Bengals/Steelers Game Thread

[schweinhart]

This wasn't the defense's fault. They played well enough to win. This is 100% on the offense and special teams. With all the money we spend on O, how can we score just 17 points? Palmer was awful for much of the game, the run game never got going, and the o-line had, what, 5 or 6 false starts? IN WEEK 17?? WTF???

No, the D did fine. If any coach deserves the boot it's Brat.

Even though I'd like to see better perseonnel on D, I agree...Pin this loss on the offense and not Tory James, Shayne Graham or anybody else than Carson Palmer really since he is the head of the snake. I'd say it has less to do with Brat than years past but by all means replace him. I believe the fired head coach at Arizona State? might be a frontrunner if the front office looks for a scapegoat to this season other than Palmer and Marvin.

[jonf45uk]

why can't we cut it when it counts??

absolutely pathetic. you wouldn't believe a playoff place was on the line the past few weeks.

when are our "superstars" going to stand up and be counted?

[bwillycuse]

i guarantee you the 49ers win

maybe not - they just failed on a 4th down conversion on their own 30

[CBin2k7]

Bresnahan you better not have a job next year - Your D is crap

Choke Job - Same old Same old

This wasn't the defense's fault. They played well enough to win. This is 100% on the offense and special teams. With all the money we spend on O, how can we score just 17 points? Palmer was awful for much of the game, the run game never got going, and the o-line had, what, 5 or 6 false starts? IN WEEK 17?? WTF???

No, the D did fine. If any coach deserves the boot it's Brat.

The D should get as much blame for this loss as the offense and the special teams. 2 times in this game the offense gave them the lead in the 4th quarter, and twice the defense got shredded on the ensuing drive giving up EASY scores both times. They didn't show up in the OT, and if it wasn't for the Stealers mistakes on offense, they would have scored alot more points. They seem to play well when the offense doesn't play well, but when the offense shows up the D dissapears.

[tc81190]

Not sure how much more wide open Palmer needs a WR to be over the middle like Henry was on 3rd and 10 or how many days he needs to throw the ball, but that throw was pretty much typical of how many open receivers he's missed all year and especially in the last quarter of the season.

Bench him now.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

The 1st Bengal to go for 4,000 yds. .

I don't mean to be harsh, but please, for the love of god, shut the HELL up, and stop making yourself look like a total jackass. He's a pro bowl QB. Why in the ****ing hell would you bench a pro-bowl, 4000 yd QB?

EDIT: I do assume when you say bench, you mean "bench him then draft a new starting QB and trade him".

[schweinhart]

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

[Whur CHad At?]

WHY THE HELL IS TORY JAMES COVERING ANYONE, WHY WHY WHY!?

[membengal]

schweinhart has lost all credibility with that line of thought. All.

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

You've lost your motherf**king mind. Seriously.

[HoosierCat]

Bresnahan you better not have a job next year - Your D is crap

Choke Job - Same old Same old

This wasn't the defense's fault. They played well enough to win. This is 100% on the offense and special teams. With all the money we spend on O, how can we score just 17 points? Palmer was awful for much of the game, the run game never got going, and the o-line had, what, 5 or 6 false starts? IN WEEK 17?? WTF???

No, the D did fine. If any coach deserves the boot it's Brat.

The D should get as much blame for this loss as the offense and the special teams. 2 times in this game the offense gave them the lead in the 4th quarter, and twice the defense got shredded on the ensuing drive giving up EASY scores both times. They didn't show up in the OT, and if it wasn't for the Stealers mistakes on offense, they would have scored alot more points. They seem to play well when the offense doesn't play well, but when the offense shows up the D dissapears.

You know, I'm just not going to bother arguing any longer. I think it was Hair who said a few weeks back "that we like the players we like" or something to that effect, and I think it's clear that "we like the unit we like" is true as well. Everone loves Carson, Chad, TJ, Rudi...so they can do no wrong. Even when they go out and stink it up all day, like they pretty much did today. Somehow, it's the fault of a D that we spend no money and few high draft picks on, not the fault of an offense that features a $100 million QB and $25-30 million WRs and RBs and an o-line we just threw enough money to choke a horse at last offseason. Somehow, when all they can manage is 17 lousy points and 295 net yards...yeah, it's the D's fault.

