OBSERVATION FROM THE SCRIMMAGE

[combatbengal]

I didn't see the scrimmage but have read all this crap about how it's ok for Henry to break (be accused) the law and that's all right with a lot of you as long as he plays great football. Some of the excuses too! He was set up? His dump a$$ let that happen. Who in their right mind takes a minor out to party with knowing that they might get caught? Who in their right mind smokes pot knowing that it's bad for you and that it might hamper your future? He just came in to money and wanted to party with his friend? Give me a break. Take your friends to Chucky Cheese, or Red Lobster to party. Who carries a gun around and pulls it on people? Yea I know, he was only accused of doing these things? Let’s see how many times have I been accused of breaking the law? Oh yea, ZERO! Don't get me wrong, he's a great football player, but he's also a punk.

[bengalboomer7]

What has Henry been CONVICTED of doing? He has been charged and now he is in the system. Hopefully he will get out of the system without doing time. The broad set him up.....he drove after having a few beers.....and he appeared to flash a handgun to impress his hoodlem friends. BFD

Has he failed a test ala Odell?

What has happened to 'innocent until PROVEN guilty'?

BTW I was against drafting this knucklehead, but he does have tremendous talent.

Come on, the facts have been laid out for you. Granted, the women in the hotel is a tad sketchy, but he blew over the legal limit, got caught with drugs, and was seen by a POLICEOFFICER waving a hand gun. Now, I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't take a Harvard law degree to figure these out. I'm suprised people are defending him so much, because none of us would have the chance to get out of this like he will.

What 'facts' are you talking about? OJ looked guilty too

Let the system run its course before YOU convict anyone.

There is a big difference between the court of public opinion and that of law.

How bout the FACT he blew over the legal limit, the FACT he was caught with a small amount of weed, and the FACT he was caught by a POLICEMAN waving a handgun. Go to your local neighborhood and just try one of these things, you think you'd make practice tomorrow?

[ArmyBengal]

Once again, Henry is a f*cking mentally constipated retard for sure, but I will never deny his skills and am rooting that we get to see them during the regular season at some point. I will end this by saying that he deserves what he gets for being an assclown and his skills do NOT make it ok to be said assclown, but I still want him to be a Bengal nonetheless...

WHODEY !!!

[semiotter]

What has Henry been CONVICTED of doing? He has been charged and now he is in the system. Hopefully he will get out of the system without doing time. The broad set him up.....he drove after having a few beers.....and he appeared to flash a handgun to impress his hoodlem friends. BFD

Has he failed a test ala Odell?

What has happened to 'innocent until PROVEN guilty'?

BTW I was against drafting this knucklehead, but he does have tremendous talent.

Come on, the facts have been laid out for you. Granted, the women in the hotel is a tad sketchy, but he blew over the legal limit, got caught with drugs, and was seen by a POLICEOFFICER waving a hand gun. Now, I'm no lawyer, but it doesn't take a Harvard law degree to figure these out. I'm suprised people are defending him so much, because none of us would have the chance to get out of this like he will.

Amen!!!!! we would all be in the pokey after 2 of the things this kid did, but im like the others who said if we let him go somebody else will grab himup in a heartbeat. And it would suck to see him go the shi*sburg and then hear their freaking fans come here and talk their sh*t....So what can ya do its between a rock and a hard place!!

[redsbengalsbucks]

Once again, Henry is a f*cking mentally constipated retard for sure, but I will never deny his skills and am rooting that we get to see them during the regular season at some point. I will end this by saying that he deserves what he gets for being an assclown and his skills do NOT make it ok to be said assclown, but I still want him to be a Bengal nonetheless...

WHODEY !!!

That sums it up for me as well.

[Dadraftnick]

Henry can play,there is no question of his talent.

He is a self destructive idiot, that is too dumb to stop killing his own career and freedom.

The big question is not does Henry have talent,he does,the question is can he stay out of jail and off of suspension long enough to contribute to the team or for that matter even play a down?????????

We cant wast a roster spot on the chance that he might play after he misses 6 games or a year only to have him get in more trouble while he is waiting those supensions out.

I remember a guy that we had his name was Stanley Wilson,he could been an all time great but , he couldnt stop killing hiself with crack.

We wasted alot of effort and time trying to save him from himself he is in prison for drugs and will be there for a long time.

Point is some guys are going to desrtoy themselves and there is only so much that you can do to get them to see the light,they have to want to do it .

