cincykid06 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 from the Squeelers. I think he's worth a first round pick and and Pittsburgh doesn't have cap room to match if we make the right offer. Hate to say it but he really seems to have Chad's #. He would look good in Bengals Stripes don't you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eclipse99t Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't know if he's worth a first round pick or anything like that, but he's a solid corner, and I would love to have him starting opposite Deltha, with Tory as the nickel back. I still think we should draft a CB in the draft, perhaps Jason Allen or Antonio Cromartie, simply because they have the potential to be shutdown corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 THis isn't a bad idea, not bad at allHe's a proven quality CB, young, and would hurt our primary division rival.I'd strongly conside this move if I was in charge, but Marvin loves his draft picks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincykid06 Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I don't know if he's worth a first round pick or anything like that, but he's a solid corner, and I would love to have him starting opposite Deltha, with Tory as the nickel back. I still think we should draft a CB in the draft, perhaps Jason Allen or Antonio Cromartie, simply because they have the potential to be shutdown corners.I don't know- I hate the Steelers but don't like our chance of overtaking them until we improve our Defense. I remember even in the dark years we always had our way with their secondary. And now, as we approach the level of an elite team it seems like the Steelers have a corner who owns Chad. I think that was the big difference between us ultimately- Defense. Hope we address it bigtime in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Wouldn't it make more sense to just save the money we would spend on him and sign Charles Woodson and keep our #1 Draft pick? He was born and raised in Ohio...so maybe he is a Bengal's fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Woodson is a problem child, and has not been an elite player for a few years now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Woodson is a problem child, and has not been an elite player for a few years nowDeltha was seen as a problem child in Denver and look what he has done under Marvin, Bresh, and Coyle. A lot of people give on these plaers way to early. He also has been hurt the last couple of years and forced to come back too soon. With the guys we already have, I can't see giving up a draft pick for a high priced player when it can be addressed in another way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I do NOT think Ike Taylor is worth a first round pick. Good thing for me, though, that Marvin will not be engaging in this endeavor. If we need a cornerback that badly, I'd rather grab the gimp in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 But is 1) gaining Ike Taylor plus 2) the subtraction of a quality young corner from the defensive capability of the Steelers plus3) gaining inside knowlege of the Pittsburgh defensive schemeworth a late (24) first round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 But is 1) gaining Ike Taylor plus 2) the subtraction of a quality young corner from the defensive capability of the Steelers plus3) gaining inside knowlege of the Pittsburgh defensive schemeworth a late (24) first round pick? I honestly don't think so. A first round pick is a big deal, and I can only imagine what great young player the Steelers would get with that 24th pick that we'd be missing out on. Taylor doesn't really impress me much anyways. He was successful against Chad, but other than that, he was an above average rookie as far as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Uhhh no...Not worth a first round pick, a second maybe, but not a first. Besides, since when did we ever pony up any cash on a FA before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 most steelers fans arent that impressed with him, and they would stand to let him walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Fair enoughI thought it worth a clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'd take the cheaper more talented draft pick.Kind of like marvin IMO would rather have Nick Mangold over Lecharles Bentley, just due to the fact that he'd cost $4-5 million less a season if drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'd take the cheaper more talented draft pick.Kind of like marvin IMO would rather have Nick Mangold over Lecharles Bentley, just due to the fact that he'd cost $4-5 million less a season if drafted.You hit it on the head TP. The draft pick that you are going to get is going to come a hell of alot cheaper. Not to mention, we're not talking about Deion Sanders in his prime here. We could draft one in the first that could potentially be better than Taylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 One of the best post here in a long time. The new paradigm is to get proven restricted free agents that might cost you a draft pick ,but they are hitting their prime. Thats the real ? That we need to steal soon to be stars like the texans. Because they got what they paid for in Walter. The guy will be good for them. Maybe we should rethink free agency. The real deals might be in stealing project payers drafted in the late rounds that have panned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Give the Steelers a first round pick for a slightly better than