chrishcovga Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Can't wait to see # 28 lined up behind Carson Palmer in '04, think not, well think again after you read this.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[13] ESPN's Len Pasquarelli reports the Cincinnati Bengals and the Oakland Raiders are not expected to finish off that much-discussed swap of disgruntled Bengals RB Corey Dillon during the league meetings. For one thing, the Bengals are sticking to their asking price, believed to be a second-round pick, for Dillon. For another, despite various reports, the Raiders aren't offering anything close to that yet. Not surprisingly, Dillon is not attending the Bengals' offseason conditioning program. Less surprising, his absence hasn't exactly fazed HC Marvin Lewis. In fact, Lewis got off a good line this week, when asked about Dillon's recent TV appearance in which he ripped some teammates and Cincinnati executives. "Did he say anything that surprised you?" said Lewis. "I don't think he did anything to surprise the people in Cincinnati or around the league who have followed him." The inference, although Lewis would publicly deny it, was that Dillon is a loose cannon, a guy with an agenda who will say or do whatever it takes to get traded or bounced by Bengals management. What the veteran tailback is overestimating, though, is the Bengals' resolve not to be verbally extorted into making a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Can't wait to see # 28 lined up behind Carson Palmer in '04, think not, well think again after you read this.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------[13] ESPN's Len Pasquarelli reports the Cincinnati Bengals and the Oakland Raiders are not expected to finish off that much-discussed swap of disgruntled Bengals RB Corey Dillon during the league meetings. For one thing, the Bengals are sticking to their asking price, believed to be a second-round pick, for Dillon. For another, despite various reports, the Raiders aren't offering anything close to that yet. Not surprisingly, Dillon is not attending the Bengals' offseason conditioning program. Less surprising, his absence hasn't exactly fazed HC Marvin Lewis. In fact, Lewis got off a good line this week, when asked about Dillon's recent TV appearance in which he ripped some teammates and Cincinnati executives. "Did he say anything that surprised you?" said Lewis. "I don't think he did anything to surprise the people in Cincinnati or around the league who have followed him." The inference, although Lewis would publicly deny it, was that Dillon is a loose cannon, a guy with an agenda who will say or do whatever it takes to get traded or bounced by Bengals management. What the veteran tailback is overestimating, though, is the Bengals' resolve not to be verbally extorted into making a deal. Chris - Maybe that supports your idea that Dillon could be draft day trade bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Chris - Maybe that supports your idea that Dillon could be draft day trade bait. Chris is hardly alone in that opinion; I've thought draft day the most likely spot for a deal from day 1, and still do. A 2nd, however, remains a pipe dream, IMHO. If we are very lucky we'll get a high 4th (maybe the Raiders' third but only if someone gets Al Davis drunk first). Really, if we get anything this year I'd be surprised; a conditional pick (escalating as high as the second round, bottoming out in the fourth or fifth) in 2005 seems more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 draft day trades hardly happen, im guessing we'll either trade him after the draft or end up stuck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted March 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Well Jditty, you may be right... --As a matter of fact, here's what Chris Mortensen had to say about Dillon and the Bengals trying to trade him , on his Chatroom interview a couple of days ago..-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mort, what do you think will happens with Corey Dillon? It seems he still is a very very good player but do you think Marvin Lewis will get rid of him for anything less that a 2nd rounder? Chris Mortensen: Right now, a second-rounder is way too lofty for expectations. I hear the Raiders and Broncos are not that hot to trot on Dillon. At some point, you take what you can get, or you just keep him. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Corey Dillon (training camp interview) **Reporter**Corey, are you glad that you ended your holdout,and what are you feeling about the rest of the NFL not willing to make a trade for you..??** CD **--------- I'm sorry , could you repeat the question... I've got a lot of crow in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 I dont like this.....the longer this goes unresolved , the worse....thats wack to sit there and cry and cry, and bitch, so you can be traded or better yet, wont even have to play this season....I dont like it at all......Dallas isnt interested, I doubt Tampa Bay is.....Well Corey, you have no one to blame but yourself....you might just be watching Rudi this year main.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan2330 Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Am I mistaken or does anyone think that a player like Dillion should bring at least a first round pick? Remove last year, and Dillion's jabbering mouth and this is one of the most potent running backs around, and now the best it can bring is what like the 40th pick in the draft. What the hell you going to find at pick 40? If the Bengals really wanted to play games with Dillion, don't trade him, and don't play him. Let the cry baby sit on the sideline all year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halp Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 let's face it. if dillon is traded we get to boo his sorry ass if they play here. if he isn't we get to boo his sorry ass half the time. anyway. f... the s**t bag!