One of the guitarist for Def Lepard used to have stage fright bad ,he was fine once he got on stage but,he used to try to break his hand so he wouldnt have to play and drink to cope,he ended up drinking himself to death-Self Destruction.

[ArmyBengal]

One of the guitarist for Def Lepard used to have stage fright bad ,he was fine once he got on stage but,he used to try to break his hand so he wouldnt have to play and drink to cope,he ended up drinking himself to death-Self Destruction.

Steve Clark...

Anyone catch them with Journey ?? Great show down here !!!

Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

WHODEY !!!

[Kazkal]

I didn't see the scrimmage but have read all this crap about how it's ok for Henry to break (be accused) the law and that's all right with a lot of you as long as he plays great football. Some of the excuses too! He was set up? His dump a$$ let that happen. Who in their right mind takes a minor out to party with knowing that they might get caught? Who in their right mind smokes pot knowing that it's bad for you and that it might hamper your future? He just came in to money and wanted to party with his friend? Give me a break. Take your friends to Chucky Cheese, or Red Lobster to party. Who carries a gun around and pulls it on people? Yea I know, he was only accused of doing these things? Let’s see how many times have I been accused of breaking the law? Oh yea, ZERO! Don't get me wrong, he's a great football player, but he's also a punk.

Depends if the minor was under 18 or 18-20 18-20 I really could careless.

[Stripes]

I've favored keeping Henry all along, and his scrimmage certainly doesn't change my mind.

[membengal]

Freakish talent buys extra chances. Always has. Always will.

I am fine with that. As long as they hedge their bets and have others ready to go to cover his inevitable NFL suspension.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

BB7, great respect for someone sticking to their guns. That's what I was looking for, someone not to go back on their original word after one scrimmage.

I for one have always loved the guys ability and want to see him on the field and nothing will change that. Ability aside though, have always been able to separate the two and admit he is a mental midget !!!

WHODEY !!!

Well, everyone has their own different imaginary line, and Henry crossed mine. I wouldn't even try to argue his ability, cause you can't.

Wait a second, weren't you one of the guys championing Bob Huggins when he was punished professionally for being totally wasted behind the wheel?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

1. Let's face it - Henry hasn't hurt nor killed anyone and will probably be convicted of a couple of misdemeanors ultimately.

He's not a violent criminal, just a dumb, immature, petty criminal of sorts. You can only hope he grows up as a result of all the recent problems.

2. It's not going to matter much, if he gets into trouble again, the league and/or team will come down very hard on him most certainly. He is on very thin ice from here on out, so he will have to change - or else.

3. He cannot be counted on to be on the field every Sunday - drafting or signing insurance was the wise thing to do (Chatman).

4. Brazell will be a special teams guy, if he makes the roster, I'm thinking. A possible kick returner or gunner, if he proves competent at doing either. He will not see field much otherwise, unless he just wows the pants off people and proves he deserves a play or two run for him and his speed. He is a Cliff Robinson replacement.

5. Like the sun coming up in the east and setting in the west - 2 things are certain - Chris Perry and Kelly Washington are always hurt.

[bengalboomer7]

BB7, great respect for someone sticking to their guns. That's what I was looking for, someone not to go back on their original word after one scrimmage.

I for one have always loved the guys ability and want to see him on the field and nothing will change that. Ability aside though, have always been able to separate the two and admit he is a mental midget !!!

WHODEY !!!

Well, everyone has their own different imaginary line, and Henry crossed mine. I wouldn't even try to argue his ability, cause you can't.

Wait a second, weren't you one of the guys championing Bob Huggins when he was punished professionally for being totally wasted behind the wheel?

Yes and No. I wasn't happy with the way the situation played out with Hugs. If he was gonna get fired, tehy shouldn't have waited until after the NEXT season after he won 20+ games and went to another NCAA tourney. That whole situation was just handled badly by all parties.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

BB7, great respect for someone sticking to their guns. That's what I was looking for, someone not to go back on their original word after one scrimmage.

I for one have always loved the guys ability and want to see him on the field and nothing will change that. Ability aside though, have always been able to separate the two and admit he is a mental midget !!!

WHODEY !!!

Well, everyone has their own different imaginary line, and Henry crossed mine. I wouldn't even try to argue his ability, cause you can't.

Wait a second, weren't you one of the guys championing Bob Huggins when he was punished professionally for being totally wasted behind the wheel?

Yes and No. I wasn't happy with the way the situation played out with Hugs. If he was gonna get fired, tehy shouldn't have waited until after the NEXT season after he won 20+ games and went to another NCAA tourney. That whole situation was just handled badly by all parties.

