CHRIS PERRY'S TIME

[schnarfer]

Our offense is better suited for an Edrin james/ Brian westbrooks offense. Chris Perry brings that extra home run gear. If he is healthy I believe he will eventually be our featured back and Rudi will be our in the trench runner.

[.coltrane]

No. Simply put, no.

Chris is the perfect compliment back for this offense. He can come in and run effectivly and catch the ball successfully out of the backfield, without pointing to a pass play. That said, Rudi is the guy.

Rudi Is a tough, downhill runnr that keeps this offense from turning into Philadelphia and throwing the ball seventy percent of the time. When the offensive line is executing, Rudi can go on streaks where he can rip off 5 or 6 8 to 10 yard gains in a row. Rudi delivers the blow when running the ball, something our offense needs.

[CBin2k7]

Just like T.J. Houshmanzadeh says, Chris Perry is our answer to Reggie Bush. There are so many different ways they can use Perry and Rudi together, and Perry is a great addition to the 3rd down and red zone offense. I can't wait until Sunday.

[Kazkal]

we need him but not to replace rudi,running the ball chris is just gonna be as bad with 11 defenders in the back field.

[Ox]

Yeah how about dude stay healthy for a season before he's our featured back.

[buck3y3d]

Have you seen the o-line. It doesn't matter who we have in the backfield or how fast he is.

[bengalboomer7]

Yup, Sunday night after a loss. The sky is falling

[derekshank]

The mods better delete this thread before Hair sees it Monday morning. What a rant that is going to be.

[Kazkal]

lol.

I'm glad were getting perry back then henry in a week we need em both.

[Stripes]

Rudi is fine. The offensive line is not.

Can Perry play center?

[Kazkal]

play better then guycheck lol.

[jditty47]

perry can make our line look good again.

[BengalPimp]

Rudi is a little better between the tackles, however if they are not opening up holes for him to run through, he doesnt have the speed to get outside fast enough and you get what we had in the first half vs. Tampa....7 carries for 3 yards. Rudi is still the man, but Perry can get outside in a hurry and make defenders miss. Lets not forget Chris Perry isnt a speed back, like Bush, or Westbrook......He is a complete back...great hands , quick, and POWERFULL (something that people tend to forget) He can get the "tough" yards, but has breakaway speed(4.6 yards per carry last season). The guy was a horse at Michigan, and he can carry the ball 20-25 times a game, whereas the others (Bush,Westbrook) cant. I'm Hoping he got all of his injuries out of the way, AND EVEN MORE THAN THAT, I'M HOPING HIS SKILLS AND TALENT ARENT WASTED BY THE UNIMAGINATIVE BRATKOWSKI AND HIS HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL PLAYCALLING.

ALSO, PERRY WAS ALWAYS HEALTHY IN COLLEGE, AND HASNT HAD ANY MAJOR INJURIES SO FAR, SO I THINK WE'LL SEE A DIFFERENT CHRIS PERRY....I HATE TO MAKE THIS COMPARISON, BUT WHEN ARIZONA DRAFTED GARRISON HEARST HE COULDNT STAY HEALTHY HIS FIRST 3 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE, AFTER THAT HE WAS A DURABLE 1500 YARD RUSHER/MULTIPLE TIME PRO-BOWLER IN SAN FRANCISCO. SO PLAYERS DO KICK THE INJURY BUG.

[walzav29]

It's the offensive line. They are beat up and they suck. I thought they had depth, they don't. I'm am depressed and the only cure is beating the Panthers. If we lose that game that will be 3 straight and the sky will have officially fallen. I hate this sport, I hate the refs, I hate the cover 2! Excuse me now because I have to get verbally raped on the Steelers message board.

[schweinhart]

The return of Chris Perry is a timely one, whether K-Dub can go or not because he gives the Bengals a better 3rd and 4th WR option than Chatman deep or K-Dub on middle routes. But they got to use him right. Back into the preseason and into the regular w/o Perry, the Bengals have used a split backfield quite a bit on passing situations. Using Perry for leaks into the flats or putting him into motion gives the Bengals a mismatch advantage because the best asset of Perry is the separation he gets running routes.

