Round 3: DE Frostee Rucker

[andybren]

Man this has to be our worst draft ever! How can we pass on Gabe Watson or Ko SImpson!

I want to believe in Marvin we Trust but it is so hard! Rnd 1 was ok but man they are just killing me!

Obviously we aren't the only team passing on Simpson and Watson.

EXACTLY!

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Get over it.

Ditto that.

Worst draft ever? Were you not alive in the 90's?

You guys need to take it down a notch. Marvin and the Tobins have more than demonstrated their ability to scout players. "In Marvin We Trust" is getting to be a cliche, but obviously it rings true.

How about we not act like we're coming off a 2-14 season. Okay?

[TJJackson]

Awful, abysmal draft. Just horrid.

Three shots at players who would probably be starters - maybe just part time, but still - and instead we get a special teamer, a major project, and DE who will probably not even make the practice squad for a team with a relatively poor defensive line.

I'm in shock.

How about we not act like we're coming off a 2-14 season. Okay?

How about you realize that last year was last year, and we'd like to win - stay with me now - this upcoming year, and the year after that, and - stay with me - the year after that.

This means drafting well is important. You don't take a year off. You can't if you want to keep winning.

So you keep drinking the koolaid and telling yourself "all is well!!!!" like this guy

[Spor_tees]

Maybe Marvin thought he was ordering a Frostee Mug of Beer?

I hav not been this dissappointed in the Bengals since the lose to the Browns that took them out of the play-off. How can a team not draft a TE or a S in the first 3 Rounds? I'm still in shock!

[schweinhart]

I can't wait to see Whitworth and Rucker in mini-camp so we can enjoy the players that Marvin chose to put us back in the playoffs in 06.

Whitworth I buy, even though I'd rather they signed their own for a couple reasons and not have drafted an O-Lineman at all much less in the 2nd.

But Frostee Freaking Mother Rucker......I guess we'll see unless he winds up on the other list with Mathias Askew and Caleb Miller and the PT doesn't pan out. I would have much rather seen them draft Mark Anderson than Rucker. But, like you say, nobody else has drafted him either so it's all wait-see.

Jeez.....Frostee Rucker.

[Spor_tees]

How can you use the analogy that:

Get over it. Watson and "Ko" are not on our draft board. It appears they're not on anyone else's either at this point. I can't wait to see Whitworth and Rucker in mini-camp so we can enjoy the players that Marvin chose to put us back in the playoffs in 06.

How do we know Frostee Mother Rucker was on anyone's draft board other than ours? Obviously no one else had drafted him yet either. So maybe he sucks as bad if not worse than Watson or Simpson.

[BTG]

Rucker wasn't even rated in the top 150 on any draft ratings, yet the Bengals took him with the 91st pick. I mean, I watched this guy quit on a few plays when I watched the USC/Texas game again on ESPN yesterday and I said out loud, "I hope the Bengals don't take that guy...I sure don't want him on my team."

Amazing.

[TJJackson]

To further illustrate the point of just exactly how bad this pick was/is, I refer you to the NFL Draft Tracker pages on NFL.Com

Here's the round 3 link

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analyzer/round3

Go through every round, right now, 10:20 pm when the draft has been over a half hour or so, and tell me if you can find a single pick without a line of analysis

You'll find that one sole solitary unanalyzed pick -- at #91, under the name of Frostee Rucker.

All the analysts try to do is write a line or two of basically positive comments about the player.

Three analysts - Brandt, Kirwan, and Carucci (mostly Brandt in r3) - are adding their comments. Not a one commented on Rucker, despite having done so on each of the other 96 players selected.

I think they too are in shock

I guess at one point someone will write in "a better pick than Freddie Childress". Maybe.

[DontPushMe]

^^^ Sounds good, lets hire Gil Brandt as our new GM. Because he knows best.

This means drafting well is important. You don't take a year off. You can't if you want to keep winning.

LMFAO

Yeah, thats gotta be what happened. Marvin and Mike sat down together and decided to take this draft off. Man you really are clueless. They have looked into these players way more than people like you, if they were taking the draft off, they would be drafting the players that people like you are screaming for round after round as every team continues to pass on them.

Too bad we passed on Antaaj Hawthorne last season.

[jjakq27]

How can you use the analogy that:

Get over it. Watson and "Ko" are not on our draft board. It appears they're not on anyone else's either at this point. I can't wait to see Whitworth and Rucker in mini-camp so we can enjoy the players that Marvin chose to put us back in the playoffs in 06.

How do we know Frostee Mother Rucker was on anyone's draft board other than ours? Obviously no one else had drafted him yet either. So maybe he sucks as bad if not worse than Watson or Simpson.

In Marvin We Trust........

Shazor train leaving from platform 1 in five minutes..............

