Round 3: DE Frostee Rucker

[Bobcat Bengal]

I understand alot of us are questioning who this guy is but to say that its the worst draft ever and Mike is now running the draft board is ridiculous. Get ahold of yourselves people. Just because Marvin and Co didnt draft who we might have fallen in love sometime over the past 2 months doesnt mean these picks are going to suck.

Just because the picks arent sexy or made with a big trade up doesnt mean they arent good. Most of us questioned Madieu and Ratliff 2 years ago or Ghiacic last year but they seem to have turned out alright. Kiper then said those guys were a round or 2 ahead of where he had them. Lets see what happens.

I will withhold my judgement until I hear what Marvin has to say and see what these guys do during Mini and Training Camp.

On a side note, I would imagine character played a huge role in this draft after they took a chance on Henry last year and he repaid them by getting in serious trouble twice. The article on Whitworth on Bengals.com supports this.

Co-signed.

Y'know, its the same, tired story every year after the draft.

Cincinnati isnt the only team that's been accused of 'reaching' in this draft,if you're going by arbitrary mock draft projections. Devin Hester, a Punt Return specialist, was picked in the second round by Chicago.

Teams aren't reaching if they have a particular guy ranked ahead of some sexy college player everybody pimps. A lotta yall (not saying any names) whiffed HARD last year on Shazor and Hawthorne.

I can go on for days about level headed, articulate, 'draft experts' so to speak, on this board as well (cough cough chriscovga) who go APE s**t, and lose my respect, for, in essence, crying like babies when your pimped player goes by us. We're not in the War Room, and never will be.

I mean, really, the worst draft ever? I would like to think reasonable people, who don't overreact, would think that we need to watch these guys, let them develop and then, a couple of seasons from now, we can make some kind of accurate assessment on them. Yeah, I was a little bummed we didn't get Pope, but hell, he went in the 3rd round, when he was projected as a first-rounder by MANY people. Did anyone reach there? I think not.

Look, We got a CB with Excellent potential, and can help us on special teams, a O-Lineman who didnt give up a sack or miss a game in like 2 seasons, and can play both sides, and a DE/OLB who makes backfield plays. Coach Lewis said the secondary and pass-rush could be improved, so they got players they felt would improve those areas.

What's the problem? I'm glad we didnt go primarily offense this day, cuz some of you would be on suicide alert.

Some of you need to get a punching bag or something.

I'm done.

[TJJackson]

12 hours later, NFL.com is still too stunned by the Frostee Rucker pick that they still have not added any analysis to the pick.

97 picks, and only one of them with "no comment".

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analyzer/round3

This guy will never be anything more than a questionable backup if he makes the team at all, and I will be sure to remind all of you swaying back and forth with glazed eyes chanting "Marvin can do no wrong" over and over again of this at the end of the season.

Seriously - message boards are all about expressing opinion. when you express the opinion "In Marvin I trust" you are in effect saying "I have no opinion" - so why express it at all?

[derekshank]

12 hours later, NFL.com is still too stunned by the Frostee Rucker pick that they still have not added any analysis to the pick.

97 picks, and only one of them with "no comment".

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analyzer/round3

This guy will never be anything more than a questionable backup if he makes the team at all, and I will be sure to remind all of you swaying back and forth with glazed eyes chanting "Marvin can do no wrong" over and over again of this at the end of the season.

Seriously - message boards are all about expressing opinion. when you express the opinion "In Marvin I trust" you are in effect saying "I have no opinion" - so why express it at all?

Did you by chance read the thread that showed all his measurables were better than Tamba Hali's? He will make the team. He will make an impact. He just won't be a starter unless we switch to the 3-4 and play him at OLB. Quit it with the doom and gloom. We're all tired of it overlydramatic bitching.

[TJJackson]

No, he won't

I'm tired of all the "in Marvin we trust" crapola, but I don't see you or any of the others cutting that out any time soon.

Incidentally -- we? Since when do you represent anyone other than yourself?

[derekshank]

No, he won't

I'm tired of all the "in Marvin we trust" crapola, but I don't see you or any of the others cutting that out any time soon.

Firstly, I never said the pick wasn't too early. I just said the guy would be okay. I also said that Marvin does miss sometimes, but I like his strategy because it produces more impact players than busts.

If you are so sure he won't make even make the squad, do you care to put your money where you're mouth is. You wanna bet something of value like a few others did this off-season? I'll bet you he matches the impact Pollack had last year. That's 14 games 22 tackles 4.5 sacks.

[TJJackson]

Other than the weekly buck for a lottery ticket, I don't gamble. Sorry dude.

I like another comparison better - how many rookie DEs taken after pick 91 outproduce Frostee Rucker in 2006.

Should be plenty

[derekshank]

Well, it would have to be DE's drafted after him. I'm not claiming he's going to produce like Mario Williams. You are arguing that he's not worth being drafted at all. I'm saying he is only a slight reach... and will out produce plenty of rookie DE's. I also think he might play some OLB... but as I said, I'll wait to hear that from Marvin.