But to put him into a single-back set vs. anything other than prevent is a waste because a 3rd down back in that set has to blitz block. Perry can not block anywhere near as effectively as Watson in that capacity. And for all the fanfare about Perry and his flash-in-the-pan speed, Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running RB and the better receiver production wise. Don't mean Watson won't go straight to the bench when SUPERSTAR comes back but one of the biggest missed opportunities so far this year from a playcalling and Palmer decision making standpoint has been the failure of the Bengals to utilize Watson's skills more.

As for Perry being the feature back, not a snowball's chance in hell unless Rudi goes down and even then depending on how the roster pans out, that could end up being Quincy Wilson. And vs. 3-4 defenses, Watson would be a much better starting choice than Perry ever would be in any event.

[Tasher]

Right now, any fresh meat is good. We sure need the energy!

[BengalPimp]

But to put him into a single-back set vs. anything other than prevent is a waste because a 3rd down back in that set has to blitz block. Perry can not block anywhere near as effectively as Watson in that capacity. And for all the fanfare about Perry and his flash-in-the-pan speed, Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running RB and the better receiver production wise. Don't mean Watson won't go straight to the bench when SUPERSTAR comes back but one of the biggest missed opportunities so far this year from a playcalling and Palmer decision making standpoint has been the failure of the Bengals to utilize Watson's skills more.

Ah, I get it...you must be related to Kenny Watson......otherwise, How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....Oh, I know, he must have had 51 catches last year..NOPE that was Perry....oh, i know, he led the team in receptions twice last year(3 times if you count the playoff game) vs. GB,Tenn, and Pitt....NOPE...that was Perry. If the Bengals use Perry primarily in a 3rd down role, and he been innactive thus far, shouldnt Watson have Better numbers? or at least even comparable? since he essentially is taking perry's place? ANSWER---NO--Watson = 7 receptions in 5 games with 4 of those 7 coming yesterday.

But to put him into a single-back set vs. anything other than prevent is a waste because a 3rd down back in that set has to blitz block. Perry can not block anywhere near as effectively as Watson in that capacity. And for all the fanfare about Perry and his flash-in-the-pan speed, Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running RB and the better receiver production wise. Don't mean Watson won't go straight to the bench when SUPERSTAR comes back but one of the biggest missed opportunities so far this year from a playcalling and Palmer decision making standpoint has been the failure of the Bengals to utilize Watson's skills more.

Ah, I get it...you must be related to Kenny Watson......otherwise, How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....Oh, I know, he must have had 51 catches last year..NOPE that was Perry....oh, i know, he led the team in receptions twice last year(3 times if you count the playoff game) vs. GB,Tenn, and Pitt....NOPE...that was Perry. If the Bengals use Perry primarily in a 3rd down role, and he been innactive thus far, shouldnt Watson have Better numbers? or at least even comparable? since he essentially is taking perry's place? ANSWER---NO--Watson = 7 receptions in 5 games with 4 of those 7 coming yesterday.

Oh Yeah, and lets not forget those 2 long TD catch/runs that were called back because of penalties that were away from the play.

[bengalboomer7]

Why are we even arguing this. I'll let the thread go a little while longer for dialogue, but this is ridiculous

[HoosierCat]

Yup, Sunday night after a loss. The sky is falling

I don't think it's accurate to say the sky "is falling." "Has fallen" is more like it. At least for the moment.

This team is dead in the water right now, stalled by a combination of injuries, suspensions, and lack of talent on the offense. Losing Henry has hurt worse than I ever could have imagined. Chris Perry has been out and Watson, while a good player, hasn't filled that hole. Tab Perry and Antonio Chatman, both of whom were supposed to fill the small but important hole created by the departure of Kevin Walter, haven't been able to stay and/or get on the field. Matt Schobel wasn't replaced. The upshot of all that is that when Chad and Housh are covered downfield, Carson has no one he can throw to who is a real threat as a receiver.

Meanwhile, Carson himself just doesn't look right. He appears to have regressed, both mechanically and mentally. The knee may be good enough to play on, but the bottom line is that he isn't 100% by a ways.

And most importantly, the o-line is simply crumbling before our eyes. First Braham, now Levi. Their replacements are Bluto, a fourth round pick, and Whitworth, who everyone but the Bengals appeared to believe was not a fit at LT in the NFL. As might be expected, this is leading to penalties and sacks -- and has almost completely shut down the running game.

