Overrated/Underrated Bengals' Players

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Underrated:

Landon Johnson

Jonathan Joseph

Domata Peko

Glenn Holt

Rashad Jeanty

Kyle Larson

Eric Steinbach

Sam Adams

Jeremi Johnson

Chris Henry

TJ

Overrated:

Brian Simmons

Caleb Miller

Levi Jones

Eric Ghuichiac

Bobbie Williams

Chad Johnson

Justin Smith

Stacy Andrews

[Kazkal]

Underrated:

Landon Johnson

-I think he's rated where he should be.

Jonathan Joseph

-Same

Domata Peko

-Same

Glenn Holt

-I think he's bit underrated got no <3 about his returns but did a very good job.

Rashad Jeanty

-He looks be solid backup I do hope he will be a good starter one day.

Kyle Larson

-Very unrated has improved everyear...get this man a new contract!

Eric Steinbach

-I'd say he's overrated he's good but not as good as some people make him sound

Sam Adams

As old as he is gotta give him some props even if hes only decent.

Jeremi Johnson

-Underused last year.

Chris Henry

-Not really people praise him for his onfield play it's off field that he isen't praised for... it's what 1 out 6 catches are always a TD thats saying something....he's huge! lol.

TJ

-True but starting get some love.

Overrated:

Brian Simmons

Solid starter but is going down hill with age.

Caleb Miller

-see landon...was overrated this year but solid special teamer/backup if starters are healthy.

Levi Jones

-Quit your hating Levi Jones is one of best LT's when healthy...but there lies the problem but is awesome when he isen't.

Eric Ghuichiac

-don't you have be rated good to be overrated?

Bobbie Williams

-Servicable but if we could pick up a 3rd I woulden't mind upgrading.

Chad Johnson

-Ya.... he's so overrated quit your hating chad is top 5 WR and is ranked as so.

Justin Smith

-He's a good player just will never live up to his draft postion

Stacy Andrews

-don't see how he's a back up "shrug"

[Spain]

The football God spain has decided to say, Rudi is way overated. He cant win a game without carson. Waiting for him and man of glass(perry) to win games is retarded. We need a homerun back to make this a balanced ofense. This is all palmer.

P.S.

I made my picks high!

[Kirkendall]

Overrated.

8-8? I pick everyone -- including coaches

(how much of a cop out answer is that?!)

[BengalPimp]

Underrated:

Chris Henry

Overrated:

Chad Johnson

The Fact that you think Chad is overrated and Henry is underrated--leads me to believe either 1 of 2 things.

You must either be a complete moron, or you are Chris Henry's LOVER. Shula might have some sugar in his tank

Yeah, you may have a point, Chad has only led his conference in receiving yards an NFL record 4 straight seasons...yeah he sucks

But Henry is waaaaay underrated huh? I mean the guy has 3...count them 3...career 100 yard receiving games. Is it too early to induct Henry in the Hall of fame?

[Thurmanation]

Underrated:

Chris Henry

Overrated:

Chad Johnson

The Fact that you think Chad is overrated and Henry is underrated--leads me to believe either 1 of 2 things.

You must either be a complete moron, or you are Chris Henry's LOVER. Shula might have some sugar in his tank

Yeah, you may have a point, Chad has only led his conference in receiving yards an NFL record 4 straight seasons...yeah he sucks

But Henry is waaaaay underrated huh? I mean the guy has 3...count them 3...career 100 yard receiving games. Is it too early to induct Henry in the Hall of fame?

I dont give a damn what some of you say, Chad can catch a deep ball ill give him that, ill also give him the fact hes an extremely fast football player, but the amount of EASILY caught balls this season was a bit weird for a man of his caliber, and also Rudi is extremely over-rated, i love him and all but it is true if carson went down theres no way this team would survive.

[CBin2k7]

it's hard to come up with underrated players on this team. I think everyone is either overrated or right where they should be.

If I had to choose a few underrated players it would be

Tab Perry

Kenny Watson

Overrated.