Whatever.

[CBin2k7]

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

Sure Carson, didn't have the greatest season, but he was pretty good for most of it. He made some crap throws this year, and some poor decisions...but no more than any other QB does, and he was sacked an insane amount of times this year and hit hard probably more times this year than any QB in the league.

Add to that, the Bengals inability to maintain a consistent running game, and the lack of a threat to pop anything more than a 10 yard run. I will not dump on Carson, the whole entire team seemed less than motivated and not eager in proper execution this season.

[Stripes]

Carson had an excellent season as a passer. I don't see how that can be argued. He'll be in the Pro Bowl, and his numbers very much reflect a good season. He fumbled way too frequently, but that doesn't sound like too difficult a fix to me.

[Spor_tees]

Bresnahan you better not have a job next year - Your D is crap

Choke Job - Same old Same old

This wasn't the defense's fault. They played well enough to win. This is 100% on the offense and special teams. With all the money we spend on O, how can we score just 17 points? Palmer was awful for much of the game, the run game never got going, and the o-line had, what, 5 or 6 false starts? IN WEEK 17?? WTF???

No, the D did fine. If any coach deserves the boot it's Brat.

The D should get as much blame for this loss as the offense and the special teams. 2 times in this game the offense gave them the lead in the 4th quarter, and twice the defense got shredded on the ensuing drive giving up EASY scores both times. They didn't show up in the OT, and if it wasn't for the Stealers mistakes on offense, they would have scored alot more points. They seem to play well when the offense doesn't play well, but when the offense shows up the D dissapears.

You know, I'm just not going to bother arguing any longer. I think it was Hair who said a few weeks back "that we like the players we like" or something to that effect, and I think it's clear that "we like the unit we like" is true as well. Everone loves Carson, Chad, TJ, Rudi...so they can do no wrong. Even when they go out and stink it up all day, like they pretty much did today. Somehow, it's the fault of a D that we spend no money and few high draft picks on, not the fault of an offense that features a $100 million QB and $25-30 million WRs and RBs and an o-line we just threw enough money to choke a horse at last offseason. Somehow, when all they can manage is 17 lousy points and 295 net yards...yeah, it's the D's fault.

Whatever.

No High draft picks on? Of the players who start, there are prolly only 2 guys that were drafted later than round 3. I guarantee there are far more defenses that are better than the Bengals with more guys that were free agents or lower drafts picks

Smith was a first rounder

Joseph was a first rounder

Miller was a third rounder

Geathers was a third rounder

Landon was a second rounder

Simmons was a first rounder

Sam Adams was a first rounder

Madieu was a second rounder

Not sure about Deltha or Tory....but both have been Pro Bowlers

[tc81190]

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

Now you're being a dick. Shut your f**king mouth, you stupid motherf**king piece of s**t. He had a f**king knee injury, but also 4,000 team-record yards. And that isn't enough for you? Shut the f**k up and go the f**k away, you no-nothing worthless piece of s**t.

[schweinhart]

Not sure how much more wide open Palmer needs a WR to be over the middle like Henry was on 3rd and 10 or how many days he needs to throw the ball, but that throw was pretty much typical of how many open receivers he's missed all year and especially in the last quarter of the season.

Bench him now.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

The 1st Bengal to go for 4,000 yds. .

I don't mean to be harsh, but please, for the love of god, shut the HELL up, and stop making yourself look like a total jackass. He's a pro bowl QB. Why in the ****ing hell would you bench a pro-bowl, 4000 yd QB?

EDIT: I do assume when you say bench, you mean "bench him then draft a new starting QB and trade him".