He might be a bust, but I'm not going to pass judgment on this guy as a loser simply because Mel Kiper didn't rate him high. There are plenty of write-ups on him that say he will be a good player, so call me naive if you want in my loyalty to Marvin. I trust him more than Kiper.

Marvin could be wrong, but I'm not about to go on suicide watch and over-react. Moderation is a virtue.

[HoTbOy]

I too am guilty of the In MLewis I trust, because he has us where we are today, if not for him we may have been picking RBush/MWilliams so yeah he has made some strikes, but he also has some home runs...

[Spain]

I too am tired of the bitch feast. Looka ta the Perry draft how many of you bitched forever. That got us Perry , Maduie Williams and Keiwan. Hey Derek if him and Pollak were nto different colours they even look the same on film. Im really warming up to this 14.5 TFl playing against real competition. Ive always held the TFL in higher respects than sacks. Its the same thing the oponents going backwards. This looks like Marvin wants two greg loyd type LBs. Frostie wouldnt suprise me if he had the biggest impact of all the choices. This could be a steal.

Smoking Hash is good for you!

[ArmyBengal]

Smoking Hash is good for you!

Yeah, if you enjoy looking like a mentally retarded monkey with his head up his a$$ who can't spell and needs to give a decoder ring to all Bengalzone Members to decipher what the hell it is you post in your threads !!! Other than that, yeah, it's great !!! You're still my boy Spain...

NOW WHERE'S MY MONEY B*TCH !!!

Oh yeah, lets hope Rucker can provide the elusive pass rush we so desperately need !!!

WHODEY !!!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Well we gotta guy named Frostee and a pear shaped, long-haired Samoan named Peko - can't be that bad.

[Kazkal]

gotta love how fans know best and think this is a reach and hate for passing on mark anderson,mcclover and other DE's

they were projected 2nd/3rd frostee 5th yet frostee goes in 3rd and them end of the 5th and later =P

[andybren]

Seriously - message boards are all about expressing opinion. when you express the opinion "In Marvin I trust" you are in effect saying "I have no opinion" - so why express it at all?

Message boards are also for discussion. Many people like to discuss an issue before forming an opinion. We don't need to come out with an extreme point-of-view then refuse to be convinced differently.

And for what it's worth, my interpretation of "In Marvin I Trust" is "I don't understand/agree with what Marvin is doing, but I'll concede that he knows a a lot more about football than myself or anybody else on this board."

And that is an opinion.

[TJJackson]

And for what it's worth, my interpretation of "In Marvin I Trust" is "I don't understand/agree with what Marvin is doing, but I'll concede that he knows a a lot more about football than myself or anybody else on this board."

And that is an opinion.

My take on "In Marvin We Trust" is "My own opinion isn't worth expressing - the only opinion that matters is Marvin's and I'll stand behind his opinion as being right even if he re-hires Akili Smith to be our new starting QB"

It really isn't an opinion, it's a cop out. A refusal or reluctance to express one's own opinion.

[ArmyBengal]

And for what it's worth, my interpretation of "In Marvin I Trust" is "I don't understand/agree with what Marvin is doing, but I'll concede that he knows a a lot more about football than myself or anybody else on this board."

And that is an opinion.

My take on "In Marvin We Trust" is "My own opinion isn't worth expressing - the only opinion that matters is Marvin's and I'll stand behind his opinion as being right even if he re-hires Akili Smith to be our new starting QB"

It really isn't an opinion, it's a cop out. A refusal or reluctance to express one's own opinion.

TJ, dude that is an extreme view on the saying itself, but I get where you are going with it. Once again, I think (for the most part) the saying has to do with trusting the fact that Marvin probably knows more than 99% of the people on this board when it comes to players and given his track record, he deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. This is not to say you can't have your own opinion on the matter at hand, because God knows there are some iffy things I see with this years draft, but that's my opinion on it. I would say, just don't take it to heart and for those of you that are DEAD SERIOUS about the saying and truly believe you don't have the "right" to complain or voice your concern about what your team is doing, then might I suggest a move somewhere where they appreciate your "follow blindly" attitude---> Iran !!!

WHODEY !!!

[andybren]

And for what it's worth, my interpretation of "In Marvin I Trust" is "I don't understand/agree with what Marvin is doing, but I'll concede that he knows a a lot more about football than myself or anybody else on this board."

And that is an opinion.

My take on "In Marvin We Trust" is "My own opinion isn't worth expressing - the only opinion that matters is Marvin's and I'll stand behind his opinion as being right even if he re-hires Akili Smith to be our new starting QB"

It really isn't an opinion, it's a cop out. A refusal or reluctance to express one's own opinion.

TJ, dude that is an extreme view on the saying itself, but I get where you are going with it. Once again, I think (for the most part) the saying has to do with trusting the fact that Marvin probably knows more than 99% of the people on this board when it comes to players and given his track record, he deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. This is not to say you can't have your own opinion on the matter at hand, because God knows there are some iffy things I see with this years draft, but that's my opinion on it. I would say, just don't take it to heart and for those of you that are DEAD SERIOUS about the saying and truly believe you don't have the "right" to complain or voice your concern about what your team is doing, then might I suggest a move somewhere where they appreciate your "follow blindly" attitude---> Iran !!!