Eric Steinbach (gets overpowered at the line of scrimmage, he makes a fair amount of mental mistakes, he is a one trick pony at guard. He may want to play LT, but I don't know if he would be that great at that position anyway)

Jury Still out

Madieu Williams...he is supposed to be a difference maker on defense, he needs help. Madieu also needs to wrap up a lot better.

[Bngals1]

I'm as big a Chad Johnson as there is, however, I feel that Chad disappears in big games. I know some may argue but the stats speak for themself.

Sep 24 @ PIT W 28-20 1 Catch 11 Yards 0 TD

Oct 1 NWE L 13-38 6 Catches 64 Yards 0 TD

Nov 5 @ BAL L 20-26 4 Catches 31 Yards 0 TD

Nov 30 BAL W 13-7 8 Catches 91 Yards 0 TD

Dec 18 @ IND L 16-34 3 Catches 37 Yards 0 TD

Dec 24 @ DEN L 23-24 3 Catches 32 Yards 0 TD

Dec 31 PIT L 17-23 4 Catches 53 Yards 0 TD

Those are arguably the 7 biggest games of the year and he doesn't have one, not one damn touchdown or one 100 yard game. He scored his 7 touchdowns in 4 games. When we needed him most, at the end of the year, he went the last 6 games without a TD. I like Chad, I think he's a stud, but I do think he needs to tone it down(stay off that damn NFL Network everyday) until he starts to produce when it matters. I will agree that we were in a funk when San Diego came town and he BLEW UP, that's the only one I will give him though.

[BengalPimp]

Underrated:

Chris Henry

Overrated:

Chad Johnson

The Fact that you think Chad is overrated and Henry is underrated--leads me to believe either 1 of 2 things.

You must either be a complete moron, or you are Chris Henry's LOVER. Shula might have some sugar in his tank

Yeah, you may have a point, Chad has only led his conference in receiving yards an NFL record 4 straight seasons...yeah he sucks

But Henry is waaaaay underrated huh? I mean the guy has 3...count them 3...career 100 yard receiving games. Is it too early to induct Henry in the Hall of fame?

I dont give a damn what some of you say, Chad can catch a deep ball ill give him that, ill also give him the fact hes an extremely fast football player, but the amount of EASILY caught balls this season was a bit weird for a man of his caliber

Easily caught? Maybe because he just makes it LOOK easy.

Every WR in the NFL "can catch a deep ball" ...The reason why they DONT, and Chad DOES, is because

when you combine Chad's HANDS, SPEED, SEPARATION ABILITY, THE DOUBLE & EVEN TRIPLE MOVES HE USES, Its hard for Defenses(impossible if they only commit 1 defender to him) To consistently stop him.

Even if a team has a CB who is Fast---Johnson has too many moves, and if the CB even bites for a split-second, that's more than enough time for Johnson to disappear from his sight.

Everyone needs to just give the man his due. Forget his Talk, his Antics, his hair color.

I wish all the Bengals Worked as HARD as he does from the second the ball is snapped, until the whistle is blown.

The guy NEVER....NEVER quits on a route, and NEVER stops trying to get open, and pays attention to whats happening.

BENGALS FANS MAN-UP and Pay Attention to all the times that Chad makes catches that werent a product of a designed route. You saw quite a bit of it this season, when Carson was getting chased around, and CHAD ALWAYS AWARE, broke off his routes and cut back to find an open spot when Carson WASNT GIVEN ANY TIME BY THE OL, and had to get rid of the ball earlier than Designed.

AWARENESS, a trait great receivers have, however are hardly given any credit for!

(note: TJ also did a great job of that this season and helped Carson out as well)

[marvinwetrust]

mayb we dont need chad score td's mayb thats not his role. mayb he's doubled in the redzone...also for the rudi haters most teams are nuthin without there qb's ex colts partiots ect... that dosent mean that there rb's are garbage most all teams are built around there qb's

[BengalPimp]

I'm as big a Chad Johnson as there is, however, I feel that Chad disappears in big games. I know some may argue but the stats speak for themself.