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Johnson Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 if we were to play Dillon and performs at maximum capability he would easily get a first round. but the guy was injured (takes down stock) and has a huge mouth (takes down stock) there isnt much need at RB riht now (severely hurts stock) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuffMan Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Sources have told ProFootballCentral.com that in 1 week Corey Dillon will officially be a Raider. Bengals President Mike Brown and Raiders owner Al Davis have agreed in principle on a deal that will send the disgruntled Bengal to Oakland for a 2004 3rd rounder and a conditional pick next year pending on Dillon's play. The deal will be finalized next week at the owner's meetings and Dillon is expected to be announced as a Raider in a press conferance the following week.or so i heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 i like the conditional pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpwz Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hmmm no good picks after 40? Wasnt Dillon a 2nd rounder, as well as Steinbach, and even C. Johnson. In todays NFL anyone picked on the first day will be able to play right away.If anyone offers us a 3rd rounder we should jump on it in a heart beat. But I think Joisey's prediction will probably be the way it works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 A third rounder from Oakland would be just fine. I'm all for giving the Raiders cancer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Hmmm no good picks after 40? Wasnt Dillon a 2nd rounder, as well as Steinbach, and even C. Johnson. In todays NFL anyone picked on the first day will be able to play right away.If anyone offers us a 3rd rounder we should jump on it in a heart beat. But I think Joisey's prediction will probably be the way it works out. steinbach was the first pick in the 2nd round, so he was 33rd pick. A 3rd rounder is not a starter right away, usually 3rd rounders suit up, play special teams their first year, then in the 2nd or 3rd years they start. They usually have raw talent that needs to be molded, so a 3rd and a conditional would be good for dillon, i would not just take a 3rd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted March 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 For the record, Dillon was the # 43rd pick in the '97 draft. There's probably more value in round 2 than there is in round 1. Round 1 consists of the hit or miss guys.--Guys that had the hype or really good workouts that pushed them into the first, and very few elite talents. - The second round is more value, because you usually have the more accomplished players there. Guys that played till they were seniors.Graduated.Have families already, guys that look at the NFL as their future, not their payday.--Third rounders are usually the guys that could have or should have gone in round 1, but there is a noticeable flaw to their game.Injuries with question marks.etc. --Most of your day 2 picks , are guys that are drafted as corps guys. Players that you expect to play special teams, and fill a need. Most offensive lineman will come from Day 2, because teams spend more time trying to convince other teams that (such and such ) player is overrated just so they can draft them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xjjeep90 Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Looks like we have another T.O. on our hands..and this time its the Bengals having to appease a whiner..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 For the record, Dillon was the # 43rd pick in the '97 draft. Damn Chris. Do you just know this stuff, or do you have an incredible on hand database that provides you such facts at the drop of a hat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Looks like we have another T.O. on our hands..and this time its the Bengals having to appease a whiner..... Nope, see the Bengals don't have to do anything with Dillon. They don't have to trade and if he doesn't show up, he pays the Bengals, plus that would probably get them to invoke the loyalty clause and he'd owe them even more money. If he shows up, well he get's paid to warm the pine for two years, maybe they'll let him return kicks....The Bengals call the shots...Of course I have the opinion that they keep him, never play him again, and let him piss his last few good years away and there goes any chance of him making the hall of fame, or ever being a feature back...Hell, after his contract runs out, franchise him, never let him play another down in the NFL....But then I'm cruel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 But then I'm cruel I just knew there was something I liked about you other than Nascar!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted March 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 SHHH Billy, " H A L 333333 " won't let me diverge that information.- BEEP - is there a problem chris - BEEP-- BEEP - you are acting strange - BEEP-- BEEP - I'm afraid I can't let you do that - BEEP-.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Now Im to the point of, f**k it just get him out of here.....a 3rd rounder is fine with me, I mean, Kelley Washington (yours truly) was drafted in the third round last year...so theres definitely gems and steals there....plus if we get a conditional pick, I think Dillon can still kick enough ass to where we can receieve possibly a 2nd or 3rd rounder for next year.....whatever it is, just do it expeditiously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 a 3rd rounder is fine with me, I mean, Kelley Washington (yours truly) was drafted in the third round last year...so theres definitely gems and steals there You are absolutely right. There are gems and steals EVERYWHERE! In all rounds as well as undrafted. The key is recognizing these gems and grabbing them. I really think this is one of Marvins strong points. True...he's not the GM, but I cannot envision him NOT having a voice in this process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 Yeah coming from the school of Baltimore, and their usually successful drafts....I think we can definitely make the most from that trade.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halp Posted March 27, 2004 Report Share Posted March 27, 2004 here here to a dillon sabatical, or permenant west coast trip. i hope WE waste more time discussing the SOB then the hiarchy does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerpwz Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Jditty, I said a 3rd rounder should be able to play right away not start. To use our latest third rounder Washington as an example. If a third rounder cant be solid back up at a position then you did a bad job of drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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