WHODEY !!!

Please show me the person on this board that knows more about football than Marvin! I guess it's possible that Paul Brown faked his death and is lurking in some Palm Beach internet lounge.

If a person's entire post is "In Marvin I Trust", then yes, it is a cop out. And a waste of everybody's time.

But just because a person hasn't formed an opinion, or isn't willing to say "I AM RIGHT AND MARVIN IS WRONG" doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to post on your board.

And despite all the "worst draft ever" posts, there is room for reasonable people to discuss and/or debate.

[TJJackson]

How is the opinion that "picking player x was a horrible choice" not worthy of discussion?

Are we not permitted to consider that Marvin might be wrong?

You ask if those of us who don't like the selection of player X to consider that player X might be great. Why then is it unreasonable for us to in turn ask you to consider that player X might suck?

Follow blindly if that's your preference, but it doesn't lead to discussion. Don't tell me "marvin must be right", tell me why the player could be great or at the very least, why he will not suck.

[membengal]

TJ...mostly because no matter who the Bengals take it seems, you scream like you have been assaulted by the guys from Deliverance...for years, exactly the same way.

For most of us, we just tune you out now, which is too bad, sometimes you have insight. But when you seemingly react the same way no matter what, it is impossible to discuss anything. Mostly, you come off like a clown.

[TJJackson]

Really.

Perhaps you should read my response to the JJ pick

Also, I only just signed up here a year ago, so to speak of years - you have me confused with someone else.

I am passionate about the draft, and when the Bengals draft poorly, as they have this year, I am upset. Yes. Is it wrong to be passionate about a subject? To care about the fortunes of my favorite NFL team? If not, why are any of us spending time on this message board?

[membengal]

And last year, when you did exactly the same thing? For seven rounds? What about that?

There's a reason derek and me and others have tuned you out. Seriously, there is a way to do this without coming off like you do, just sayin'.

For instance, I found the Rucker pick curious, and my eyebrows are raised. I think they reached. We shall see, much will depend if he really goes outside in a 3-4 someday. For now, I will have to see how it pans out.

I can look back three years and form some opinions, anyone who thought they reached for Caleb Miller? Come on down, looks like that was right. But it has taken until now to know...

[andybren]

How is the opinion that "picking player x was a horrible choice" not worthy of discussion?

Are we not permitted to consider that Marvin might be wrong?

You ask if those of us who don't like the selection of player X to consider that player X might be great. Why then is it unreasonable for us to in turn ask you to consider that player X might suck?

Follow blindly if that's your preference, but it doesn't lead to discussion. Don't tell me "marvin must be right", tell me why the player could be great or at the very least, why he will not suck.

Please show me where anybody said you can't criticize a pick. Or question Marvin's decisions. Or that you can't criticize somebody for blindly agreeing with everything Marvin says/does.

Unclench, okay?

[TJJackson]

And last year, when you did exactly the same thing? For seven rounds? What about that?

Nope, you definitely have me mistaken for someone else

I was very happy about the r1 pick, having no idea Pollack would hold out like he did. I was ecstatic about it, and said so

More or less the same on pick 2, Thurman.

Early after the pick of Henry, I was incensed as we had enough WRs and greater needs on defense (just like this year). I wanted a S or Center at this pick. After reading about what a geat talent he was, I came around to him by the next day, and said so on these boards

I was not thrilled with the pick of Ghiaciuc, as I felt the top C (Wilkerson) had been skipped, but acknowleged that at least a solid player had been taken at a position of need, so this was OK.

The ones I was very unhappy about, similar to this years outrageous picks, were Kieft , Tab, and Fanene. I looked at a team who had great needs that went unaddressed, had great depth at WR, and yet took TWO MORE WRs. I also felt Kenny Watson was/is a good KR, and I didn;t want to see him get replaced by Tab.

So....I was angry about picks 5 6 7....not the whole draft

[ArmyBengal]

ANDYBURR, you got me with the 99% quote and I agree. It's just one of those buzzword sayings, but yeah, I'd be suprised to find someone on here with more knowledge than Marvin.

I don't care what people have to say and yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions and deserves to post on this board.

(NOT OWNED BY ME)

I'm not use to people needing to have their opinion given to them, so that may take some getting use to !!! Although come to think of it, Billy would your ex-wife fit that role ???

Oh yeah, "Cold Mother Rucker"...

WHODEY !!!

[Spain]

TJ yoour a know it all! Do you know more than a organization of scouts with top dollar! Please! Shut up we dont get to interview the guys! Marvin has us at the point of a SB. We dont know s**te.

[jjakq27]

You know, just to lighten the mood, if Rucker ends up being good, you guys could be on to something with this name calling stuff.

Think about it. The guy makes a sack, Odell stands up and screams, "Dats a bad mother Rucker!"

Or perhaps Fuddruckers could have a prize giveway when Frostee makes more that three tackles in a game.

Or they could have a Mr. Frosty giveway. Kind of like a bobble-head day.