Dadraftnick Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 The Bengals have Rich Brahm,Eric Ghiaciuc,and Ben Wilkerson battling at the C spot, the question is do the Bengals keep Brahm,in his 13th year for the sake of chemistry,and risk loosing Wilkerson?With Brahm in his 13th year can he stay healthy, he has been hurt in each of the last 2 years?If you keep Braham ,this is likely his last year,the team will not carry 3 centers and they will not likely cut Ghiaciuc after they spent a draft choice on him and he held his own in a start last year.The million dollar question is do you cut Ben Wilkerson if he is back to his old form that he had before his injury in which he was one of the best centers in the NCAA?Wilkerson may end up being your Pro Bowl center for the next 13 years.There is also the chance that Wilkerson may re injure his knee.Braham has the smarts and experience with a body on its last leg.Wilkerson has the youth and future that you would hate to loose.What do you guys think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 You're joking, right?Wilkerson over Braham? Funny stuff. Besides, Eric Ghiaciuc is the center of the future. Not Wilkerson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Eric Ghiaciuc is the center of the future. Not Wilkerson.God I hope not.Signed,Carson Palmer and Rudi Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Let the two best men win. If the starting C ain't Richie, then the Bengals will have a helluva new starting center.Competition, I'm all for it...just so long as I'm not losing my job because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 this is clearly one of the most interesting battles...just have to let things play out and let marvin and paul alexander, not mike brown, make the decisioun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 You're joking, right?Wilkerson over Braham? Funny stuff. Besides, Eric Ghiaciuc is the center of the future. Not Wilkerson.Why because he had 1 decent start in one of the Olines in the NFL also helped making the calls vs a guy who was consirdered the best center in the draftAnyways I think we may keep all 3 and just use the loser of future center as guard depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 This is the kind of cut that always surprises people. Good call by Dad to see the possibility. I think though that Big Willie would start a mutiny if they cut Richie. Really i think it depends on Richie. Did he come back in shape? Did he lose a step?I agree with the others. Let the competition begin!!and dont let Mikey Boy decide the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 You're joking, right?Wilkerson over Braham? Funny stuff. Besides, Eric Ghiaciuc is the center of the future. Not Wilkerson. Pure Pongian stuff right there. Snarky and dismissive. So familiar. Welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'd say Braham is the only certain casualty of the salary cap among the remaining unsigned offensive lineman. I think we have plenty of talent behind him, and we'll probably draft another center in 2007. A first day pick wouldn't surprise me a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Keep the Buckethead. He still seems plenty quick into his stance off the snap and nobody out there is going to leave his guts on the field more than him. Plus his experience with line calls and recognition is especially vital this year while Palmer is getting back to form.However, I do think Ghiaucic can be the center of the future for the Bengals. Hard to tell off just one game but it looked like he's willing and able. Just not this year or at least not to start the year.But a healthy Ben Wilkerson would be a sight to see. He'd be eligible for the practice squad but could get plucked if centers (like LeCharles Bentley) keep going down for the count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Who cares if Richie is gone? He's an old man, and he's about ready to retire. This is probably his last season anyway. If Eric and Ben are ready to start, then by all means, give Richie his walking papers. However, I think all three make the squad this year. Why? Because Richie is the man right now, Eric is the man of the future, and Ben is the man who will beat Eric out IF he's every back to 100%. Next year, Richie won't be here, Willie won't be here, and Steiny will be tagged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself.It is new when you consider the Bengals are going to be one of the few if not the only team in the NFL returning the same starting 5 O-lineman for the third + Season in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself.It is new when you consider the Bengals are going to be one of the few if not the only team in the NFL returning the same starting 5 O-lineman for the third + Season in a row.And as you have just so finely pointed out, doing so is not the norm. The guys behind our guys are ready. Hell, Kooistra might be the guy stepping in there with a fatter starting role. He played really well when he was on the field for Willie last season. You hardly noticed he had gone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself.It is new when you consider the Bengals are going to be one of the few if not the only team in the NFL returning the same starting 5 O-lineman for the third + Season in a row.And as you have just so finely pointed out, doing so is not the norm. The guys behind our guys are ready. Hell, Kooistra might be the guy stepping in there with a fatter starting role. He played really well when he was on the field for Willie last season. You hardly noticed he had gone in.Are you crazy? I remember a game where Willie went out and they put Koistra in and then 5 plays later Willie