average cornerback so they can draft a new one who's just as good with their pick and use our pick to get the safety/tight end/defensive lineman we really need? No thanks.One of the best post here in a long time. The new paradigm is to get proven restricted free agents that might cost you a draft pick ,but they are hitting their prime. Thats the real ? That we need to steal soon to be stars like the texans. Because they got what they paid for in Walter. The guy will be good for them. Maybe we should rethink free agency. The real deals might be in stealing project payers drafted in the late rounds that have panned out.Why on earth would we do that when we have a scouting department and coaches who can draft the right guys ourselves as rookies. It's just plain silly. Now grabbing late round guys who are restricted and are only going to cost a late round pick is one thing. Grabbing guys who will cost multiple picks or first day picks is DUMB AS DOGs**t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 There is no guarentee that the corner that the Steelers could draft at 24 would be as good as Ike TaylorIn fact, it is no better than a 50/50 that the player will even start in 2006, much less produce at a QUALITY level approaching Ike'sAll I am saying here is that we have a winning team NOW and should at least look at options that increases our chances of advancing in the playoffs NOW. First round draft picks offer much potential, but no guarentees. With a player like Taylor, you know what you are getting from the get-go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 There is no guarentee that the corner that the Steelers could draft at 24 would be as good as Ike TaylorThere's no guarantee that our 1st round pick we spent on Ike Taylor won't be riding the pine behind our two former pro-bowl corners. There's no guarantee that Ike Taylor won't suck worse than Greg Brooks without proper safeties behind him.There IS, however, a guarantee that we have bigger needs than a slightly better than average cornerback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 whatever dude :-)all I am saying is that the approach is a valid consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincykid06 Posted March 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 There is no guarentee that the corner that the Steelers could draft at 24 would be as good as Ike TaylorThere's no guarantee that our 1st round pick we spent on Ike Taylor won't be riding the pine behind our two former pro-bowl corners. There's no guarantee that Ike Taylor won't suck worse than Greg Brooks without proper safeties behind him.There IS, however, a guarantee that we have bigger needs than a slightly better than average cornerback.Dude what are you smoking- this guy won't suck no matter what safeties are playing behind him. He can run with anybody in the league. He'might be the only corner I've ever seen shadow Chad. He is fast as hell, look at his measurables- more important he can play football. I tell you what, I guarantee you any team who was guaranteed their pick would turn out to be as good as Taylor would be more than satisfied to take it with the 24th pick in the draft. And most importantly, he'll seriously upgrade our defense and enable Chad to run wild in the Steelers secondary like he does in every other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lando griffin Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'm not gonna offer any thoughtful or logical insight into this one. I'm at school in pittsburgh (thank God I'm about to graduate) and hate this place with every fiber of my soul. I hate the Steelers and do not want any of their players unless they publicly hate on the Steelers and say they love Cincinnati--I don't care how good the players are. Getting a player from your rival makes the game seem too much like a business for me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I'm not gonna offer any thoughtful or logical insight into this one. I'm at school in pittsburgh (thank God I'm about to graduate) and hate this place with every fiber of my soul. I hate the Steelers and do not want any of their players unless they publicly hate on the Steelers and say they love Cincinnati--I don't care how good the players are. Getting a player from your rival makes the game seem too much like a business for me..Agreed, good post, I feel for you, get out of that stinkhole asap, and I don't want a single Raven, Brown or Squealer on my Bengals' team, I don't care how good they are...some things you must hold sacred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I, quite honestly, wouldn't even think of giving the Steelers a SECOND rounder for Taylor, and probably not a third rounder either. We don't need a cornerback quite that badly... Yeah, we'd be upgrading ourselves and taking away from the Steelers, but it's a double edged sword. They'd be taking away our valuable draft pick and adding it to their own. If we were talking about a more established corner that has been more consistently successful than Taylor, then I might give this idea more consideration. As it is, I would despise this move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 I can't see giving the Steelers another 1st round draft pick. They were hurting against the cap and getting two first rounders would help them greatly. I think it would help them more than losing Ike would hurt. Not to mention I don't want Taylor either. F*CKING STEELERS !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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