blueridge Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Reading Hobson on Bengals website-what do you know,they have over 20million in cap space but are severely restricted in their ability to sign free agents. What a surprise. This seems to be an annual Hobsonian event. By his calculations, the Bengals would seem to need about 50 million in cap space to sign more than one free agent. The same article suggests that the Bengals might put the franchise tag on Justin Smith. What a joke. What is his market value? Compare that to Eric Steinbach. Put the franchise tag on Steinbach. There is demand for an outstanding, young and versatile OL. He would likely be worth a first round pick to some other team if the Bengals are unwilling to give him a Hutchison-like contract extension. Justin Smith does not have comparable value on the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I agree I think the Bengals should franchise then trade Steinbach. I think a team will be willing to make that trade. Doesn't NE have two first rounders this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Won't work, he's a guard, tag gives him top-5 left tackle money. I've a feeling he'd sign the franchise tender rather quickly. The tag-n-trade doesn't work for OLs other than LT.He's nowhere near as good as Hutchinson either, so he doesn't deserve that kind of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge Posted January 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 No, you are wrong. First, Steinbach is better than Hutchison. Second, Steinbach is not only a top 5 guard, he will excel at LT, which is where his market value lies. No unrestricted free agent will elicit greater demand than this guy. Just watch. The Bengals must give him the franchise tag or risk losing him without any recompense. If they tag him, some team will be willing to give AT LEAST a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 steinbach and smith are both iffy either way you look at it. there isnt a good or bad move either way in either situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 No, you are wrong. First, Steinbach is better than Hutchison. Second, Steinbach is not only a top 5 guard, he will excel at LTSorry but hutchison is better...Eric is great at pulling but still isen't better then hutch...ya he could be a LT and a team might try him out at it...but I highly doubt a team would cough up a 1st for him ? mybe a 2nd but probbley a 3rd at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 No, you are wrong. First, Steinbach is better than Hutchison. Second, Steinbach is not only a top 5 guard, he will excel at LT, which is where his market value lies. No unrestricted free agent will elicit greater demand than this guy. Just watch. The Bengals must give him the franchise tag or risk losing him without any recompense. If they tag him, some team will be willing to give AT LEAST a first round pick.Steinbach was horrible this year, and to speak his name in the same breath as Steve Hutchinson is a terrible insult to Steve. It's arguable whether he's worth tag money, but I see no way in hell anyone trades that much for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 steinbach is in no way better than hutchinson, are you sure you werent in car smoking with JJ last night?as for justin smith, he really isnt that bad of a DE...how many DE's are there in the league that can play the run as well as they can against the pass...he had double digit in sacks again...DE's like peppers are impossible to find...would you really want freeny on the bengals, sure he gets after the qb (even though he had low sack numbers this year) but freeny is pathetic against the run...we invested our pass rushing DE money in geathers...justin would be a good investment on he bengals part as long as he doenst want top five DE money...which is exactly what he will want and the bengals GM will have to figure that out, oh wait we dont have one hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 If they had to tag either JSmith or ESteinbach give me Eric...he may not be as good as SHutchinson but not many G's are in this league...If they could let TSpikes walk without getting anything, they sure as hell can let JSmith go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Every year Hobson trots out this article to pre-explain why the Bengals can't get a free agent who could actually help the team. Expect him to rehash some of this stuff when they lose out on Asante Samuel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 We woulden't go after samuel anyways marvin has stated not wanting a CB from FA because of how overpriced they are...then you'd also be paying oneal 4million dollars to be nickel corner.If we brought anyone should be ....lance briggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 There's Marvin, pre-explaining why they will be cheap. Fine. But it's bulls**t to call genuine talent overpriced. And anyone who watched Samuel remove Marvin Harrison from that game yesterday knows how big an impact he would have on the Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 There's Marvin, pre-explaining why they will be cheap. Fine. But it's bulls**t to call genuine talent overpriced. And anyone who watched Samuel remove Marvin Harrison from that game yesterday knows how big an impact he would have on the Bengals.yeah i saw asante play yesterday and he did look good, real good...i was very impressed by the way he played therefore i cannot see anyway how the patriots will let him go...then again i thought that about branch, mcginist, viniteri, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Patriots won't resign Samuel, they won't fork over the money. He is gonna get a good deal, he is starting to become one of the elite cover corners, and damn it he deserves to get paid like one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Let's not forget if Deltha gets his #$@#@ together he's one of the best cover CB's in the game - he and Joseph could make for a great pair the next several years.Get a CB in the draft on day one if necessary. The Bengals' aren't in "final piece" mode like the Colts have been the last few years. I think they need to sign the best UFA LB on the market first, and a DT or DE.Marvin's shady drafts the last few years are what's killing him now. They have to use FA to catch back up, and spend some $, and make some tough decisions on guys like Smith - who should be cut loose IMO.BTW - I'm all for hoppin' on the Briggs train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I am on the Briggs train too. I just thought if the Bears franchise him, and we franchise Bach, we could do a straight up sign and trade deal, similar to the Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 There's Marvin, pre-explaining why they will be cheap. Fine. But