Sep 24 @ PIT W 28-20 1 Catch 11 Yards 0 TD

Oct 1 NWE L 13-38 6 Catches 64 Yards 0 TD

Nov 5 @ BAL L 20-26 4 Catches 31 Yards 0 TD

Nov 30 BAL W 13-7 8 Catches 91 Yards 0 TD

Dec 18 @ IND L 16-34 3 Catches 37 Yards 0 TD

Dec 24 @ DEN L 23-24 3 Catches 32 Yards 0 TD

Dec 31 PIT L 17-23 4 Catches 53 Yards 0 TD

Those are arguably the 7 biggest games of the year and he doesn't have one, not one damn touchdown or one 100 yard game. He scored his 7 touchdowns in 4 games. When we needed him most, at the end of the year, he went the last 6 games without a TD. I like Chad, I think he's a stud, but I do think he needs to tone it down(stay off that damn NFL Network everyday) until he starts to produce when it matters. I will agree that we were in a funk when San Diego came town and he BLEW UP, that's the only one I will give him though.

Hey Junior..let me share something with you..watch film of any of those games. YOU TELL ME where he disappears?

He's running full-speed on every play and all over the field trying to get open.

TELL ME SOMETHING

Name any of those games where they put only 1 defender on him?

--Steelers dont play him man-to-man

--Colts gave safety help over the top on Chad, they play a Cover 2 defense

--Patriots Gave Him DOUBLE and even TRIPLE COVERAGE, All Game (thanks to Henry not playing)

since it was just Chad and TJ....Hell the coverage on Chad even allowed KellyWashington to get 3 catches

--Baltimore gives safety help deep and drop LB to Chad short

By him taking up a CB and Safety at times, gives TJ and Henry SINGLE COVERAGE, and Equally Important MORE FIELD SPACE as there is 1 less defender in that portion(zone) of the field.

Is it a Coincidence that in those games the others receivers "just happen" to find it a little easier to get open?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE...WATCH THE GAME FILMS....Look how quickly Carson will throw to TJ or Henry, often not even looking at Chad, and trying to get the ball to TJ or Henry to take advantage of the Single Coverage they're getting because of the extra defenders Chad occupies.

WHY WOULD THEY TAKE A CHANCE THROWING INTO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE COVERAGE, WHEN CHAD MAKES IT EASIER FOR TJ OR HENRY TO BEAT THEIR SINGLE COVERAGE?

Thats the reason for those numbers

For you to say Chad disappears is STUPID.

He's easy to find, just look for the guy being covered by multiple defenders.

---LOL--You say the stats speaks for themselves? Learn something about the game, numbers dont tell the WHOLE STORY.....as for TD's they have other options in the Red-Zone (inside the 20). BECAUSE HE WILL STILL COMMAND THE SAME COVERAGE, AND WITH A SHORTER MORE COMPACT FIELD, WHY WOULD THEY TRY TO SQUEEZE IT IN TO HIM TIGHT IN DOUBLE COVERAGE?

--Thats why the single covered 6'4" Henry has 7 of his 9 TD's of 16 yards or less....4 of them from 8 yards or less....

[HairOnFire]

Uhhhh, who came up with the ratings that we're now debating? Or are these just straw man rankings that Kid Steakhouse pulled out of his ass?

[Stripes]

For you to say Chad disappears is STUPID.

He's easy to find, just look for the guy being covered by multiple defenders.

Nobody has to watch game film to know the obvious facts your screaming about. We all know full well that Chad faces tougher coverage than the other receivers on the team, causing them to be open more often and causing Carson to throw the ball elsewhere. That's Football 101 for any #1 receiver of note.

What's your point?

Why are those facts any more relevant in big games than they are in less important games when Chad is more successful? Throughout his career his numbers have slacked in big games, and there is more to that than simple coverage schemes that he faces in EVERY game he plays. I agree that he is overrated, and probably the most overrated player on the team. Folks might call me a "hater" or whatever, but I'm basing that opinion entirely on observation of his play and on the statistics he has produced himself.