But didn't you argue that the school shouldn't have suspended him for getting drunk with a recruit and his family and then driving home and getting arrested and making the school look bad?

What's so different about his actions vs. Henry's? What is that line?

[Jet23]

Henry can play,there is no question of his talent.

He is a self destructive idiot, that is too dumb to stop killing his own career and freedom.

The big question is not does Henry have talent,he does,the question is can he stay out of jail and off of suspension long enough to contribute to the team or for that matter even play a down?????????

We cant wast a roster spot on the chance that he might play after he misses 6 games or a year only to have him get in more trouble while he is waiting those supensions out.

I remember a guy that we had his name was Stanley Wilson,he could been an all time great but , he couldnt stop killing hiself with crack.

We wasted alot of effort and time trying to save him from himself he is in prison for drugs and will be there for a long time.

Point is some guys are going to desrtoy themselves and there is only so much that you can do to get them to see the light,they have to want to do it .

One of the guitarist for Def Lepard used to have stage fright bad ,he was fine once he got on stage but,he used to try to break his hand so he wouldnt have to play and drink to cope,he ended up drinking himself to death-Self Destruction.

The kid is immature and stupid, no doubt. So was Cris Carter and look how he turned out. The Eagles waived Carter for being stupid. What happened? He grew up and turned into a HOFer player with the Vikings.

Again, we do not know the kid. I still give ML the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[bengalboomer7]

NO, at least I hope not. Here's some of the quotes i found

I think it's the NCAA's way of telling UC to get your f**king house in order before you can come see us.

Watching as many games as I did this year I think Kennedy was a better game manager than Huggins ever could be. His timely substitutions and getting quality PT out of guys that play football was nothing short of brilliant. He kept UC in some games they had no business being in.

The Kirkland injury just killed them.

.500 in your first year of the divison and 19 wins with six scholarship players is an amazing feat. Just look what happened to Louisville this year.

It's a shame. Now, with our coaching staff in such bad shape, how many good recruits can any coach get here?

Any coach will have to go Hugs route, and build with Jucos before the tarnish wears off.

Now, i do blame nancy, but she's not alone. Hugs didn't handle himself very well, and the Keith Legree debacle is unforgiving. I just don't understand why Hugs coached a FULL Year after his DUI. And him being at senior night and Kennedy thanking him, while brave and justified, cost him any chance at getting hired

With the mov to the big East I'm not sure if the guys Huggins recruits is good enough. Winning the CUSA is not the same as trying to win the Big East every year. I just can't see us winning 20-25 games facing Syracuse, UConn, and others every year

But he would also keep us respectable every year and probably competing (but never winning) for a conference title. But how many off the field issues can one guy dodge before getting poop-canned? It'll have to play out too perfect to benefit UC. Maybe, if Oscar starts coaching or sometnhing dramatic to bring in people, but no way does he do that. I don't think it looks too good for Huggy Bear, though

Now, there are some spots where I defend the guy, and I don't like how it played out. And the henry situation is a little more drastic, with four arrests and multiple blotches on his resume from college. People are supposed to learn from these things, and while I have no idea if Hugs did, there's more evidence to support that henry didn't

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Wait a second 4 blots? Are you not a supporter of making the pot legal? Speeding such a horror? Expired tags? Seems to me that blot #1 is a joke. (Well, I personal don't think smoking pot IS acceptable behavior, but I appear to be in the minority on this board.)

Second blot? Getting drunk in a hotel room with a couple of young girls? First off, did he know their ages? Ever had someone lie to you about their age? Especially a woman?!?! Secondly, the kid is all of 23 years old. Are you saying you never ever had a hotel party with a bunch of young girls (17-25) when you were a college aged kid? The dude is barely out of college, and is still immature. But is that so horrible? Are you claiming you NEVER drank before you were 21 or had someone buy YOU beer when you were underage, or went to a party where beer was served before you were legal to have it and had a beer? If you are, I call BULLs**t!

Screwup #3, flashing a gun around in public while wearing your jersey in the presence of a cop? Ok, this is dumb, I'll give you that.

But come on, half the crap he's done is barely a blip on the radar for any who is not a public figure.

[bengalboomer7]

Wait a second 4 blots? Are you not a supporter of making the pot legal? Speeding such a horror? Expired tags? Seems to me that blot #1 is a joke. (Well, I personal don't think smoking pot IS acceptable behavior, but I appear to be in the minority on this board.)

