Bears Getting Lots of Calls for 26/Bengals trade up/down?

[HoosierCat]

The topic of the Bengals trading down has surfaced a few times in the past couple months, most recently by your truly in the Big Board thread. Saw this on kffl (emphasis added...

Bears | Team receiving offers for No. 26 pick

Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:54:57 -0700

Larry Mayer, of ChicagoBears.com, reports Chicago Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said several teams have called to inquire about trading up or trading down for the team's No. 26 overall draft choice. Angelo added, "I'm surprised that we're getting calls. We're getting a lot of calls, more calls than normal this time of year. They could all go away, but I think you're going to see a lot of (trade) activity, and you already have. Two teams already made trades and I think that's pretty telling."

With the Bengals sitting pretty at 24, you have to think that some of the same calls are coming into the front office at PBS. And honestly there's no "must have" likely to be there, at least for the bengals, at 24. On top of that, lots of the names being tossed around as the 24th pick will still be there in the first half of the second round. Some longer.

In similar vein, there's been some talk of trying to trade up to grab someone like Super Mario -- tho that would cost big-time -- or perhaps jumping up if Bunkley or Ngata should slip out of the top 10.

Sounds like there are some deals percolating...see if anything boils by draft day. Personally, I lean toward trading down. If someone in the top 6-8 picks should want to give up, say, their second and third. But trading up has its attractions, too...

[BengalChamps]

Its hard to believe ML trading up, but if he were to do it, this might be the year. The offensive pieces are mostly in place, except for TE. If the right defender were available, maybe ML would make the move. I just cant imagine us moving into the top 15. It would just cost too much. I would LOVE to see the Bengals draft board!!

[TJJackson]

I would consider trading up only for the following (and in no particular order)

Mario Williams

Vernon Davis

Broderick Bunkley

only

[Stripes]

I doubt we'll trade up. Just doesn't sound very Marvinish. We're close to a complete team, but I don't think giving up picks for a potential star is ever the answer. We'll have plenty of options at #24, or even in the top of the 2nd round if we trade down (I'd like that).

[TJJackson]

I can agree with that

[Kazkal]

I would consider trading up only for the following (and in no particular order)

Mario Williams

Vernon Davis

Broderick Bunkley

only

if ngata fell too 11 i'd be ok with us trading with the rams

[ArmyBengal]

I to think it would cost to much to move up and as much as I love V. Davis, I would hate to give up picks to add to our offense when our defense needs work. I like the idea of trading down to get more day one picks !!!

That being said, if we were to move up and give up anything, I think the one piece would be adding Super Mario. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Ngata or Bunkley in the middle with Big Sam, but a pass rushing DE to team with Justin would be huge !!! Justin would have a stellar year adding another DE who could get to the QB.

WHODEY !!!

[R-U-D-I]

With no area of "major" need, I find it highly likely that someone unexpectantly slips and we trade down 4-8 slots and pick up another 3rd rounder. Marvin likes to accumulate picks. That's my prediction.

[walzav29]

I think they'll keep it if Winston Justice is available. If not they will drop down and accumulate picks. There are too many equally rated players that are coming out. Why give a guy 1st rnd money when you can give the same guy 2nd round money. Either way this is the most relaxed I've been by a draft. In Marvin I trust.

[Section 310]

Given the value to be had in picks 20-40 a trade would

seem to make sense. However, to make this happen

a player needs to slip badly. I would love to see the

Bengals drop down into the top of the second round

if it meant an extra pick in the 3rd or 4th.

[Dirk Funk]

You remember a few years back when the Vikes were on the clock and didn't select for like 2 picks later... BMcKinnie was the pick.

How does that work and could this be an option for the Bengals? I assume you just can't not pick then pick when you want?

Can anyone shed some light?

Bop

[Stripes]

There's another thread up with similar intentions... Time for a merge.

Back on topic, I think that the Bengals are in a very good position to trade down, and will be taking plenty of calls come draft day.

[HoosierCat]

You remember a few years back when the Vikes were on the clock and didn't select for like 2 picks later... BMcKinnie was the pick.

How does that work and could this be an option for the Bengals? I assume you just can't not pick then pick when you want?

Can anyone shed some light?

Bop

If you don't makke a pick in your alloted time then the next team in line goes on the clock. You can still pick at any time, but other teams have a chance to leapfrog you. It's occasionally bandied about as a way to lower costs -- take the guy a few spots lower and pay him for where he was actually picked, not technically picked -- but I don't find anything to recommend the idea. Better to just take the best guy on your board if you can't trade the selection.

[derekshank]

Trading down is a good thing for building long term success. The Broncos and Pats both have a ton of 1st day picks this year, so I'd be in favor of it.

However, I would want to wait until draft day... more specifically, until I see a few specific names go off the board. I would be pretty pissed if we traded our pick now, and then Whitner fell to our spot, but because we traded it, we see him go someplace else.

[Tasher]

This trade-up chatter is crazy talk!