Getting C. Perry back will help. Getting Henry back week after next will help even more. And if they will quit effing around with the o-line and just pick a lineup and stick to it, we can have a reasonable hope that they will develop some semblance of rythym down the road.

But that's game 6 before Perry returns. Game 7 before Henry returns. Game...well, who knows, 8? 9? 10?...before the o-line gets it together (or at least Levi gets back). And the big question is, how far in the hole will they get before the offense can start making some headway again?

[schweinhart]

How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....

With a little effort, you could prove the same.....For hopefully the last time, here we go again.

Kenny Watson 149-751 5.0 ypc

Chris Perry 61-280 4.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has rushed for more yards at a greater yard per carry average.

Kenny Watson 64-475 7.4 ypc

Chris Perry 54-361 6.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has caught more with a better ypc average, plus he's actually got a 62-yard TD catch that wasn't called back by penalty.

And here's one bonus with Watson:

Kenny Watson 52-1,047.

Chris Perry 0-0

Wanna guess what that one is? Try kickoff returns.

Here's another interesting stat:

Watson: 265 touches and 1 fumble lost (although that 1 lost fumble stil pi$$es me off).

Now if they had a stat for sawed-off blitzing LBs by a 3rd-down back, I'm sure you'd find the most considerable career difference between Watson and Perry right there.

And if they keep a stat for running success vs. 3-4 teams and 3-man front D's like the 46, I'm sure there'd be yet another discrepancy.

And I'll buy that Chris Perry is the Bengals version of Reggie Bush as soon as I see SUPERSTAR return a 65-yd game-winning TD punt. But Perry does force teams into mismatches because of his ability to separate on routes as a receiver, which is the strength that the Bengals offensive gameplan should exploit again this year.

So the Chris SUPERSTAR Perry posters with the scratch-n-sniff crotch may be selling like hotcakes among those dazzled by flashes in the pan, but I'll pass.....again.....for the 40th time it seems.....including on draft day when he should have gone in the 3rd and not the 1st IMHO.

[bengalboomer7]

Yup, Sunday night after a loss. The sky is falling

I don't think it's accurate to say the sky "is falling." "Has fallen" is more like it. At least for the moment.

This team is dead in the water right now, stalled by a combination of injuries, suspensions, and lack of talent on the offense. Losing Henry has hurt worse than I ever could have imagined. Chris Perry has been out and Watson, while a good player, hasn't filled that hole. Tab Perry and Antonio Chatman, both of whom were supposed to fill the small but important hole created by the departure of Kevin Walter, haven't been able to stay and/or get on the field. Matt Schobel wasn't replaced. The upshot of all that is that when Chad and Housh are covered downfield, Carson has no one he can throw to who is a real threat as a receiver.

Meanwhile, Carson himself just doesn't look right. He appears to have regressed, both mechanically and mentally. The knee may be good enough to play on, but the bottom line is that he isn't 100% by a ways.

And most importantly, the o-line is simply crumbling before our eyes. First Braham, now Levi. Their replacements are Bluto, a fourth round pick, and Whitworth, who everyone but the Bengals appeared to believe was not a fit at LT in the NFL. As might be expected, this is leading to penalties and sacks -- and has almost completely shut down the running game.

Getting C. Perry back will help. Getting Henry back week after next will help even more. And if they will quit effing around with the o-line and just pick a lineup and stick to it, we can have a reasonable hope that they will develop some semblance of rythym down the road.

But that's game 6 before Perry returns. Game 7 before Henry returns. Game...well, who knows, 8? 9? 10?...before the o-line gets it together (or at least Levi gets back). And the big question is, how far in the hole will they get before the offense can start making some headway again?

Agreed on all points, but is any of that a reason to start Chris Perry? No, it isn't

[HoosierCat]

Agreed on all points, but is any of that a reason to start Chris Perry? No, it isn't

I can make an argument for it. Rudi may be better than Perry on the ground, but right now that's immaterial because there's no room to run, thanks to the depleted o-line. So, given that Perry is more of a theat as a receiver, and given that Carson currently needs all the receiving talent he can get, getting Perry out there as much as possible makes sense.