Second blot? Getting drunk in a hotel room with a couple of young girls? First off, did he know their ages? Ever had someone lie to you about their age? Especially a woman?!?! Secondly, the kid is all of 23 years old. Are you saying you never ever had a hotel party with a bunch of young girls (17-25) when you were a college aged kid? The dude is barely out of college, and is still immature. But is that so horrible? Are you claiming you NEVER drank before you were 21 or had someone buy YOU beer when you were underage, or went to a party where beer was served before you were legal to have it and had a beer? If you are, I call BULLs**t!

Screwup #3, flashing a gun around in public while wearing your jersey in the presence of a cop? Ok, this is dumb, I'll give you that.

But come on, half the crap he's done is barely a blip on the radar for any who is not a public figure.

Add to the facts that this was all done in about six months and it's more than just a blip, it's almost a lifestyle. Some of these things happen, hell, some of them have happened to me, but I'd like to think I learned my lesson, I don't think Henry ever will. And I'm not at all arguing his ability. But for me, I'm only willing to make so many compromises for W's and he reached my limit.

On a Unrelated note, while I do occasionally smoke, I'm not an avid supporter of making pot legal. I'd be worried the govt and big business would pump harmful chemicals into it just like cigarrettes because there is no medical evidence that pot is physically addictive.

[HairOnFire]

It's confession time.

I can't help shaking the feeling that for as spectacular as Chris Henry's meltdown was...(gulp)...his behavior should be viewed as one long incident instead of a series of events that occured again and again and again and again due to Henry being totally incapable of learning from his mistakes.

Granted, the NFL will add things up and the result will be four strikes. But for the Bengals I'm guessing the number should be one. One meltdown. One lost offseason. One chance wasted.

Let's see what happens after he's paid the legal price.

[richmond_mat]

I cannot believe the BB& is a bearcat-Huggins fan.

How many thugs has he cheered over the years?????

Back to Henry.....what has he been convicted for doing?

[bwillycuse]

I cannot believe the BB& is a bearcat-Huggins fan.

How many thugs has he cheered over the years?????

Back to Henry.....what has he been convicted for doing?

But he was arrested FOUR TIMES...... Just Kidding - er -given a ticket for possession, will pay a small fine (in his financial bracket/not mine) maybe work priveledges with his car- maybe a weekend seminar for reckless op)

The point is...Fire it up -er- Im fired up..either way Who Dey.. The games start soon.

[bengalboomer7]

I cannot believe the BB& is a bearcat-Huggins fan.

How many thugs has he cheered over the years?????

Back to Henry.....what has he been convicted for doing?

What was so bad about Hugs other than a low graduation rate. other than a couple morons like Roy Bright, what was sooo bad about Hugs. I don't blame marvin Lewis for Chris Henry.

I don't get this, so since i think Henry is a turd I can't root for the Bengals?

And I can't believe all you guys are defending him so hard. Wouldn't all of you agree that most of us here wouldn't be stupid enough to do all this. But you can't catch a 60 yard fly pattern, and for that reason only Chris Henry gets a pass. Hell, would any of you not at least GROUND your kids for doing something stupid. If Jr. robbed a Quickie Mart, would you let him play under the Friday night lights.

Look, I want to win, and I want the Bengals to win bad!! But I'm not blurring the lines of right and wrong, and excusing unexcusable actions, and compromising my beliefs for a few W's, and that is EXACTLY what some of you are doing.

And the justice system doesn't work the same for me as it does for guys like Chris Henry

[membengal]

I am not defending him, just noting that freakish talent buys you more chances than you and I would get.

That's how the system works.

And, I want the freakishly talented plying their trade with the Bengals, as opposed to with someone else. Because on those weeks he isn't jailed or suspended, he enhances this team's chances to win. The moment he doesn't, he's gone. Until then? I just grit my teeth and hope like hell the talent shows when they need it to.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

You misunderstand. I'm not defending his actions. I'm saying that what he does off the field is not going to cost him a job. I'm saying this is being blown out of proportion and you are shouting like Chicken Little "the Henry is falling, the Henry is falling" when in reality, the only way what he did off the field will affect his playtime is if it costs him jailtime. That being said, if Ray "Don't know nuffin'" Lewis and O.J. "I'll be looking for the real killer" Simpson can get away with murder, I'm sure Henry will be able to get away with holding a gun and smoking a little weed.

[bengalboomer7]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Once again, I can't argue the guy's talent, but with all his offseason problems, and with our talented depth at WR, I'm ready to ride with the other guys