ArmyBengal Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Why is no one can even question one of Marvin's decisions without being lambasted for it. He's a great coach, but he does make mistakes and I think he's made a few this offseason and it's been exposed.But, this talk of brat replacing marvin is just ridiculous.But, i also think "In Marvin we Trust" is losing a bit of it's luster. I don't believe anyone (including Marvin) is above taking heat for decisions, but I also believe (as stated in other posts) not one person is completely responsible for any decision. I also have never been a huge fan of the "In Marvin We Trust" thing anyway...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 You don't think Marvin is god? BLASPHEMY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 You don't think Marvin is god? BLASPHEMY Oh the shame.... WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Like my new avator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Coach Lewis is the best thing that has happened to this franchise since it hired Forrest Gregg.Brat's success is in spite of himself. It's been a while since I've watched them play but I recall way too many three and outs. First down- incomplete pass....second down- 3.5 up the gut...third down failure...punt. With this much talent on offense, you could draw plays in the dirt and be successful every third or fourth possession. For such an offensive genius, where's the TE?JUST WIN BABY. What I am learning through this is that the nfl needs to make it easier to dismiss players from your roster.So what you are saying is, when things don't work out for the offense it's Brat's fault and he is doing all the play calling?How can I write something simply enough for you to understand? Brat is a liability waiting to be exposed. His playcalling is suspect at times and his game management is pathetic. He cannot salt a game away.....I already went through this in January; go troll through for my thoughts on brat sportee I know I'm likely in the minority with this view, but I was chastised for at least two years for seeing Dillon as dead weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 .....I already went through this in January..and in 2005, 2004, 2003.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Kirk, love the new avatar !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadJohnson-85 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Like my new avator? BTW, anyone here what Bush said? ~~~~~> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/07/17/D8ITNMCG1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Yea, I'm starting to think he hates terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 You guys totally miss the point. I give up. I did not say Marvin was a bad coach. I simply stated, as well did other people, that because of one winning season, everyone has become blind to some of the things going on. I think your point about people dismissing things due to one winning season is a load of crap. Speaking only for myself, I'm impressed with the improvements Marvin has made across the board, from placing greater emphasis on special teams, to changes made in the weight and strength training programs, to the quality of the coaching staff he's put together, to the choice of paint color used in the offices. He's put his hands on everything Bengal, and almost everything has been dramatically improved. And that includes the talent level on the roster, from top to bottom. Plus, anyone who bothered to watch film of Marvin prowling the sidelines during games would know that he's pretty involved in the offensive playcalling. I've heard him suggest plays, dictate when the Bengals run or pass, call for a player to get the ball during certain game situations, and on occasion reject the play call sent down from the booth. I've also seen film of him directing the meetings where that weeks gameplan is being determined. And finally, I doubt anyone is blind to the risks being taken. Most of us are simply tired of the hysterical rantings and ravings that claim the sky is falling. Simply put, the Chicken Littles have made their point, and up to a point it's valid. But when you take a point too far you make a mockery of your own arguments. Most of you have done that...probably due to having your pot stirred for a couple of months by the guy at PFT. That guy owns some of you. I also have never been a huge fan of the "In Marvin We Trust" thing anyway... Agreed. Many of us have criticized several of the decisions Marvin has made so it isn't like he's above reproach. He's simply been so good that the opportunities are few and far between. Like my new avator? Isn't that a picture of your a**h***? And if so, why is there a finger in the middle of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hey, don't be mad. Just because he doesn't invite gays to BBQs, doesn't mean you should take it out on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 So if some of us disagree with the rainbow sunshine view of everything, we are in bed with the guy from PFT? You tell me how this team might fare with this schedule, the first four games this season with no Palmer, Henry or Odell?I simply prefer to prepare for the worst.The two best/most productive top 3 draft picks from the last two years are missing at least 4 games this season already, and in Henry's case probably never coming back again.That's poor drafting, development and coaching - sorry that's what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hey, don't be mad. Just because he doesn't invite gays to BBQs, doesn't mean you should take it out on me. Forget the gays. I hear they hate BBQ. My biggest problem with Bush is how he invades others peoples backyards, steals their meat and beans, kills half of the party guests, and then claims he did it to protect the people who live on his block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 So if some of us disagree with the rainbow sunshine view of everything, we are in bed with the guy from PFT? You tell me how this team might fare with this schedule, the first four games this season with no Palmer, Henry or Odell?I simply prefer to prepare for the