The_Next_Big_Thing Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Rucker is a beast in the making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 TNBT it is funny you say that because when I got to work this morning I had Bills and Rams fan saying how good FRucker was and that they wish they could have drafted him...so I am starting to feel good about FRucker especially after CBS Sportsline said he was our best pick in the draft and that he is better than what people think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Man, do I long for the day when Mr. Rucker rocks the world! I can hear everyone now as they backpeddle in step. Imagine if this guy turns out to be a great player in 2 years ... how everyone will praise Marvin's insight. I suspect there will also be many guys on this board who will choose to rewrite history a bit and claim they were not 100% against the pick ... just slightly questioned it ... that maybe he could have been had a round later. Yeah, right. Surely worth scratching your head over, but definitely not worth throwing away the draft over. As I told Marvin Sr. last fall ... Coach Lewis has already done more for me as a fan than several other coaches before him. For that I owe him at least the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Nope...mark me down as 100% in opposition to this pick.I have not backed down off Two Carry despite his 60 something catches last year on the basis that we could have (and should have) done something more impactful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 When we picked him I was shouting at the TV and on this board. I've sinced warmed up to Snowman, but if people want to use my reaction against me later, then go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 It would have been real interesting to see what would've happened had Chris Gocong slid down to the Bengals in the 3rd round instead of getting picked by the Eagles. There's a DE.Frostee Rucker? We'll see. Hopefully, Eric Henderson does sign as an undrafted rookie free agent. He'd be great to push Rucker, but I hope the organization has the balls to pick the best player instead of keeping a draft pick just for the sake of keeping a draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Rucker is a beast in the making.that'd be great. but other than Palmer (who was the first overall pick, not the 100th), we really haven't "made" a beast in the past several years. Of the players that have highly outplayed their draft position (Chad, Rudi, TJ), most of them are from earlier drafts. I think that we're actually more conservative in our picking since then. With the probable exception of Chris Henry, we're looking for guys that are surer bets, as opposed to boom/bust types. If anyone's going to be a beast, it'll be Henry, provided that he can get on the field.Don't get me wrong-- we've drafted well, and gotten productive players. Most players have performed better than they were slotted to be drafted, which is a terrific overall record. Our record of busts is ridiculously low-- I'm thrilled with just one Caleb Miller every three years -- so I suspect that Rucker will perform fairly well, and give us better push on the passing downs. Maybe like Geathers did in 2004. I just don't expect a beast. If he can eventually show 5-6 sacks per year, and if he can get to the point that he doesn't have to play only on passing downs, then the Bengals did fine. I expect no more, but I do expect that he won't be a 3rd round bust, just because our guys rarely wash out under Marvin. I also expect that Whitworth will be an above-average to excellent RT, and it'd be great if Joseph could be another Deltha in 2007. I'm not blindly "in Marvin we trust", but I also think that there's real good history to warrant reasonably high expectations. Third rounders here often play like good second rounders. And since there's not a lot of talent on the DL, I certainly hope to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Frostee is an average DE....He is not the fast, versatile, big-motor that is Pollack.He is not the size or technician that is Geathers.He is not the consistent push that Smith provides...I donot think Rucker will be as good as our CURRENT DE's...even Fanene has more upside as he can go inside if asked....Rucker is ot outstadning in any way.... I thiught we could have done better in r3...I'm still going to root for him and hope he proves my opinion wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Agreed KingWI too hope I will be proved wrong and he'll be great.I don't see it happening, tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Frostee is an average DE.....average at not only a need but also a premium position would be great value for a late third rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Not really, given that there were above average prospects to be had at that pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Not really, given that there were above average prospects to be had at that pickThat's your opinion,not fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 The fact is...there was still Anderson, Adeyanju, Haralson, Dumervil and Edwards, available and who I rated much higher than Rucker...Beyond playing for USC, he is slower, smaller and weaker than just about all those listed above...and less prodctive in college last year.I think NFL.com's summary is the most accurate:"He has the quick feet and hands to defeat tight ends/running backs who try to pass block him, but can't consistently beat offensive tackles. He lacks the burst off the ball to threaten the corner and once the offensive tackle gets ahold of him, he can't get free and is basically eliminated from the play. He has experience lining up in a two-point stance wide off his normal alignment and has rushed the passer and dropped into zone coverage from this alignment (He looked pretty good dropping into coverage for a 267-pound defender). He would be an excellent free-agent signing because he can be a very good backup defensive end in the NFL. He is best suited to being a backup because he will struggle to consistently pressure the quarterback in the NFL and will struggle to hold ground vs. offensive line run blocks on runs at him due to his lack of bulk/strength. "key points-...excellent FA signing....(but not an r3 grade)...best suited to being a back-up....(isn;t that about what we have now???)...lack of bulk/strength...(which can be worked on but not what you're asking your r3 guy to take a few years to do...?)Poor pick.....a very "average" player who will have minimal, if any impact in hsi first 3-4 years...in other words, a waste considering team needs, who else was available and state of our D.I'm not sure how it can be argued otherwise.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 If Marvin reads this board, I'm embarassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I didn't see the East-West Shrine game, and this take might be wrong: but from what I can gather, Whitworth took on Rucker and Rucker came off very very well. So logically, if the Bengals are correct that Whitworth is sliced bread, then Rucker may be all that and more. At least for one dayOf course, the logical opposite is that we blew both choices. But let's just hold off on that darker thought until minicamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 I didn't see the East-West Shrine game, and this take might be wrong: but from what I can gather, Whitworth took on Rucker and Rucker came off very very well. So logically, if the Bengals are correct that Whitworth is sliced bread, then Rucker may be all that and more.Of course, the logical opposite is that we blew two choices, not just one. Let's just hold off on that darker thought until minicamp.Hell, I didn't know Rucker even made any appearances in one of those "All Star" kinds of games. I wouldn't worry about Whitworth's potential based on that information, because all the best OTs out there struggle at times. I'd have been more concerned if Rucker had struggled under those circumstances. His success against an NFL prosepect may be what caused the Bengals to look his way in the first place. The same goes for Eric Henderson's game against D'Brick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 exactly, TDB. Given what we thought about Whitworth, then if Rucker blew past him, we pretty much had to take Rucker if availableonce again, though, I didn't see the game-- did anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Here's one guy's opinion, FWIW...USC's Frostee Rucker has more than the best name in the draft. Rucker consistently pushed his blocker upfield and generally disrupted everything on his side of the field.http://nfldraftreview.blogspot.com/2006/01...rt-nfl-day.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 That same blog entry, a few sentences earlier, said:"Eric Henderson was a terror on the edge and he only improved his stock this week". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 That same blog entry, a few sentences earlier, said:"Eric Henderson was a terror on the edge and he only improved his stock this week".He's going to be a good player to have on our practice squad this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 If henderson does not get hurt...he has the ability to find himself on the field on Sundays this fall for the bengals making an impact...Hendersons knock has been his injuries...not his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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