups. Two were rookies that weren't acquired through the traditional draft or post FA-draft (supplemental draft, CFL experience). Our d-line has been known to be very average to below average. No one, except maybe Geathers who only played partially, really stood out among everyone else.

I think there's justification for blaming coordinators until you're blue in the face. But keep these two things in mind.

1. The talent isn't all that great.

2. Injury is a valid excuse.

I couldn't agree more ! Bengal by the bay brought up something I've been thinking of too which is despite different DC's we continually hear the same things year after year about not lining up right, not making the tackles, not doing your job etc. I realize this year they had alot of rookies playing but at what point do they start to look @ the position coaches most of which has been the only constant on the defensive side of the ball? D Simmons did a good job turning around the Special teams they should look @ changing the LB & DL coaches.

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