Hopefully once Henry gets back the downfield passing game opens back up, which in turn should create more running room, in which case they go back to pounding away with Rudi. But for the upcoming Carolina game, yeah, I would like to see a heavy dose of Chris Perry.

[bengalboomer7]

Sure you can make an argument. A good argument, I don't think so. We do need his recieving skills, and since it was brought up, he should at least be practicing returning punts, but supplanting Rudi as the starter, PUULEEESE!

[BengalPimp]

How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....

With a little effort, you could prove the same.....For hopefully the last time, here we go again.

Kenny Watson 149-751 5.0 ypc

Chris Perry 61-280 4.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has rushed for more yards at a greater yard per carry average.

Kenny Watson 64-475 7.4 ypc

Chris Perry 54-361 6.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has caught more with a better ypc average, plus he's actually got a 62-yard TD catch that wasn't called back by penalty.

And here's one bonus with Watson:

Kenny Watson 52-1,047.

Chris Perry 0-0

Wanna guess what that one is? Try kickoff returns.

Here's another interesting stat:

Watson: 265 touches and 1 fumble lost (although that 1 lost fumble stil pi$$es me off).

Now if they had a stat for sawed-off blitzing LBs by a 3rd-down back, I'm sure you'd find the most considerable career difference between Watson and Perry right there.

Youre talking about Watson's career stats, over what 5/6 years? compared to Perry's last season+what? 2 games from the year before? MY POINT IS....we know what Perry does...But what has Watson done for the Bengals? most of his yardage stats arent for US. He has not stepped up, to help at all this year, as evidenced by his 7 catches in 5 games.(with only 3 receptions in the first 4 games) and 7 carries(in 5 games) for 56 yards...with the exception of his 8 yrd TD run the rest were pretty much garbage as i recall on several occasions the Bengals having 3rd and 15...3rd and 20...the defenses playing back in coverage(naturally) and they hand off to watson who gets 10 or so cuz everyone is playing back to prevent 1st down, and the only reason they did is just to give Larson some room to punt.

Rudi is and SHOULD Always be the starter......but Perry MUST get at least 10-15 touches a game....receiving and rushing

[bengalboomer7]

How can you possibly justify your statement that "Watson has proven over the course of his career so far that he is the better running back and receiver production wise"....WHAT CAREER? WHAT HAS HE DONE?.....

With a little effort, you could prove the same.....For hopefully the last time, here we go again.

Kenny Watson 149-751 5.0 ypc

Chris Perry 61-280 4.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has rushed for more yards at a greater yard per carry average.

Kenny Watson 64-475 7.4 ypc

Chris Perry 54-361 6.4 ypc

Notice the differences? Watson has caught more with a better ypc average, plus he's actually got a 62-yard TD catch that wasn't called back by penalty.

And here's one bonus with Watson:

Kenny Watson 52-1,047.

Chris Perry 0-0

Wanna guess what that one is? Try kickoff returns.

Here's another interesting stat:

Watson: 265 touches and 1 fumble lost (although that 1 lost fumble stil pi$$es me off).

Now if they had a stat for sawed-off blitzing LBs by a 3rd-down back, I'm sure you'd find the most considerable career difference between Watson and Perry right there.

Youre talking about Watson's career stats, over what 5/6 years? compared to Perry's last season+what? 2 games from the year before? MY POINT IS....we know what Perry does...But what has Watson done for the Bengals? most of his yardage stats arent for US. He has not stepped up, to help at all this year, as evidenced by his 7 catches in 5 games.(with only 3 receptions in the first 4 games) and 7 carries(in 5 games) for 56 yards...with the exception of his 8 yrd TD run the rest were pretty much garbage as i recall on several occasions the Bengals having 3rd and 15...3rd and 20...the defenses playing back in coverage(naturally) and they hand off to watson who gets 10 or so cuz everyone is playing back to prevent 1st down, and the only reason they did is just to give Larson some room to punt.

Rudi is and SHOULD Always be the starter......but Perry MUST get at least 10-15 touches a game....receiving and rushing

YOUR POINT IS......WRONG. We dont' know what Perry can do over the long haul because it's never happened. And the reason Watson doesn't have many stats is because of oline struggles he's staying in to protect and block, which by the way, he is fantastic at. Perry WILL be our back up RB when he returns, but Watson is a good solid veteran