worst.The two best/most productive top 3 draft picks from the last two years are missing at least 4 games this season already, and in Henry's case probably never coming back again.That's poor drafting, development and coaching - sorry that's what it is.That's not poor drafting, it's gambling. And on the Henry pick, he probably lost. Was the potential gain worth the potential risk? In my opinion, hell yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 For one thing... until Pollack, Marvin used all the earliest picks to bolster the offense and give Palmer weapons. The theory being, "What use is a franchise QB with no weapons." Not even a defensive genius can get results with a bunch of journeymen and cast offs... and we had Frazier, who didn't see eye to eye with Marvin. We are starting to get better personel now, and we got a new defensive coordinator last year. If we continue to suck, you can ask Marvin about it, but last year was the first year we had first round selections on defense, and they were rookies, and everyone was learning a new scheme.Marvin hasn't had a losing season in Cincinnati, and this came right off the heels ofa 2-14 season. You're either fair weather, or you have no idea what you're talking about.Marvin used all his high draft picks to bolster the offense? The starting offense has only three draft picks that start for it since Marvin has become head coach and 2 free agent pick ups in the past 3 years. I would hardly say that is using most of his draft picks to bolster the offense. And to say he was the coach that picked Carson Palmer, well it didn't take a rocket scientist to do that. Let me see, the Bengals had John Kitna, and Carson Palmer was the Heisman Trophy QB out of USC who had started there for 4 years. Man that was a difficult pick! So other than Carson he has picked on offense Eric Steinbach, which I am sure Paul Alexander had a pick hand in doing, Chris Perry (need I say anything here?), Jeremi Johnson (who is a great FB), Chris Henry (Dumba$$), Tab Perry (great special teamer), and some back-ups. I hardly see all the draft picks going to bolster the offense.Chad, TJ, Braham, Levi, Willie, Rudi....all those guys were already here. And you already answered my question about Brat. If he wa so bad would they stick with his offensive scheme all this time? You think that maybe all he needed for his offensive scheme to work was a good QB instead of Kitna?And once again, I am not saying Marvin is a bad coach, I am just tired of people giving him full credit for the turn around of the team and then blaming the screw ups on other people. How hard is that for people to understand. And to think one person would vote for Bratkowski in this poll is dumb. Why would anyone vote the offensive coordinator over Lewis at this point? that would be like starting a poll on who you love more, your mother or your mother-in-law. Followed by a pool on who you would trust more to raise your kids, your mother or your mother-in-law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I found no logic in that post at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 And to think one person would vote for Bratkowski in this poll is dumb. Why would anyone vote the offensive coordinator over Lewis at this point?I don't know... Why would someone suggest Bratkowski could have been brought in and suggest he could do the same thing Marvin has ??WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Yes, I'm doubting ML a little right now, but i still think he is the right man for the job. Maybe the press is influencing me a little. But please NO MORE Stanley Wilson moments for this franchise! I know lets all doubt marvin because we take a few questionable guys to make our football team better,even though we've taken plenty of high character guys to make up for it I think pollacks character alone makes up 3 pot heads alone Btw I'm not a brat hater and would perfer him to stay are OC,but I think marvin deserves more credit till he actually has a losing season because sense hes been with us he hasen't and thats all we did before he came.Well put! So if he is so instrumental in all this, why hasn't the defense developed as well as the offense, especially with his defensive background?Because our defense needed more work but is coming along imo but only time will tell "shrug" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The two best/most productive top 3 draft picks from the last two years are missing at least 4 games this season already, and in Henry's case probably never coming back again.That's poor drafting, development and coaching - sorry that's what it is.Wait a second, you've just said that the two best/most productive top three picks are the guys in question. If they are the best/most productive, and were not even first round picks, how is that poor drafting? Their mistakes were not on the field, they were in the offseason. How is that poor coaching? Do you expect the coaches job to be babysitting? Does your boss come home with you on the weekend to make sure you aren't acting immorally or illegally? As for development, both players got better through the season. That's not poor development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 SOOOO...your saying Odell and Henry are more productive than say Palmer and Steinbach? You do realize that we are talking about this years and last years drafts if you are prepared to evaluate a draft on one years production I am prepared to call you an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I am prepared to call you an idiot.Save it for Steelers fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I am prepared to call you an idiot.Save it for Steelers fans... Good call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Man Law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I love the man law commercials, even if The Bus is on the council.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 .....I already went through this in January..and in 2005, 2004, 2003.................... I've been around awhile and still haven't hit my kilo. thanks for remembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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