I'm hardpressed to think of anyone else on the roster to call overrated (God, I am so sick of that stupid word). Madieu might be worthy, but it's arguable. I'd say the same thing about "underrated." Most of the team gets the credit it deserves, for better or worse.

[Bngals1]

Pimp,

You are so smart. I provide stats and you assume my name is Junior, he runs full speed on every play(you must watch a lot of film to make such a brilliant statement, I wish I knew as much as you), say my point is "STUPID", inform me to watch the game films with you and Merril Hodge, tell me to learn something about the game when you don't even know me, and misquote me as saying numbers tell the WHOLE story. When I grow up I want to be as smart as you. No wonder I never post anything, moron.

[Vol_Bengal]

For you to say Chad disappears is STUPID.

He's easy to find, just look for the guy being covered by multiple defenders.

Nobody has to watch game film to know the obvious facts your screaming about. We all know full well that Chad faces tougher coverage than the other receivers on the team, causing them to be open more often and causing Carson to throw the ball elsewhere. That's Football 101 for any #1 receiver of note.

What's your point?

Why are those facts any more relevant in big games than they are in less important games when Chad is more successful? Throughout his career his numbers have slacked in big games, and there is more to that than simple coverage schemes that he faces in EVERY game he plays. I agree that he is overrated, and probably the most overrated player on the team. Folks might call me a "hater" or whatever, but I'm basing that opinion entirely on observation of his play and on the statistics he has produced himself.

I'm hardpressed to think of anyone else on the roster to call overrated (God, I am so sick of that stupid word). Madieu might be worthy, but it's arguable. I'd say the same thing about "underrated." Most of the team gets the credit it deserves, for better or worse.

Agreed... I understand Chad gets double, triple-teamed all game long but so do Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith, etc. etc. etc., they don't bitch about it. Chad won the yardage title this year because of a 4 game stretch where he went nuts. We need more consistency - I'd rather have 11-12 100-125 yard games than 3/4 190-250 yards games. The great receivers learn to play against the double, and triple, teams and still produce. I'm fairly certain that in his prime Jerry Rice didn't see single coverage very often, if ever. They rolled a safety over the top so the CB could jump the underneath stuff but Rice still produced, in big games too. Not wanting to hate on Chad - I like CJ but be more consistent. Along those same lines, I like Marvin Harrison's demeanor - Chad, shut up and just do your job and play.

[Kirkendall]

I fail to see how a wide receiver that led the NFL in receiving yards is considered "overrated".

I fail to see how Rudi Johnson is over-rated when he's broken rushing records each of the past three seasons.

And those of you that think that if Palmer goes down, then... um, duh?! When you pass 100 more plays than run, that's simply common sense.

[Stripes]

I fail to see how a wide receiver that led the NFL in receiving yards is considered "overrated".

His yardage production is great every year, no doubt. He doesn't score as often as other receivers widely considered in the same league or tier though (could be the result of Carson throwing his TDs to everyone though). My major complaints with Chad are his inconsistency, drops, and his tendency to morph into a horrible leader when the Bengals lose games.

I did call him "overrated," but I do still place him among the top eight or so. I'm happy to have him in stripes, but he is certainly far from perfect (not that anyone called him perfect).

[TJJackson]

Underrated

Tab Perry, Kenny Watson, Ethan Kilmer, Kevin Kaesviharn, and the recently departed Rich "Buckethead" Braham

Overrated

Madieu - was not the impact player in 2006 he was in 2004

Fat Sam - just watch him waddle off the field

Big Willy - great player and human being, but his best games are behind him.

Rudi - fan favorite who is starting to fumble, little or no breakaway ability

[Kirkendall]

No NFL receiver had more yards. He didn't have the touchdown numbers because Henry and T.J. each had nine. His Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement ranked 5th. Hell, he broke a record for most receiving yards in a two-game stretch. He's breaking all-time records AND leading the league in yardage.

