icehole3 Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 We interupt this programming of the "What's Marvin doing drafting guys we dont know?" to bring you this announcement.Do we dare doubt Moses? Year in, year out they plug guys in on draft day and if they dont fit our mocks we scratch our collective heads. Then by November when we're getting premium production out of our picks, we're all back in church praising Moses and all the Draft publications are writing about how well we've done in the draft. Did we reach for some guys who knows. Is Marvin Moses happy with the way his board looks after day one, he sure sounds happy. Marvin feels he has a coaching staff that can coach up anyone. The production he has gotten from Deltha O'Neal who the Sporting News compares Joseph to, should squash any doubts anyone has on Marvin's ability to get blood from a turnip. OK, now back to your regular programming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 The only trouble with the "In Marvin We Trust" theory is that there's plenty of reasons not to trust him. Chris Perry, Kelly Washington, Keiwan Ratliff, and Caleb Miller have all been disappointments. The jury is still out on Pollack and Henry. Of 11 day 1 picks, only 5 are clear winners: Palmer, Steinbach, Madieu, Landon Johnson, and Odell. Of Marvin's 16 day 2 picks, only JJ and Koo are clear keepers. Maybe Tab Perry and Robert Geathers. The rest remain on the "jury's out" list -- or are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Put the pipe down Joisey! KW , Keiwan, and Perry have played well for us. Miller you can say that about. I think im the only one that liked this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nechemia Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 The only trouble with the "In Marvin We Trust" theory is that there's plenty of reasons not to trust him. Chris Perry, Kelly Washington, Keiwan Ratliff, and Caleb Miller have all been disappointments. The jury is still out on Pollack and Henry. Of 11 day 1 picks, only 5 are clear winners: Palmer, Steinbach, Madieu, Landon Johnson, and Odell. Of Marvin's 16 day 2 picks, only JJ and Koo are clear keepers. Maybe Tab Perry and Robert Geathers. The rest remain on the "jury's out" list -- or are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 There are more reasons to trust Marvin than not to. He takes some risks, and some have worked out, some haven't... Isn't that the definition of a risk? Look no further than last year. The Odell risk worked out beautifully... the Henry risk - not so much (although there's still time for him to get it together).I'm not all about the whole "In Marvin we trust" thing... but I am perfectly okay with his drafting strategy. It has earned us big time play makers. A couple busts... but so is life. Thus far his philosophy has worked out better than playing it safe with all our picks... so "In Marvin's strategy I trust" How about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 I'm not all about the whole "In Marvin we trust" thing... but I am perfectly okay with his drafting strategy. It has earned us big time play makers. A couple busts... but so is life.That's about how I feel as well. In the final analysis, the draft is and always will be a crapshoot. I was simply pointing out that Marvin's record doesn't justify blind faith. Skepticism is permitted.Put the pipe down Joisey! KW , Keiwan, and Perry have played well for us.Washington wasn't able to beat out TJ or even Henry for a slot. He was so "valuable" that he wasn't even active for the playoof game last season. Kiewan just dropped on the depth chart with the drafting of Joseph. Perry certainly has played well...when he can get on the field. He's dinged up yet again right now and will likely miss all the offseason workouts. (It should be noted that he didn't want to have the knee cleaned out but the bengals arm-twisted him into it.)I stand by my evluation of these guys as, to date, disappointments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted April 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 That's about how I feel as well. In the final analysis, the draft is and always will be a crapshoot. I was simply pointing out that Marvin's record doesn't justify blind faith. Skepticism is permitted.I guess we can agree that, good thing LeBlew and Coslet arent around running the show anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregCook Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 One small observation.If the Bengal's drafting was as iffy as someone suggests, how did the Bengals go 11-5 last season and win the division? How did Marvin pull them out of a 2-14 funk without excellent drafting over the last 3 years?Inquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 With the draft it is so difficult to tell what the purpose of some of these picks are. What is their intentions. In 04 every expert thought that we absolutely reached for Ratliff and M. Williams. Askew was the steal of the draft by some experts. You just never know. Ratliff in his element is solid as a nickel back. Ratliff is not a starter in the NFL, nor is he a safety.K. Washington has shown flashes of being a solid number 3 receiver, but he is not better than TJ or Chris Henry and that is why the numbers game has pushed him out. Chris Henry produced last year, and served his purpose as a number 3 receiver scoring 5 touchdowns, and playing the outside opposite Chad. If he stays out of trouble he will be very good.Marvin hits home runs on his fair share of picks, and he misses on others. All NFL coaches do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 For me, the "In Marvin We Trust" thing just means, hopefully the coaches, scouting team, and management know more about college football talent than me when it comes to the draft !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 For me, the "In Marvin We Trust" thing just means, hopefully the coaches, scouting team, and management know more about college football talent than me when it comes to the draft !!!WHODEY !!!Well said. It would be nice to know what the long term plan is, because some of these picks would probably make more sense... but we don't, so we're forced to trust him. Since most of us don't have 80 hours a week to devote to college football game film, I'll trust that he is making educated picks. This doesn't mean it can't be criticized... but at the very least we should remain humble enough to realize that we can't accurately judge his decision when we don't have all the relevant information to judge it on. It's fun to speculate though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBenBlows Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Bill Bilicheck gets it done in New England by doing the same type of thing Marvin is doing. Taking a lot of no names or low profile guys and going deep into the playoffs or the Super Bowl year after year. I don't really like or agree with these picks but that's why Marvin gets paid the big bucks and not us. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Drafting is a 50-50 proposition at best.The problem was that the Bengals were like 10-90 (10 of a hundred would be decent, 90 busts); now we are getting better than 50-50 with maybe 60-40, so I will take that. Marvin dosent have to draft 10 kids a year that are potential hall of famers.Heck with the 80 bodies on the current roster, chances are that 6 of these eight will not make the practice squad, let alone the active 53.I am certainly scratching my head 'cause I don't know most of these kids or see where and how they fit. But last time I checked I was sitting here on this side of the computer screen, not inside the draft room and certainly not scouting and watching the amount of football or talking to the conditioning and other coaches of these kids, so I will leave that to the guys that get paid (a whole lot more than I do) to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 I always take "In Marvin We Trust" to mean, on the coach and his staff sliding scale, with Marty Mohrninweg on one end and Bill Belichick on the other, a recognition among the fan base that Marvin is close to the Belichick end of the scale. As such, he gets plenty of slack from me that David Shula, Bruce Coslet and Dick LeBeau did not. Results matter, and ML has gotten results, while putting a plan in place, so, yes, while I don't get the Rucker thing, I will wait to be too overtly bitchy about it until a few years have passed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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