Trade Deltha O'Neal?

[schweinhart]

Patriots got 2 1st rounders in this year's draft and their coach Bill Bellichick has fared well with Bengals outcasts in Corey Dillon and Artrell Hawkins. Would he like another one in Deltha O'Neal?

For whatever reaseon, Marvin (no not Chuck Brez) decided O'Neal should not get the full-time play on the field during the crucial final drive toward the post-season. So was Mike Shanahanny right and now Marv gets to put the guy who was a Pro Bowler just the year before back into another doghouse? If that's the case, maybe the Bengals trade him now and their 2nd round pick to the Pats for the Pats 2nd 1st round pick.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Problem is, Bellichick gets to the playoffs and beyond with scrubs like Hawkins - he doesn't need O'Neal.

The Bengals' are too busy worrying about how they can over-pay their oft-injured, declining o-lineman, and overrated guys like Justin Smith.

Meanwhile Bellichick is on his way to possibly another SB with Dillon, Hawkins and a starting RT who was a 5th round pick last year I believe.

[Thurmanation]

Please trade Deltha's old ass, he WAS amazing at one point..not anymore, Joseph outplays him every game

[HoosierCat]

Problem is, Bellichick gets to the playoffs and beyond with scrubs like Hawkins - he doesn't need O'Neal.

Actually, he gets there in spite of bums like Artrell. I'm pretty sure it was Toast who got crisped on that 77-yard TD play.

But trade O'Neal? Okay-fine but who are you going to replace him with? Ratliff? Eeek. Some rookie first rounder? Liable to get burned as often as he makes plays in his first year. Madieu? Hobson suggested that recently, but then who's you other safety? K2 again? Kilmer? C'mon.

With James all but gone I think they have to try to salvage Deltha.

[AMC]

Problem is, Bellichick gets to the playoffs and beyond with scrubs like Hawkins - he doesn't need O'Neal.

Actually, he gets there in spite of bums like Artrell. I'm pretty sure it was Toast who got crisped on that 77-yard TD play.

But trade O'Neal? Okay-fine but who are you going to replace him with? Ratliff? Eeek. Some rookie first rounder? Liable to get burned as often as he makes plays in his first year. Madieu? Hobson suggested that recently, but then who's you other safety? K2 again? Kilmer? C'mon.

With James all but gone I think they have to try to salvage Deltha.

Agreed...Deltha and JJ on the corners, with Ratliff, Madieu and a high draft pick backing up. Given Madieu needs to stay at safety as much as possible.

BUT, Deltha must get his head on straight apparently....

Also, do they switch James to safety if they resign him? I am sure he still wants to play CB and would not go for that....

[HoosierCat]

Also, do they switch James to safety if they resign him?

Nah. Tab Perry to safety...right derek?

[schweinhart]

I'd like Deltha to be the starting strongside CB again. He's good enough.

Point is if Marv isn't gonna put his best corner on the field when it's all on the line...WTF?

Not sure if Deltha was on the field when Santonio Holmes got the quick hitter between Tory James and Brian Simmons, but it doesn't take a defensive genius to figure out that that's a ridiculous mismatch quickness wise. The Bengals keep their corners to sides rather than having them assigned to certain receivers so maybe that's one thing that should change.

All a washed out bridge now but seriously, if Marv didn't crutch on O'Neal down the stretch (granted O'Neal didn't quite get there on 2 short Indy TDs) then why expect him to be relied on for next year. How much more important was it to have O'Neal on the field at all times in the Bengals regular season collapse than it will be to have him playing come opening day?

If they're not going to play him, trade him.

[derekshank]

Also, do they switch James to safety if they resign him?

Nah. Tab Perry to safety...right derek?

Damn right! Well... do you think he could play safety and CB at the same time? We'd only need 10 players at a time then. You know... fewer players means fewer arrests.

[HairOnFire]

I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that trading Deltha O'Neal would not only bring the greatest return to the Bengals, but due to his contract status and level of play would likely generate the most trade interest. And on that last point...I'm talking about realistic trade interest. To put it bluntly, scenarios that begin with the Bengals trading Odell Thurman or Eric Steinbach aren't grounded in reality. Instead, I feel they're hatched by a fan's desire to get something for nothing.

The "Trade Deltha to the Patriots" scenario would probably be attractive for both teams if the Bengals are as ready to move on without O'Neal as rumored. Frankly, I've got serious doubts about that, but no matter. The Patriots could use a quality CB even if they retain Asante Samual, and are definately a team operating under the "Win Now" banner. Thus, it's reasonable to assume they might be interested.

That said, if I'm calling the shots for the Bengals I don't think I could bring myself to package Cincy's 2nd round pick with Deltha in exchange for the Patriots 1st round pick.

[HoosierCat]

Also, do they switch James to safety if they resign him?

Nah. Tab Perry to safety...right derek?

Damn right! Well... do you think he could play safety and CB at the same time? We'd only need 10 players at a time then. You know... fewer players means fewer arrests.

And fewer contracts, which means more money for Mikey! Maybe he'd even spring for a bubble then? It's a win-win-win!

[AMC]

Also, do they switch James to safety if they resign him?

Nah. Tab Perry to safety...right derek?