[scott91575]

To everyone saying the pick is ok...it's not that the guy sucks. Who knows. It's the fact he could have been had in the 5th or 6th round. Even Mel couldn't respond to the guy. He got 6 1/2 sacks in a pass happy Pac 10. That adds up to about 1 in the NFL. Terrible pick.

[gobengals19]

I thought I was reading my kids Disney book when I got on here.

I understand alot of us are questioning who this guy is but to say that its the worst draft ever and Mike is now running the draft board is ridiculous. Get ahold of yourselves people. Just because Marvin and Co didnt draft who we might have fallen in love sometime over the past 2 months doesnt mean these picks are going to suck.

Just because the picks arent sexy or made with a big trade up doesnt mean they arent good. Most of us questioned Madieu and Ratliff 2 years ago or Ghiacic last year but they seem to have turned out alright. Kiper then said those guys were a round or 2 ahead of where he had them. Lets see what happens.

I will withhold my judgement until I hear what Marvin has to say and see what these guys do during Mini and Training Camp.

On a side note, I would imagine character played a huge role in this draft after they took a chance on Henry last year and he repaid them by getting in serious trouble twice. The article on Whitworth on Bengals.com supports this.

[GapControl]

Gabe Watson will be gone in the 4th now. I still don`t see the need for a DE. I guess this dude, the Frostee from Shell Gas Station, is a tweener that may be helpful in the 3-4 package. Don`t get it. I mean, the comment on the East-West Shrine game makes me think that Marvin likes to put lots of worth into College Allstar games. I know he did so at other times. Overall, I am really disappointed and I don`t think the Bengals will grade well nationally after the 1st day.

[walshfan]

Frostee Rucker started for Southern Cal... They have reserves that could start for other colleges....

Is he going to be a great player.. no but he has something that Marvin wanted.. He can put pressure on the QB.. He has a very quick first step to get around OT's ...

He's also a great lockeroom guy.. Keeps everyone real loose with his mannerism and then is all business on the field firing everyone up.

He's like a coach on the field...

dont sell this guy short so quickly.

At least lets see how he plays huh?

[AGrizzlyBaer]

i am shaking my head in total disbelief at these pick .

1st rd. a player that would have been there in the2nd

woah settle down there joseph was the one solid pick he was the second fastest player of the combine. and a solid corner

[Spor_tees]

# Sel# Team Player Pos. School

27 91 Cincinnati Frostee Rucker DE Southern California

Pick Analysis

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It's sooo sad that it is actually funny!

[derekshank]

People were pissed last year when we kept passing on Hawthorne out of Wisconsin and Shazor. Remember the whole Shazor train thing? This year it is Simpson and Watson. How about we quit acting like Mel Kiper knows what he's talking about. This happens year in/year out. He analyzes talent outside of a teams plan and scheme, and has no idea what the Bengals plan is.

As the previous poster mentioned... a lot of people were pissed about the Madieu pick, the Ratliff pick, the Landon Johnson pick... and the list goes on.

I have no idea if this draft will turn out as successfully as in years past, but let's reserve judgment until later on. This is certainly not as bad as drafts we had in the 90's... and my guess is that these picks will turn out fine. As the commentators on ESPN said earlier today "Marvin has never been wrong in the past." They're not even Bengal fans... so have some faith.

He has his plan, and he turned this team from a 2-14 debacle to a playoff team in 3 years. Just shut up. For the first time in recent memory we don't have to use the draft to fill drastic holes to keep us competitive, and all I hear is bitching.

[scott91575]

I'm not pissed on who that passed on as much as taking Frostee Rucker in the 3rd. He would be there in round 4, and more than likley 5 or 6. That is what I am pissed about.

[Spor_tees]

People were pissed last year when we kept passing on Hawthorne out of Wisconsin and Shazor. Remember the whole Shazor train thing? This year it is Simpson and Watson. How about we quit acting like Mel Kiper knows what he's talking about. This happens year in/year out. He analyzes talent outside of a teams plan and scheme, and has no idea what the Bengals plan is.

As the previous poster mentioned... a lot of people were pissed about the Madieu pick, the Ratliff pick, the Landon Johnson pick... and the list goes on.

I have no idea if this draft will turn out as successfully as in years past, but let's reserve judgment until later on. This is certainly not as bad as drafts we had in the 90's... and my guess is that these picks will turn out fine. As the commentators on ESPN said earlier today "Marvin has never been wrong in the past." They're not even Bengal fans... so have some faith.

He has his plan, and he turned this team from a 2-14 debacle to a playoff team in 3 years. Just shut up. For the first time in recent memory we don't have to use the draft to fill drastic holes to keep us competitive, and all I hear is bitching.

