bengalboomer7 Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Man, the hype machine is running overtime right now.He's a gimmick player, and I don't expect anything more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Man, the hype machine is running overtime right now.He's a gimmick player, and I don't expect anything more than that. Agreed. I doubt he makes any noticeable impact as a wideout, even if Henry doesn't return. I think he makes the roster at the #6 receiver, and will be used for tricks. I think he could push Krenzel for the #3 QB spot though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadJohnson-85 Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 hell man I would try him out returning kick offs! That is if he can handle catching the ball. He could be the next Dante Hall, the way stops on a dime and changes direction.I believe Tab Parry will be the next Dante Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Man, the hype machine is running overtime right now.He's a gimmick player, and I don't expect anything more than that.i agree.watchin that video only showed that he is very very fast. he can't cut that well honestly, and he's not a reciever. patrick johnson was faster than he is, and that dude pumped my frickin gas last thursday. benny brazell is much faster than mcneal, anyways. not a peep about him? that dude was an olympic runner and i've read he ran under 4.2 in the 40 ...brazell didn't get much p.t. at lsu because he was behind two future 1st-round recievers. i know a dude who avidly watches lsu games and said that brazell has great hands as well, but just flew under the radar because of a lack of playing time. not sayin he'll be a stud, but i am more psyched about that dude than mcneal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 he can't cut that well honestlyI totally disagree with that assessment.It looks to me like he can cut very well and can change direction on a dime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 he can't cut that well honestlyI totally disagree with that assessment.It looks to me like he can cut very well and can change direction on a dime.Ditto. Not only is he very agile, but his reaction/decision-making speed is amazing. A lot of those plays, you can't tell if he's going to run or throw until it's too late.And if those highlights are representative, he seems to be good at avoiding big hits. Brazell might be faster, but he doesn't have as much experience being chased, and avoiding tackles. All the speed in the world isn't going to help if you can't avoid that first hit after the catch.There is a great deal of hype here, but there's no reason to think he wouldn't be able to make big plays on the next level. Even if he's not the best route-runner in the beginning (his hands should be fine), I'm sure Marvin wouldn't mind dusting off the old reverse play they used to run with PDub when they couldn't rely on the QB du jour to get him the ball.Keep in mind that this guy was only a 6th round pick. It's not going to take much to live up to a reasonable expectation. Two or three touchdowns in year 1? Doesn't seem far-fetched to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 He'll be alright, nothing special.Can you say a younger Anthony Wright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Anthoney Wright never ran a sub-4.4 40....McNeal could get on the field as a WR...but only if Henry and KW are gone....I am one who does think he could jump Krenzel for the #3 as well....he is a GIGANTIC change of pace...and would be far more difficult to defend than Krenzel...heck, he could beat out Wright.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengal4life Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know if anyone has posted this but with his field vision and speed he may be our new punt returner while he develops into an all-star receiver. Wouldn't that be something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nechemia Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 http://draftblogrelay.blogspot.com/2006/04...-highlight.htmlI found another video w/ better music and different highlights. This video actually shows him throw the ball.dude is a sick athlete, wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Bengal Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 our new punt returner is antonio chatman so he wont be punt returning maybe spelling with tab at KRi think at the end of camp u will be looking at chad, Tj, henry(depending if he gets suspended or not) chatman, washington, Mcneal. brazell goes to the PS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 That was amazing. Hell I don't care where you put him at. He has to be as good as Radio.I assume one of our three veteran QBs is "Radio"which one?and why this nickname?anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 anyone? Radio was a character in a movie recently (based from a true story), played by the actor Cuba Gooding Jr... Some say Anthony Wright looks like the real Radio (I don't see it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentjett Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Whoever posted that he isn't very good at making cuts is a f**king idiot, the guy is a rare athlete that can cut on a dime. He might not make it as a QB but he will make the team. He is a bigger, faster, quicker, more powerful, and stronger armed version of Randel El. If you cannot see that potential, you should quit watching football altogether because you don't know a damn thing about the sport. His cockiness is the only thing getting in his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 I never knew a sixth roiund pick switching positions could bring so mucn controverseyLighten up a little, and play nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Mcneal will not be our Randel El. I don't see him being on the field as much as RE, or running back punts. I see him as the #3 QB, who can play the slot in a pinch..and may catch a screen out of the backfield or run a reverse..or facilitate a gadget play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 The Randle El comparison isn't really appropriate anyway. For one thing, after Plaxico left, the Steelers pretty much made him their straight-up, non-gadget, #2 WR. I don't see the Bengals doing that with McNeal for some time. Barring injury or major drop-off in ability, Chad and TJ are locked in for at least 2-3 years. But then, our offense is more pass-oriented, so the #3 and #4 guys are going to get more looks. Here are Randle El's pertinent stats from the last 4 years...Games / Starts / Catches / Yards / TD's16 / 0 / 47 / 489 / 216 / 1 / 37 / 364 / 116 / 7 / 43 / 601 / 3 16 / 15 / 35 / 558 / 1Meanwhile, here are Chris Henry's stats from last year...Games / Starts / Catches / Yards / TD's14 / 5 / 31 / 422 / 6So if I may make a few broad generalizations, Randle El was lower on the depth chart than Henry his first 2 years, but got a similar number of catches and yards. As he evolved into a starter (and presumably got more playing time), Randle El actually became less productive, even as his QB situation improved. And in his 4 year career, has only scored 1 more TD than Henry did in his only year in the league.So I guess what I'm saying is that I would want McNeal to be better than "our Randle El".And for what it's worth, Washington and Walter combined for 29 catches, 312 yards, and 2 TD's last year. Chatman, Tab and McNeal should be able to do better than that. I'm thinking 35-40 catches, 350-400 yards, 4 TD's. P.S. No 2005 stats on .com from departed FA's (Kitna, Walter, Schobel). Intrigue or just sloppy webmater? