Odell

[BengalChamps]

I dont understand why Odell cant practice. Is it because he is out of shape? ML doesnt want him around? Because he wont play the entire year and they just wont tell us yet? Is it because they are going to cut him and they dont want him to practice and get hurt...then they would be obligated to pay him for the season?

Why do we hear that he might be out the entire year? Is it because he missed or failed another drug test and the info has not been released yet?

Way too many questions about this guy. He's getting the same treatment Warrick got before he left the team.

[ArmyBengal]

It's because between the addition of Arrington to our LB corps and the fact he's a Meth addict there is no reason to think he will ever play another down as a Bengal !!!

WHODEY !!!

[IckeyShuffle]

I dont understand why Odell cant practice. Is it because he is out of shape? ML doesnt want him around? Because he wont play the entire year and they just wont tell us yet? Is it because they are going to cut him and they dont want him to practice and get hurt...then they would be obligated to pay him for the season?

Why do we hear that he might be out the entire year? Is it because he missed or failed another drug test and the info has not been released yet?

Way too many questions about this guy. He's getting the same treatment Warrick got before he left the team.

And because all the "reputable" sources had him reporting at 180-190 lbs as a meth addict.

The only source that matters is Marvin and its in him we trust.

[GregCook]

I'm guessing but here goes:

Odell can't play the first four games in September AND the Bengals just signed two rookie middle linebackers AND BSims is back to Mike after a 4 year layoff so all of this tells me there is not enough snaps for Odell who won't play until October. It doesn't help Odell that he is the number 4 middle linebacker either, that is a good position to get cut. But if I were to continue guessing, the Bengals will keep Odell over AJ.

Continuing to guess, but if Odell had kept his head on planet earth during the offseason, the Bengals might not haved drafted either AJ or Brooks. Then Odell would be the starter in the middle right now.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

AJ won't get cut, and he'll play on ST's (AJ will).

AJ has starter potential and was a 1st-2nd round pick before his "character issues" came to light. He's also a big, hard-hitting run stopper, like Brooks w/o the speed and athleticism - pure football player.

Caleb and others will go before AJ will at this point.

[BengalByTheBay]

I don't pretend to know whether Odell is going to be gone for the year or not, but let me posit that, if there is a long-term problem with OT, we have just drafted 2 MLB's. My feeling is that they will keep Brooks and AJ through cuts (regardless of OT's situation) figuring that one of these guys will keep it together enough to be an impact player in the middle. I'm seeing 3 guys to fill 1 or 2 roster spots -- so even if 1 or, worst case, 2 of them fall off the face of the earth we've still got a difference maker there. With a ton of upside, we are essentially betting against all 3 of them going AWOL together. That's not bad odds.

[walshfan]

AJ won't get cut, and he'll play on ST's (AJ will).

AJ has starter potential and was a 1st-2nd round pick before his "character issues" came to light. He's also a big, hard-hitting run stopper, like Brooks w/o the speed and athleticism - pure football player.

Caleb and others will go before AJ will at this point.

agree.. if someone wants to chart a player thats under the radar but might emerge as a very productive contributor before its all said and done my money would be on Nicholson...

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

It's because between the addition of Arrington to our LB corps and the fact he's a Meth addict there is no reason to think he will ever play another down as a Bengal !!!

WHODEY !!!

Actually I heard he pulled his jimmy rescuing a 17 year old hooker just before she was run over by a bus. The good news is, it prevented Chris Henry from having murder charges against him!

if there is a long-term problem with OT, we have just drafted 2 MLB's.

Escuse me? Where's the long term problem with OT? We just took care of one OT. We have two or three other guys waiting for Willie to retire. Where's the problem again?

[ArmyBengal]

I think he meant "OT" as Odell Thurman... D*mn initials...

WHODEY !!!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

I think he meant "OT" as Odell Thurman... D*mn initials...

WHODEY !!!

Uh ok. *blush*

[cincy9275]

bengals.com is reporting o'dell is in shape not 180 like was said . morton worked him out 3 times and said o'dell is the same as he ever was size and ability

[Stripes]

I think Odell will be back after week four unless and only unless Simmons is playing out of his mind.

[jrandom42]

I dont understand why Odell cant practice. Is it because he is out of shape? ML doesnt want him around? Because he wont play the entire year and they just wont tell us yet? Is it because they are going to cut him and they dont want him to practice and get hurt...then they would be obligated to pay him for the season?

Why do we hear that he might be out the entire year? Is it because he missed or failed another drug test and the info has not been released yet?

Way too many questions about this guy. He's getting the same treatment Warrick got before he left the team.

He's not practicing with the team because Marvin said so. End of discussion.

[HoosierCat]

bengals.com is reporting o'dell is in shape not 180 like was said . morton worked him out 3 times and said o'dell is the same as he ever was size and ability

Hobson also passed a comment from either morton or bresh, I think, that while Odell looked fine, "wasn't as ripped" as last year. I thought the same thing when I saw a pic of him on da site. I take that as confirmation that his drug problem was of the performance-enhancing variety...

[BengalByTheBay]

if there is a long-term problem with OT, we have just drafted 2 MLB's.

Escuse me? Where's the long term problem with OT? We just took care of one OT. We have two or three other guys waiting for Willie to retire. Where's the problem again?