it's bulls**t to call genuine talent overpriced. And anyone who watched Samuel remove Marvin Harrison from that game yesterday knows how big an impact he would have on the Bengals.You have absolutely NO IDEA what the hell you are talking about.To say that he would have a big impact on the Bengals based on yesterday's game or even this season, is just plain RETARDED. THE DUDE WAS NOTHING BEFORE THIS SEASON. His previous high was ONLY 3 INT's....BUT YET NOW HE IS IN A CONTRACT YEAR, AND HE OVER TRIPLES HIS CAREER HIGH FOR INTERCEPTIONS, KNOWING SOME FOOL WITH YOUR STYLE OF THINKING WILL PAY HIM THE $$$$$$He knows he has to play better than he ever has, or ever will again, now, because every team owner and their mother was watching that game.How many times do you have to see it happen before you understand? Average players giving everything they have and overacheiving in the final year of their contract, Sign a FAT deal, Then get exposed for what they were all along, An Average player who had 1 good year whichjust happened to be (surprise,surprise) in the final year of their previous contract. I GUARANTEE the guy wont even have half the INT's next year that he had this season.DONT BE BLINDED BY THE 10 INT'S----LOOK AT THE REST OF HIS STATS.....Assante Samuel Started 15 games----- 64 tackles and 14 passes defensed.........to compare, look at our ROOKIE JJ's statsJonathan Joseph started only 9 games, playing "nickel" the other games....he had 57 tackles...and hold on to your hat....20 passes defensed...friggin 20...thats HUGEby comparison, Tory(10 passes defensed) and Deltha(8) had 18 combined....JJ had 20 BY HIS DAMN SELFWho the hell needs Assante Samuel ?By the way JJ dropped some that should have been Int's...those are statistically counted as Passes Defensed, totaled with Int's, that tells you how many times a CB has made plays on the ball...JJ 20 passes defensed 0 Int's ...made 20 plays on the ball in only 9 startsSamuel 10 Int's/14 passes defensed= 24 plays on the ball in 15 startsNot bad for a Pot-Head Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Hey, and I mean this with all sincerity, f**k you.f**k you and everything about you.You don't know me. Stop yelling at me.I watch a LOT of football a**h***. A lot. I have seen Samuel progress to this point. If the Bengals got him (which they won't) I would put him at one corner and Joseph at the other (assuming he can find the corner through the bong haze). James is washed up, and ML clearly is furious with O'Neal. So it looks like we are, at the moment, in the market for a corner. And Samuel is about to round into the prime of what is going to be an outstanding career. The games this year have not been aberrations. The game against Harrison (by the way, do you have any memory at all of O'Neal trying to cover Harrison back in December? Because I do. And it looked a s**tload different than what Samuel just got done) was a fine example of that. If you don't think he's worth the money, fine. But please find a way to say that without coming off like a crack-smoking cock-sucking whore.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Spain the footballismo will speak. The running game is more Physical when Wthitworth is in the line up. We go to a zone blocking power running. While Bach can run the power O, as good as anyone. I dont see his pussh at the line, that whitworth has. Its clear he is not made for this O line. He will be in Atlanta or Denver. J. Smith if tagged works either way for us. He can stay or go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Hey, and I mean this with all sincerity, f**k you.f**k you and everything about you.You don't know me. Stop yelling at me.I watch a LOT of football a**h***. A lot. I have seen Samuel progress to this point. If the Bengals got him (which they won't) I would put him at one corner and Joseph at the other (assuming he can find the corner through the bong haze). James is washed up, and ML clearly is furious with O'Neal. So it looks like we are, at the moment, in the market for a corner. And Samuel is about to round into the prime of what is going to be an outstanding career. The games this year have not been aberrations. The game against Harrison (by the way, do you have any memory at all of O'Neal trying to cover Harrison back in December? Because I do. And it looked a s**tload different than what Samuel just got done) was a fine example of that. If you don't think he's worth the money, fine. But please find a way to say that without coming off like a crack-smoking cock-sucking whore.Thanks.You go mem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 He was a 4th rnd pick....so him turning it on his 4th year shoulden't be suprising and ints doesnt mean how good you are though it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delhole Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 DONT BE BLINDED BY THE 10 INT'S----LOOK AT THE REST OF HIS STATS.....Assante Samuel Started 15 games----- 64 tackles and 14 passes defensed.........to compare, look at our ROOKIE JJ's statsJonathan Joseph started only 9 games, playing "nickel" the other games....he had 57 tackles...and hold on to your hat....20 passes defensed...friggin 20...thats HUGEby comparison, Tory(10 passes defensed) and Deltha(8) had 18 combined....JJ had 20 BY HIS DAMN SELFWho the hell needs Assante Samuel ?By the way JJ dropped some that should have been Int's...those are statistically counted as Passes Defensed, totaled with Int's, that tells you how many times a CB has made plays on the ball...JJ 20 passes defensed 0 Int's ...made 20 plays on the ball in only 9 startsSamuel 10 Int's/14 passes defensed= 24 plays on the ball in 15 startsNot bad for a Pot-Head Huh?Ever think that possibly, and this is just some CRAZY idea I got in my head, New Englands secondary isn't the greatest in the league and Samuel is the only bright spot? So MAYBE QBs don't throw his way because there are so much weaker coverage areas to throw at so he dosn't get as many plays on the ball but in turn is doing his job by elimnating the other teams #1 WR aka the definition of a shut-down corner aka exactly what the bengals don't have and need? .............and as for Joseph, he's good, i like the guy, stop doing drugs, but it was his rookie season, of course he's going to be thrown at, it just so happens that he was a better than average rookie that made the plays he needed to. Now if he justs rubs some of that sticky icky he rolls around with on his hands before the games he should get atleast 5 INT's next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yeah, Joseph looks like he'll be a good one. How does that mean we shouldn't pursue Samuel or any other corner? Gotta field two of them, last I checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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