Damn right! Well... do you think he could play safety and CB at the same time? We'd only need 10 players at a time then. You know... fewer players means fewer arrests.

And fewer contracts, which means more money for Mikey! Maybe he'd even spring for a bubble then? It's a win-win-win!

It's all about da bubble....

[ShulaSteakhouse]

O'Neal is a great CB when he's working hard at it obviously. I don't know what his problem is - but if he doesn't like football and isn't commited, what can you do?

As HC said I'd certainly rather salvage things with him and have JJ replace Tory ultimately - that would be ideal.

The Bengals' sorely need lineman on both sides of the ball, as well as LB's. Hate to use another 1st round pick on a CB.

And yes they DO need a bubble - anyone who thinks otherwise is just being stubborn and stupid like Mikey.

[HairOnFire]

And yes they DO need a bubble - anyone who thinks otherwise is just being stubborn and stupid like Mikey.

How often did poor weather dictate the Bengals cancel practice this season?

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Yeah, that's what I thought.

BTW, the Bengals have been adamant about the cost of building a practice bubble is linked to legal costs associated with the plethora of lawsuits filed by local nutbar, Todd Portune. And on that front Portune has refused to drop his appeal.

Perhaps you guys should stop whining about Mike Brown and take a harder look at the pointless lawsuits the Bengals constantly fight against local politicians who rather obviously are consumed by buyers remorse and their desire to grandstand from a small stage.

[AMC]

And yes they DO need a bubble - anyone who thinks otherwise is just being stubborn and stupid like Mikey.

How often did poor weather dictate the Bengals cancel practice this season?

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Yeah, that's what I thought.

BTW, the Bengals have been adamant about the cost of building a practice bubble is linked to legal costs associated with the plethora of lawsuits filed by local nutbar, Todd Portune. And on that front Portune has refused to drop his appeal.

Perhaps you guys should stop whining about Mike Brown and take a harder look at the pointless lawsuits the Bengals constantly fight against local politicians who rather obviously are consumed by buyers remorse and their desire to grandstand from a small stage.

True that on Portune....That is one bitter man....

[ShulaSteakhouse]

So legal troubles are the cause of not spending $1-$2 million on a bubble? Cmon. It's called being cheap and stuck in the 50's. They could find a way to put one over that stupid astro turf practice field they never use (literally) that we paid for.

Also check Marvin's record in December for further proof (well under .500) - it's not about not being able to practice - but practice effectively and efficiently - if they want to practice in bad weather, they can do that any time they want.

I'm pretty sure now that the county has settled their last little dispute with the Bengals', that they are in the clear.

Defending Mike Brown is pointless also - I have 15 years of examples to provide you with his incompetence.

Whatch you got Hair? Uh, they hired Marvin Lewis! Anything else?

[HairOnFire]

So legal troubles are the cause of not spending $1-$2 million on a bubble? Cmon. It's called being cheap and stuck in the 50's. They could find a way to put one over that stupid astro turf practice field they never use (literally) that we paid for.

You call it being stuck in the 50's. The Bengals call it a bargaining chip that they're using as a potential way to get the appeal of a 300 million dollar lawsuit dropped. Do that and you free up money that has been set aside to pay the legal expenses incurred fighting a ridiculous lawsuit. And there's the rub, because the lawsuit has to be fought regardless of it's merit, and that means expensive lawyers have to paid.

As for being able to easily put a bubble over the existing practice field? Why would you want to cover a beautiful open air practice field that is conviently located...especially when the need for a covered practice facility exists only for a day or two every season?

I'm pretty sure now that the county has settled their last little dispute with the Bengals', that they are in the clear.

Do you never grow tired of being wrong? Todd Portune's lawsuit was dismissed, but he has repeatedly rejected all demands and suggestions that he drop his appeal. In addition, even as we speak he has ignored a settlement the Bengals reached with the IRS in regards to seat license revenue, and demanded the Bengals pay nearly 30 million dollars in additional rent.

[HoTbOy]

I don't know what is wrong with DO'Neal he looks nothing like the player that went to the PB last year...To me it look like he shyed away from contact this year...If we could get some value for him, I say trade him but i doubt if we get a #2...maybe he comes back to play when they cut TJames and he realizes he could be next...

[Kazkal]

mybe the rams would trade steven jackson for oneal + perry

[Spain]

Damn you guys are turn coats, Deltha is a probowl corner,

[Stripes]

Damn you guys are turn coats, Deltha is a probowl corner,

You flip flop on Rudi on a weekly basis!

[schweinhart]

Damn you guys are turn coats, Deltha is a probowl corner,

Exactly....so why wasn't he on the field all the time down the playoff stretch when it was most important? I didn't realize Marv had a doghouse and given the players he's got he should really have a kennel if that's how he wants to play it.

If Marvin does not intend to play O'Neal when it's most important, what expectation is there that he plays him next year? Does O'Neal have to work his way out of the doghouse in offseason? I mean really WTF.

If O'Neal is not in their plans for next year, then trade him while he's got value. All the Donkeys got for him was moving up 7 spots in the 1st round and they also gave up a 4th round pick that turned out to be Jumpy Jr. in the O'Neal trade.