"OT" = Odell Thurman. This thread was about Thurman and there was nothing about the offense at all, so I didn't consider it likely. Nonethless, didn't mean to confuse you.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

bengals.com is reporting o'dell is in shape not 180 like was said . morton worked him out 3 times and said o'dell is the same as he ever was size and ability

Hobson also passed a comment from either morton or bresh, I think, that while Odell looked fine, "wasn't as ripped" as last year. I thought the same thing when I saw a pic of him on da site. I take that as confirmation that his drug problem was of the performance-enhancing variety...

I've been wondering the same. I can't decide which is more likely, 3 positives for weed/powder, or one for the juice. You think he's gone Giambi?

I wish they'd make it 5 games for juice so we could at least tell the difference.

[Kirkendall]

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I believe Marvin is doing this to punish Thurman. Think about it.

- Thurman, as Chip says, is fine physically. A lot of guys aren't ripped that are great defenders in this league. I don't think that's it.

- He missed, what, 4 practices? Therefore he has to sit out the rest of camp (another 10 days) and work his ass off in military boot camp?

I believe this is Marvin's way of saying, hey, if you're going to embarrass the team, you're going to be in training camp away from the team. Time to think, understand his actions this off-season hurt the team. Now his consquence is to work away from the team. And from initial reports, he might be starting to understand the "team" concept. Which, if it takes, I'll be more than willing to forgive his mistakes... same goes for Henry who's starting to become more "mature" as Marvin said.

Just a guess.

[HoosierCat]

bengals.com is reporting o'dell is in shape not 180 like was said . morton worked him out 3 times and said o'dell is the same as he ever was size and ability

Hobson also passed a comment from either morton or bresh, I think, that while Odell looked fine, "wasn't as ripped" as last year. I thought the same thing when I saw a pic of him on da site. I take that as confirmation that his drug problem was of the performance-enhancing variety...

I've been wondering the same. I can't decide which is more likely, 3 positives for weed/powder, or one for the juice. You think he's gone Giambi?

I wish they'd make it 5 games for juice so we could at least tell the difference.

Well, compare this shot of him the day he arrived at camp:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gal...arams=Itemnr=18

To this shot from a bengals.com story in July of '05:

http://www.bengals.com/img/players/thurman...man050712-2.jpg

He's ripped in the earlier picture, and IMHO there's a lot less arm definition in the second, tho admittedly it's hard to tell. But that was the first thing I thought when I saw the first pic in the Enquirer, and I took the comment from the coaching staff that he wasn't as ripped as confirmation.

Now, maybe he just didn't work out and smoked a bunch of dope in the offseason, but personally I hope it was was roids. A lot easier habit to kick than some.

[BengalChamps]

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I believe Marvin is doing this to punish Thurman. Think about it.

- Thurman, as Chip says, is fine physically. A lot of guys aren't ripped that are great defenders in this league. I don't think that's it.

- He missed, what, 4 practices? Therefore he has to sit out the rest of camp (another 10 days) and work his ass off in military boot camp?

I believe this is Marvin's way of saying, hey, if you're going to embarrass the team, you're going to be in training camp away from the team. Time to think, understand his actions this off-season hurt the team. Now his consquence is to work away from the team. And from initial reports, he might be starting to understand the "team" concept. Which, if it takes, I'll be more than willing to forgive his mistakes... same goes for Henry who's starting to become more "mature" as Marvin said.

Just a guess.

This sounds like the most reasonable guess to me. Otherwise why wouldn't he practice if he is healthy.

[IckeyShuffle]

If I were a betting man, and I'm not, I believe Marvin is doing this to punish Thurman. Think about it.

- Thurman, as Chip says, is fine physically. A lot of guys aren't ripped that are great defenders in this league. I don't think that's it.

- He missed, what, 4 practices? Therefore he has to sit out the rest of camp (another 10 days) and work his ass off in military boot camp?

I believe this is Marvin's way of saying, hey, if you're going to embarrass the team, you're going to be in training camp away from the team. Time to think, understand his actions this off-season hurt the team. Now his consquence is to work away from the team. And from initial reports, he might be starting to understand the "team" concept. Which, if it takes, I'll be more than willing to forgive his mistakes... same goes for Henry who's starting to become more "mature" as Marvin said.

Just a guess.

This sounds like the most reasonable guess to me. Otherwise why wouldn't he practice if he is healthy.

I agree, this follows the logic of Marvin. OT loves the spotlight and making plays, Marvin is punishing him, keeping him in the doghouse, not giving him any spotlight. Marvin's version of scared straight?

If OT learns his lesson and can play week #5, with the drafting of Nicholson and Brooks, no question we have one of the youngest and most talented linebacker corps in the league. I'm still trying to get used to the idea that the Bengals defense could rival their offense, but I'll reserve my judgment until we stop the run in real games. The memories of that Buffalo game last year still haunt me in my sleep.

[bengalskyspy]

Clearly, ML is punishing him. Marvin is even using the media to punish him--- see the glowing reports about Brooks as the second coming of Lawrence Taylor. He has done this before to let players know that they are easily replaced.

[peteroseforpresident]

admittedly it's hard to tell

Should've left it at that.

Clearly, ML is punishing him. Marvin is even using the media to punish him--- see the glowing reports about Brooks as the second coming of Lawrence Taylor. He has done this before to let players know that they are easily replaced.

I agree. Odell can practice and play just fine. But Marvin is doing this as punishment for his offseason behavior because Marvin cares so much about LB's.