If his drops, which I won't deny are an issue, then I think we should consider Carson Palmer as over-rated. Palmer threw 13 picks, ranked 11th with a 62.3 completion and ranked 7th with a 93.9 passer rating. And how many throws did he make that was nine feet over the receivers heads?

I'm not trying to be complicated. Maybe we should define "over-rated".

[Stripes]

No NFL receiver had more yards. He didn't have the touchdown numbers because Henry and T.J. each had nine. His Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement ranked 5th. Hell, he broke a record for most receiving yards in a two-game stretch. He's breaking all-time records AND leading the league in yardage.

If his drops, which I won't deny are an issue, then I think we should consider Carson Palmer as over-rated. Palmer threw 13 picks, ranked 11th with a 62.3 completion and ranked 7th with a 93.9 passer rating. And how many throws did he make that was nine feet over the receivers heads?

I'm not trying to be complicated. Maybe we should define "over-rated".

Palmer certainly had a less impressive season than he did in 2005, given the statistics you mentioned and the thirteen fumbles. The difference between him and Chad, IMO, is that we've yet to see enough from Carson to determine whether his shortcomings this season are the norm or the exception. Chad's struggled with the same things throughout his career.

[Kirkendall]

No NFL receiver had more yards. He didn't have the touchdown numbers because Henry and T.J. each had nine. His Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement ranked 5th. Hell, he broke a record for most receiving yards in a two-game stretch. He's breaking all-time records AND leading the league in yardage.

If his drops, which I won't deny are an issue, then I think we should consider Carson Palmer as over-rated. Palmer threw 13 picks, ranked 11th with a 62.3 completion and ranked 7th with a 93.9 passer rating. And how many throws did he make that was nine feet over the receivers heads?

I'm not trying to be complicated. Maybe we should define "over-rated".

Palmer certainly had a less impressive season than he did in 2005, given the statistics you mentioned and the thirteen fumbles. The difference between him and Chad, IMO, is that we've yet to see enough from Carson to determine whether his shortcomings this season are the norm or the exception. Chad's struggled with the same things throughout his career.

My only point is that with everything that he did THIS season being among the best receivers in the league (Pro Bowl each season since 2003), should eliminate him as an over-rated candidate. Anyway, I suspect we'll just disagree on this one buddy.

[agreen_112]

I actually agree with you Tjack... for the most part. Do not agree with you about Willie... he's still got some diesel left in that tank!

I'm sorry but Sam has been pretty solid too. Yeah he may not have the tackles, but it's that presence that he has that makes him so special. He made a few really good plays too this year...

Rudi's overrated. He's such a difficult guy to call plays for. Yeah he's a workhorse but he's just not a stud. I'd like to have a guy like Brian Westbrook. He doesn't only have that power but he also has great speed.

I agree with Thurmanation about Chad too. His antics and missed oppurtunities are what make him a bit overrated IMO. I want to see Chad come out and just play FOOTBALL this year. If he has another season with less than 10 TD's, he's 100% overrated!!!

[Whur CHad At?]

So Chad leads the league in receiving yards for i don't know 4 years straight, beats Jerry Rice's record, yet is overrated.

Rudi has three straight solid years, outrushes Brian Westbrook every year, and yet he is overrated. I don't get it

[MacD BengalFan]

I'm sorry but Sam has been pretty solid too. Yeah he may not have the tackles, but it's that presence that he has that makes him so special. He made a few really good plays too this year...

I disagree. On a number of occasions I saw Sam easily shoved aside for the RB to run by. His size and weight is not an asset but I believe a hinderance as he can't move side to side let alone forward. He may have a quick first step, after that he is as slow as a snail stuck in malasses. He was brought in to stop the run, but everyone ran by him. Domata Peko is far better, faster and quicker then Sam and deserves more playing time then what he got. I only saw Sam make one good play and that was near the end of the season. He is clearly overated.

[Spain]

Rudi should be traded. The rest of the guys had a bad year.goes with the teritory. Time to facce facys Rudi cant win a game by himself. He is all Palmer. We need a real threat at RB. We should trade Rudi! the real ? is what could we get for him?