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Still could get use out of mccneal in 3 or 4 WR sets so its not as much of a hey were doing a gadget play! more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 If Cheech is suspended for a few games and the Bengals go 3 wideouts with Chatman included then the possibility of Oneal getting a chance at punt returns may be realistic.. It gives him the opportunity to showcase himself.. Look for him to get a little action in preseason .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Also something to look at chad and TJ aren't on every single passing down tough we can just keep normal change up between wr's 3 and 4 mybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Getting Reggie! in the 6th round could be THE steal of the draft. It might not pay off this year but it will in the future. My biggest concern is if he will be patient enough to watch and learn a little this year. He WILL score a couple of TD's this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 The Randle El comparison isn't really appropriate anyway. For one thing, after Plaxico left, the Steelers pretty much made him their straight-up, non-gadget, #2 WR. I don't see the Bengals doing that with McNeal for some time. Barring injury or major drop-off in ability, Chad and TJ are locked in for at least 2-3 years. But then, our offense is more pass-oriented, so the #3 and #4 guys are going to get more looks. Here are Randle El's pertinent stats from the last 4 years...Games / Starts / Catches / Yards / TD's16 / 0 / 47 / 489 / 216 / 1 / 37 / 364 / 116 / 7 / 43 / 601 / 3 16 / 15 / 35 / 558 / 1Meanwhile, here are Chris Henry's stats from last year...Games / Starts / Catches / Yards / TD's14 / 5 / 31 / 422 / 6So if I may make a few broad generalizations, Randle El was lower on the depth chart than Henry his first 2 years, but got a similar number of catches and yards. As he evolved into a starter (and presumably got more playing time), Randle El actually became less productive, even as his QB situation improved. And in his 4 year career, has only scored 1 more TD than Henry did in his only year in the league.So I guess what I'm saying is that I would want McNeal to be better than "our Randle El".I understand what you are getting at... but I would argue that you didn't include all the "pertinent stats" as you say. For instance...Randle El's RushingRushes/Yards19/13415/758/3412/73Randle El's PassingAttempts/Completions/Yards/TD's8/7/45/04/3/6/01/1/10/13/3/67/1Randle El's Kick ReturnsNo/Yards/TD's32/733/124/466/025/127/01/16/0Randle El's Punt ReturnsNo/Yards/TD's37/257/045/542/242/347/044/448/2Even if you ignore the punt and kickoff returns... the rushing and passing aspect of his game can't be ignored. When you wrap all of these stats into one player, you get a very versatile and dangerous threat on the football field. (this is why Washington paid him... not because of his pure receiving ability). I agree with you that he is not as good a pure WR as Henry is. The receiving stats bear that out... but Henry is not the running or passing threat that Randle El is. This is something that can't be measured in stats, and has the ability to impact the rest of the team positively in ways that his stat line doesn't show. The rest of the team can be more effective when the defense has to be prepared for his shenanigans. If McNeal can bring this aspect to our offense, we'll improve much more than just the number of yards and TD's he puts up as a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 If McNeal can bring this aspect to our offense, we'll improve much more than just the number of yards and TD's he puts up as a WR.And Carson Palmer catches a 50 yard reverse pass from Reggie McNeal for a TOUCHDOWN!! When monkeys fly out of my ass....OH OH OH I feel a turtle poking it's head out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 If McNeal can bring this aspect to our offense, we'll improve much more than just the number of yards and TD's he puts up as a WR.And Carson Palmer catches a 50 yard reverse pass from Reggie McNeal for a TOUCHDOWN!! When monkeys fly out of my ass....OH OH OH I feel a turtle poking it's head out! huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 I understand what you are getting at... but I would argue that you didn't include all the "pertinent stats" as you say. For instance...Randle El's RushingYou're absolutely right. I don't know what I was thinking, not looking past his receiving yards/TD's. My bad.I still think the versatility a Randle El or McNeal brings to the table is better served in an offense like the Bengals' rather than the Steelers'. The point I was trying to make by bringing up Henry's numbers was not that one player was better than the other, but that a WR (or some hybrid form of a WR) would have more opportunities to score TD's with the Bengals than the Steelers. If you combine all of Randle El's passing, rushing, receiving and special teams TD's, he's never scored more than 4 TD's a year. Chris Henry scored 6 as a part-time starter, playing 1 position, and no special teams.It's interesting to look at Randle El's passing numbers though...1st season -- 7/8 for 45 yards and no TD's. His longest was a 20 yarder, so the other 6 passes were for a total of 25 yards. 2nd season -- 3/4 for 6 yards and no TD's. His longest was a 9 yarder, so the other 2 passes were for -3 yards.3rd season (first without Plaxico) -- 1/1 for 10 yards and a TD.4th season -- 3/3 for 67 yards and a TD. His longest was a 51 yarder, so the other 2 passes were for 16 yards.If I may make another broad generalization, the value of a WR's ability to throw doesn't seem to be in the number of passes attempted, but in the fear that such a play is possible. As Randle El's time as a WR increased, he attempted fewer passes, but had a higher completion rate and scored more points.Draw whatever conclusion you want regarding McNeal, I just think it's interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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