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In a recent article on Bengals.com it may be giving a clue on what is being worked on in the bye.

In the article it says.........

"As speculation swirls that Braham’s deep bruise could keep him out until late in the season and the Bengals will use the bye week to move left guard Eric Steinbach to center and replace Eric Ghiaciuc after his third NFL start, Alexander tries to put his finger on it. "

All I can say is that I hope the speculation is correct.

Ghiaciuc sucks,he is to the C position what Melvin Tuten was to the OT position.

His sorry play is startring to effect everything the team does,even the defense.By letting Carson get sacked it puts the D back on the field and pretty soon they get worn out, especially Sam Adams.

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http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5566

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In a recent article on Bengals.com it may be giving a clue on what is being worked on in the bye.

In the article it says.........

"As speculation swirls that Braham’s deep bruise could keep him out until late in the season and the Bengals will use the bye week to move left guard Eric Steinbach to center and replace Eric Ghiaciuc after his third NFL start, Alexander tries to put his finger on it. "

All I can say is that I hope the speculation is correct.

Ghiaciuc sucks,he is to the C position what Melvin Tuten was to the OT position.

His sorry play is startring to effect everything the team does,even the defense.By letting Carson get sacked it puts the D back on the field and pretty soon they get worn out, especially Sam Adams.

For the rest of the article.....

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5566

Oh for chrissakes, you cannot put the entire failure of this team on one guy. So when a DE speed rushes old Willie, that's the center's fault. When a LB overpursues, that's the center's fault. When Tory gets toasted, that's the center's fault. Gimme a break.

Like it or not, this team has shown some serious problems. As has been pointed out, they don't have a decent checkdown option. Yes, even Schobel would be better than Reggie Kelley, and not having a pass catcher in the backfield hurts. So it's probably the center's fault they didn't draft a TE like they needed to do. Sam Adams didn't report to camp in shape and it's hampering his play. That's probably the center's fault too. Tory James is old and slow, and that's the center's fault as well.

I'm not saying Guchuck is great, but let's blame him for the things that are solely his fault, OK?

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How many years has Brahm been playing center? Did you know that he was CONVERTED to center and absolutely SUCKED at it initially?

We have one of the most complex offensive schemes in the NFL. Ghiaciuc has started all of 3 games in his CAREER and is in his SECOND year. Give him some slack.

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How many years has Brahm been playing center? Did you know that he was CONVERTED to center and absolutely SUCKED at it initially?

We have one of the most complex offensive schemes in the NFL. Ghiaciuc has started all of 3 games in his CAREER and is in his SECOND year. Give him some slack.

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I don't have trouble cutting him some slack. I still haven't given up hope that he could eventually be a good starting center. The problem is... we need to win NOW. We don't have the luxury of letting him learn on the job... because we have one of the toughest schedules in the NFL. If the O-Line plays like it did against Pitt and NE, we won't make the playoffs.

Ghiaciuc is at least part of the problem. I'm not saying that there haven't been other problems as well... but much of it has been missed assignments, which are the center's job to recognize. As you say... we have a very complex scheme... and I'll add to that, Ghiaciuc is in over his head.

If the coaching staff wasn't concerned, then we wouldn't be talking about Marvin's statements regarding "fixing" the O-Line during the bye week, and all the rumors of Steiny moving to center. We starting allowing all the sacks when Braham got hurt. That seems a bit too conincidental, doesn't it?

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I guess my opinio is that Ghiaciuc is a center by training and experience coming out of college and Steinbach's natural position is guard. My suspicion is that moving him disrupts more of the OL than inserting Ghiaciuc at center. I have trouble believing that Steinbach out of position at center, having played there ONCE (now twice), is going to produce far MORE problems (SACKS) than it solves.

However, if Marvin anc Co. proceed through the bye week and evaluate the posibilities and determine that Steiny at center is the best option, then who am I to argue?

Wilkerson for Ghiaciuc anyone?

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I guess my opinio is that Ghiaciuc is a center by training and experience coming out of college and Steinbach's natural position is guard. My suspicion is that moving him disrupts more of the OL than inserting Ghiaciuc at center. I have trouble believing that Steinbach out of position at center, having played there ONCE (now twice), is going to produce far MORE problems (SACKS) than it solves.

However, if Marvin anc Co. proceed through the bye week and evaluate the posibilities and determine that Steiny at center is the best option, then who am I to argue?