went back because they were afraid Koistra was going to get Carson killed. Guys were going through him easier than through a well oiled gate. Koistra looked great in the pre-season, but this was the real deal and he didn't hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself.Even if they have experience in camp and in practice, there's really no way to tell how many of them are actually that good. Wilkerson is utterly unproven, Steinbach is too talented to play center (he's a damned good guard), and Guy looks good but in limited action. Replacing 3 starters on the line in 1 year isn't something you want to do.Guy will probably replace Brahm next year at the latest. I'd prefer to start working him in this year more if possible Someone will replace Anderson, probably Whitworth, unless Willie realllly wants to retire here. But for God's sake, leave the rest where they are, don't move Steinbach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Who cares if Richie is gone? He's an old man, and he's about ready to retire. This is probably his last season anyway.Take a look at the centers in Super Bowl 40. A couple of old men about ready to retire were right there in the thick of it all year long. Long live the Buckethead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 It would be nice to have younger, better center - Wilkerson was projected as a low 1st rounder before his injury when he was going to leave early, but decided to stay another year at LSU.He is our best bet if Braham gets hurt IMO. Not impressed with Guy-chick, seeing a guy get knocked backwards on his butt during a regular game more than once scares me to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 If Wilkerson is healthy he could be the guy they look to move to Steiny's spot and then move Whittworth into Anderson's spot. Eric could have the center position next year and 3/5 th's of the line will be all new. Now that is a scary thought. I sure hope they get their heads out of their a$$ and sign Steinbach.You put too much emphasis on "all new". These guys aren't new. We aren't talking about rookies coming in, or free agents. Each of these guys has had time to gel with the rest of the team. It's not a "new" line, it's a youth movement. They'll be fine if it happens. Now that being said, I'd be more comfortable with Steiny moving in to center and Wilkerson or Ghuicac moving to that pulling guard position myself.It is new when you consider the Bengals are going to be one of the few if not the only team in the NFL returning the same starting 5 O-lineman for the third + Season in a row.And as you have just so finely pointed out, doing so is not the norm. The guys behind our guys are ready. Hell, Kooistra might be the guy stepping in there with a fatter starting role. He played really well when he was on the field for Willie last season. You hardly noticed he had gone in.Are you crazy? I remember a game where Willie went out and they put Koistra in and then 5 plays later Willie went back because they were afraid Koistra was going to get Carson killed. Guys were going through him easier than through a well oiled gate. Koistra looked great in the pre-season, but this was the real deal and he didn't hold up.Not last year. You're thinking the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Who cares if Richie is gone? He's an old man, and he's about ready to retire. This is probably his last season anyway.Take a look at the centers in Super Bowl 40. A couple of old men about ready to retire were right there in the thick of it all year long. Long live the Buckethead. Amen. Richie may be the most underappreciated guy on the team. Tough, talented, and plays for peanuts. There's no doubt his time is drawing to a close but right now he remains the best center we have. Given that Guy's outing vs. Jacksonville -- admittedly a thrown-into--the-fire experience -- was mixed and Wilkerson remains an unknown, I don't think there's any way Richie doesn't make the roster (other than season-ending injury).My question is, with Whitworth on board, who ends up on the outs among Keift, Kooistra, and Andrews? Gotta think Keift has an uphill battle to prove his knee is 100%, and I think this is the make-or-break year for Project Dancing Bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 i compare kooistra with KK on defense. basically going to be on the team until someone can show that they can be more reliable week in and week out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 i compare kooistra with KK on defense. basically going to be on the team until someone can show that they can be more reliable week in and week out.I'll take that, particularly when KK is so damned valuable. He may not be starting material, but when he's on the field, he makes plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 same as kooistra. he has heart...thats what i like about him. he aint great, but hes gonna fight for u and do whatever he has to do. and as for braham...hes gonna be here this year for sure. i honestly doubt wilkinson makes the roster. 3 centers...no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 Sorry still hating on KK here, but I'll let it go since he's not a starter anymore !!! As for Braham, he's the heart of the o-line and makes the calls for them as well. The guy has been a stud year in and year out and will be here this year as well. I do believe however, it will be his last. Guycheck and Wilkerson will battle it out for the Center position and I believe Stienbach stays where he is (assuming he gets an extension or tagged) unless needed elsewhere. I love Bach's versatility !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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