Why not bench him during this game when he's mustered a grand total of 3 whole points and looks like he's headed for nothing more? Give all the credit to Chris Henry for getting open w/o a defender around him for 10 yards on the long TD....and lesser credit to Palmer for being able to hit the broad side of a barn for once. Give Henry credit again for fighting for the ball on the long ball at the end. When there's 3 WRs as good as the 3 the Bengals got, maybe Anthony Wright could've put up more than a whopping 17 points in this win or a whopping 13 vs. the Mighty Tampa Bay Buccaneers or 16 against the Most Dreaded Defense in All of the NFL --- yes the Indianapolis Colts. And how about 13 vs. the Pats and another highly impressive showing of 13....and another 17 and a 20 and a 23 and a....well unless you're the idiot that it sounds like you are, what happened throughout the season may be slowly coming back to you.

[CBin2k7]

Bresnahan you better not have a job next year - Your D is crap

Choke Job - Same old Same old

This wasn't the defense's fault. They played well enough to win. This is 100% on the offense and special teams. With all the money we spend on O, how can we score just 17 points? Palmer was awful for much of the game, the run game never got going, and the o-line had, what, 5 or 6 false starts? IN WEEK 17?? WTF???

No, the D did fine. If any coach deserves the boot it's Brat.

The D should get as much blame for this loss as the offense and the special teams. 2 times in this game the offense gave them the lead in the 4th quarter, and twice the defense got shredded on the ensuing drive giving up EASY scores both times. They didn't show up in the OT, and if it wasn't for the Stealers mistakes on offense, they would have scored alot more points. They seem to play well when the offense doesn't play well, but when the offense shows up the D dissapears.

You know, I'm just not going to bother arguing any longer. I think it was Hair who said a few weeks back "that we like the players we like" or something to that effect, and I think it's clear that "we like the unit we like" is true as well. Everone loves Carson, Chad, TJ, Rudi...so they can do no wrong. Even when they go out and stink it up all day, like they pretty much did today. Somehow, it's the fault of a D that we spend no money and few high draft picks on, not the fault of an offense that features a $100 million QB and $25-30 million WRs and RBs and an o-line we just threw enough money to choke a horse at last offseason. Somehow, when all they can manage is 17 lousy points and 295 net yards...yeah, it's the D's fault.

Whatever.

Dude, I am not defending the offense, but to say the defense is blameless is crazy. They gave up nearly 500 yards of offense. Over 200 yards rushing. Ben was 19-28 for 280. They gave up the lead 2 times in the fourth quarter. The Defense had just as big of fault in this loss as the offense and special teams.

[membengal]

schweihart, step away from the keyboard. You seriously thought that Anthony Wright was a better option? Seriously? You're drunk. Have to be.

I guess we will ignore the two 4th quarter drives that Carson led to give them the lead. Or the drive that had them to where they should have won. Or the drive last week that should have tied it. Or maybe it's Carson's fault that the gameplan in Indy had him with all of eight (EIGHT!) throws at halftime in that game (I still marvel over that). I missed the part where he was missing tackles against SD, while leading the Bengals to 41 points. Or maybe I missed that he led them back against Baltimore on the road, in a game where his teammates spotted the Ravens a 14 point lead. Or that he put together one of the best passing seasons in Bengals history coming off of a catestrophic knee injury. Seriously, you really must be drunk right now.

Of all the posters that I presumed would send me to a self-imposed moratorium from the board while drivel gets spewed, you would have been last on the list of people I would have suspected...

[Whur CHad At?]

Not sure how much more wide open Palmer needs a WR to be over the middle like Henry was on 3rd and 10 or how many days he needs to throw the ball, but that throw was pretty much typical of how many open receivers he's missed all year and especially in the last quarter of the season.

Bench him now.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

The 1st Bengal to go for 4,000 yds. .

I don't mean to be harsh, but please, for the love of god, shut the HELL up, and stop making yourself look like a total jackass. He's a pro bowl QB. Why in the ****ing hell would you bench a pro-bowl, 4000 yd QB?

EDIT: I do assume when you say bench, you mean "bench him then draft a new starting QB and trade him".