Wilkerson for Ghiaciuc anyone?

:cheers:

The Bengals have gone with Stienebeck at C and moved someone else to G in the past and it worked well.

That was with Koostria instead of Whitworth and IMO Whitworth is a much better player even if he is a rookie.

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In a recent article on Bengals.com it may be giving a clue on what is being worked on in the bye.

In the article it says.........

"As speculation swirls that Braham’s deep bruise could keep him out until late in the season and the Bengals will use the bye week to move left guard Eric Steinbach to center and replace Eric Ghiaciuc after his third NFL start, Alexander tries to put his finger on it. "

All I can say is that I hope the speculation is correct.

Ghiaciuc sucks,he is to the C position what Melvin Tuten was to the OT position.

His sorry play is startring to effect everything the team does,even the defense.By letting Carson get sacked it puts the D back on the field and pretty soon they get worn out, especially Sam Adams.

For the rest of the article.....

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5566

Oh for chrissakes, you cannot put the entire failure of this team on one guy. So when a DE speed rushes old Willie, that's the center's fault. When a LB overpursues, that's the center's fault. When Tory gets toasted, that's the center's fault. Gimme a break.

Like it or not, this team has shown some serious problems. As has been pointed out, they don't have a decent checkdown option. Yes, even Schobel would be better than Reggie Kelley, and not having a pass catcher in the backfield hurts. So it's probably the center's fault they didn't draft a TE like they needed to do. Sam Adams didn't report to camp in shape and it's hampering his play. That's probably the center's fault too. Tory James is old and slow, and that's the center's fault as well.

I'm not saying Guchuck is great, but let's blame him for the things that are solely his fault, OK?

Well of course Guy-chick isn't responsible for all the protection problems, but I think the point is, that teams the last two weeks are noticeably blitzing up the middle and giving Guy-chick problems - forcing Carson to move out of the pocket where the tackles are giving up sacks as a result, because the QB is not in position he should be, trying to avoid crazy blitzes that break down the pocket almost immediately.

It's a mess and has been since Rich has been out.

Guy-chick simply is not very good and never will be - been saying this forever - the sooner Alexander gets over the fact he sucks as a coach and made a bad draft pick - the better. The guy can't develop anybody.

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How many years has Brahm been playing center? Did you know that he was CONVERTED to center and absolutely SUCKED at it initially?

We have one of the most complex offensive schemes in the NFL. Ghiaciuc has started all of 3 games in his CAREER and is in his SECOND year. Give him some slack.

:bengal:

He may have sucked at C when he was trying to learn the position but, I remember when he started playing C in regular season games for the Bengals and I recall him playing pretty well, maybe he is a little better and wiser now but, I thought he played well.

At any rate he did not look as bad as Ghiciauc.

Ghiaciuc is to the Bengals chances for playoffs what ,congressman Foley is to capital hill pages.

Ghiciuac was not even all conference at Central Mich.

In the past when the Brahm went down the Bengals put in Brock Guiterez and played well he was the C for Corey Dillon's 250 yrd game so, it not because someone new is in.

It might be a good idea to look up Guiterez,I think he's out of football,he's younger than Braham,maybe he can still play.

Its nice to give a guy time to grow into a postion but, Carson Palmer is already coming off a major injury and we cannot afford to have him hurt.Ghiciuac is the kind of guy that gets your QB hurt.

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Bluto will be the center against Tampa Bay... Their two DT's ( Hovan and McFarland ) arent near the caliber of what he's faced at Pittspuke and NE....

If the offensive line has a weak llink right now it may very well be Willie. He's looking SLOW ....

So Willie is the reason that defenders are coming down the middle unblocked, and we've allowed 11 sacks with Braham out compared to 1 with him in?

Look... I want the guy to succeed as much as anyone, but I think it's fairly obvious that he's not ready. You can believe it's Willie's fault if you want, but I'd encourage you to rewatch those last 2 games and see how much pressure is coming between Williams and Ghiuciac. It's a lot.

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Its real simple. Put your best players on the field. Whos bettter, steiny or guycheck? Whos better woolworth's or guycheck? Thus steiny and woolworth's must play now and in a week or so, if not now, they will be a much better line then present. no brainer. and guycheck can still learn, but he does seem to lack the fire that richie has. too young and i'd even go with wilkerson instead though.

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