It' not about "falling in love" with a guy, it's about the fact that the Bengals reached for some of these players. Frostee Rucker in the 3rd Round? Come on now...

We better get Day tomorrow.

[Stripes]

Frostee Rucker?

Let me ask again, perhaps it was a joke...

Frostee Rucker?!

I don't give a crap how good me might be (Lord knows he doesn't look it), this was the THIRD FROSTEE MOTHER RUCKING ROUND.

He could have been had well after the 4th. Eric Henderson? Mark Anderson? DE's galore.

Note to Marvin: I am fully prepared to gobble pounds of crow. Make it happen!

[derekshank]

People were pissed last year when we kept passing on Hawthorne out of Wisconsin and Shazor. Remember the whole Shazor train thing? This year it is Simpson and Watson. How about we quit acting like Mel Kiper knows what he's talking about. This happens year in/year out. He analyzes talent outside of a teams plan and scheme, and has no idea what the Bengals plan is.

As the previous poster mentioned... a lot of people were pissed about the Madieu pick, the Ratliff pick, the Landon Johnson pick... and the list goes on.

I have no idea if this draft will turn out as successfully as in years past, but let's reserve judgment until later on. This is certainly not as bad as drafts we had in the 90's... and my guess is that these picks will turn out fine. As the commentators on ESPN said earlier today "Marvin has never been wrong in the past." They're not even Bengal fans... so have some faith.

He has his plan, and he turned this team from a 2-14 debacle to a playoff team in 3 years. Just shut up. For the first time in recent memory we don't have to use the draft to fill drastic holes to keep us competitive, and all I hear is bitching.

It' not about "falling in love" with a guy, it's about the fact that the Bengals reached for some of these players. Frostee Rucker in the 3rd Round? Come on now...

We better get Day tomorrow.

I won't say I disagree... but how do we know that? Just because Kiper doesn't have a high ranking on him? If the Bengals have him as the highest name left on their board, you have two options. Either take him, or trade the pick. If the Bengals are the only team in the NFL that had him rated this high, then we can fault them for not being educated enough about the rest of the league's draft board (similar to the Bills DT they traded up to get).

I guess the only point I have is that if Marvin had him ranked this high... I'm willing to bet that at least one other team had him ranked fairly high as well. Was it a reach? Certainly from Mel Kiper's perspective... and probably even from a lot of other teams too. But we all agreed that DE was an area of need, so if this was their highest ranked DE left on the board... and we all wanted a first day DE, then we have to take it.

I'm not asking you to be happy about it. I don't know anything about this guy either... but I'm going to reserve judgment. I didn't speak out in anger about a Madieu Williams pick I didn't understand, and I ended up being pretty happy about it.

I don't have any NFL team's draft board in front of me... and sad to say, I'm not an NFL scout. My guess is that the same facts apply to the rest of you... so it would be wise for you to take the wait and see approach as well. Otherwise you end up looking ignorant a lot of the time.

[cincy9275]

i am shaking my head in total disbelief at these pick .

1st rd. a player that would have been there in the2nd

woah settle down there joseph was the one solid pick he was the second fastest player of the combine. and a solid corner

this guy played 11 total div 1 games that makes him a solid corner more like a project he could be a good corner a year or two from now but how does that help us in the up coming season. there were alot of better players on the board and you could have got him in the 2nd.

[derekshank]

i am shaking my head in total disbelief at these pick .

1st rd. a player that would have been there in the2nd

woah settle down there joseph was the one solid pick he was the second fastest player of the combine. and a solid corner

this guy played 11 total div 1 games that makes him a solid corner more like a project he could be a good corner a year or two from now but how does that help us in the up coming season. there were alot of better players on the board and you could have got him in the 2nd.

Well, since you sem to be putting so much stock in the "expert" opinions that talk about where these players deserve to go... Mel had Joseph ranked as the best DB available... and had him above Cromartie. It is very doubtful that he would have been there at pick 55.

[scott91575]

Frostee was projected as a 7th rounder. I'm sorry, but you may ignore some of the stuff, but these guys don't miss that much. He had little college production, small measurables, etc. Why take him in the 3rd?

[NJ29]

You know, just to lighten the mood, if Rucker ends up being good, you guys could be on to something with this name calling stuff.

Think about it. The guy makes a sack, Odell stands up and screams, "Dats a bad mother Rucker!"

[derekshank]

Frostee was projected as a 7th rounder. I'm sorry, but you may ignore some of the stuff, but these guys don't miss that much. He had little college production, small measurables, etc. Why take him in the 3rd?

Okay.... Antajj Hawthorne was projected as a late 1st rounder last year. Ko Simpson was projected as a 2nd rounder this year. Then there are the endless numbers of late round guys that were taken "too early" that end up in the pro-bowl. Since when do the "experts" not miss that much?