Check Brandt's pick value board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9341444

#24 is worth 740 and #55 worth 350 = 1090

So we could possibly jump to 14 (1100) or 15 (1050) IF the club was willing to swap EQUAL value, usually the club offering has to overprice the trades for the spot they want, so now you are talking about giving up 4 or more picks (cause you know that Marv wants #55, considering his track record with 2nd rounders!) by bottling up mid and low round picks, which no one will want to swap for.

Come on.

Any movement will happen within 3-5 picks of ours one way or another to try to pick up an extra pick. But look at the roster, there are already a ton of folks that will not make the 53 man roster as it is. So I doubt that we try to pick up any extra picks to stock MORE rookies on an already young team.

If anything we trade multiple late round picks to get an extra high 2nd rounder and come with 4 or 5 rooks to camp.

(1st, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 7th) = my bet.

[schweinhart]

That extra high 2nd rounder would be costly. The chart adds up to the Bengals 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th to get the Jets 2nd rounder at #35.

A middle 2nd round pick wouldn't be nowhere near as steep but they'd have to like someone an awful lot to lose a 4th to go up to #51 or lose their 4th, 6th and 1st 7th to move up to #48.

I kinda hope they at least keep their picks and maybe add one. There's still enough holes on the team to think every drafted player has a reasonable shot to be an upgrade and stick.

[Bengalbob]

One of the things talked about is the Jets moving up from their 2nd round pick to try to get Mangold. The Bengals would be a good fit foor this:

Jets -- 2.41 (490) + 3.72 (230) = 720

Bengals -- 1.24 (740) = 740

With a 20 point differential I'm sure they could get it done. Heck, the Jets could even throw in a 7th rounder if necessary (though I agree with Tasher, no need to hog picks with the roster wee already have). That would give the Bengals two 2nds (41 and 55) and two thirds (72 and 91). Worth doing? I think so. That range (41-91) is the sweet spot for all of the CB, Safety, TE, and DE prospects. Also, the Jets' 2nd rounder (41) is olny 17 spots lower that our 1st. Not a big step down.

[HoosierCat]

Unless I missed a trade, the Jets have Nos. 35 and 71. So their totals would be 785.

I would do that deal. But I think the Jets would want a 5th or 6th from the Bengals, too. I'd probably still do that.

[Bengalbob]

Unless I missed a trade, the Jets have Nos. 35 and 71. So their totals would be 785.

I would do that deal. But I think the Jets would want a 5th or 6th from the Bengals, too. I'd probably still do that.

My bad. I was throwing Arizona's picks in there.

[ArmyBengal]

Unless I missed a trade, the Jets have Nos. 35 and 71. So their totals would be 785.

I would do that deal. But I think the Jets would want a 5th or 6th from the Bengals, too. I'd probably still do that.

I agree with that as well... Do it in a heartbeat !!! Extra picks even in the 4th would be huge in reagrds to getting players in the positions we need. The draft is deep for our team needs and can't see how we wouldn't consider this VERY strongly !!!

WHODEY !!!

[HoosierCat]

Random trade rumors from kffl:

Jets | Rumor alert: NFL Draft trade?Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:46:30 -0700

Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports one rumor making the rounds has the New York Jets (No. 4) swapping their first-round pick with the Oakland Raiders (No. 7), who want a quarterback. The Jets then select Oregon DT Haloti Ngata with the seventh pick. The Jets don't have a pure nose tackle for their new 3-4 scheme.

Steelers | Team expected to try to trade up in first-round?Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:09:41 -0700

Jim Wexell, of the Tribune-Democrat, reports the Pittsburgh Steelers have 10 draft picks for the NFL Draft, but do not have 10 openings. As a result, the team is expected to attempt to trade up in the first round of the draft. The team's director of football operations, Kevin Colbert, said, "We'll be open to use some of those extra picks for the possibility of moving, sure."

Ravens | Team official dismisses R. Lewis trade rumors?Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:00:27 -0700

Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports a Baltimore Ravens official dismissed trade rumors surrounding Ravens MLB Ray Lewis, saying no team has called to express interest in Lewis. Lewis created a stir last week when he failed to endorse the return of head coach Brian Billick and criticized the team's defensive scheme and personnel.

[schweinhart]

OTOH the Jets and Bengals could just swap #24 and #29 and the Bengals would get a high 4th in a pretty much even deal chart wise. Still should be some solid players that early in the 4th.

[Stripes]

OTOH the Jets and Bengals could just swap #24 and #29 and the Bengals would get a high 4th in a pretty much even deal chart wise. Still should be some solid players that early in the 4th.

I'd love that, and I think the Jets might as well. That'd give them a clear shot at Mangold, and I think he'd better for the Jets than anyone else. With that 4th we can pursue that ever popular tight end, and still grab more defense in the round. Moving down those 5 spots in the first might mean the difference between a Cromartie and a Johnathan Joseph or Ashton Yobouty, but I can dig it.

[Bobcat Bengal]

I can see the Steelers leapfrogging ahead of Miami to grab Whitner.

Whitner and Polamalu in the same backfield?

uh-oh.

[ArmyBengal]

Whitner and Polamalu in the same backfield?

uh-oh.

STOP IT, STOP IT RIGHT NOW !!! That sh*t isn't even funny !!!

WHODEY !!!