Why not bench him during this game when he's mustered a grand total of 3 whole points and looks like he's headed for nothing more? Give all the credit to Chris Henry for getting open w/o a defender around him for 10 yards on the long TD....and lesser credit to Palmer for being able to hit the broad side of a barn for once. Give Henry credit again for fighting for the ball on the long ball at the end. When there's 3 WRs as good as the 3 the Bengals got, maybe Anthony Wright could've put up more than a whopping 17 points in this win or a whopping 13 vs. the Mighty Tampa Bay Buccaneers or 16 against the Most Dreaded Defense in All of the NFL --- yes the Indianapolis Colts. And how about 13 vs. the Pats and another highly impressive showing of 13....and another 17 and a 20 and a 23 and a....well unless you're the idiot that it sounds like you are, what happened throughout the season may be slowly coming back to you.

Your dumb dude, just dumb. That is the dumbest crap I have ever ever ever heard. You never bench your Franchise QB, never ever ever

[schweinhart]

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

Now you're being a dick. Shut your f**king mouth, you stupid motherf**king piece of s**t. He had a f**king knee injury, but also 4,000 team-record yards. And that isn't enough for you? Shut the f**k up and go the f**k away, you no-nothing worthless piece of s**t.

Wow....it's Alfred Inesteen back from the dead. Maybe you missed...oh what was it when...let's see way back when when the Bengals went up to (where was it?) oh yes...Baltimore... and I believe it was Carson Palmer who overthrown somebody wide open and it got picked off a run back for a TD. Or how about...oh when was it...Palmer had maybe Housh wide open in the end zone on a short throw and overthrew it to I'm guessing was a Denver Bronco.

No, the stats are stats and they never tell the whole story about how a player performs. This year compared to last year, Carson Palmer might have well been Jon Kitna. The way he threw the ball this year was just off. The way he read defenses was too often wrong. The decisions he made with the ball were too consistently bad. And the fumbles he had were ridiculous.

Pro Bowl or not, pin the Bengals not getting into the playoffs this year right on number #9.

[Whur CHad At?]

I pin it on coaching, Carson did what he could do. The guy almost had his career ended last year. He did a hell of a job this year, he messed up a little, but did a helluva job.

[Stripes]

Pro Bowl or not, pin the Bengals not getting into the playoffs this year right on number #9.

Without #9, we'd have finshed 3-13.

[membengal]

Well done schweinhart, that is some of the most retarded s**te I have ever read on here. That's saying something...

[Spor_tees]

John Kitna threw for over 4000 yards for the Lions this year!

[schweinhart]

schweinhart has lost all credibility with that line of thought. All.

They have to live or die with Palmer but based on this year, it'll be die until he can regain whatever he's lost

Um, he DID throw for 4000 yards this year. A Bengals record. Coming off a catestrophic knee injury. Um...

Ummmmmmm....maybe you don''t get to see the games. Or maybe even noticed the great and grand glorious point totals that don't correlate to the bloated stats like 13, 13, 13, 17, 17, 20, 23 etc. Maybe you missed some of that.

But definite credit goes to him for showing up for work. Hopefully the work is considerably more productive next year.

You've lost your motherf**king mind. Seriously.

Have you watched the games? Seriously.

Unless a team has just got a flat out shut down D, W's and L's land right on the back of the QB. Palmer failed to deliver W's this year...pure and simple. Lots of times he sure didn't get much help but he had enough opps all by his lonesome to be the difference in I'd say 4 of these losses.

Now if folks want to banter about 4,000 yards in a year, maybe take pause on that one because that ain;t necessarily a good thing if the basis for success on the field is a win rather than a loss.

[tc81190]

Well done schweinhart, that is some of the most retarded s**te I have ever read on here. That's saying something...

[Stripes]

Unless a team has just got a flat out shut down D, W's and L's land right on the back of the QB. Palmer failed to deliver W's this year...pure and simple. Lots of times he sure didn't get much help but he had enough opps all by his lonesome to be the difference in I'd say 4 of these losses.

Now if folks want to banter about 4,000 yards in a year, maybe take pause on that one because that ain;t necessarily a good thing if the basis for success on the field is a win rather than a loss.

I'm not going to join the bash-fest, Schweinhart, you've proven you know your s**t. Still, I just can't understand your argument here. Palmer had opportunities all by his lonesome to win us those games? How is that? How did he have that opportunity anymore than the defense had an opportunity to make a stop, or a receiver to hold onto a pass, or a coach to get his head out of his anal cavity?