Harrington a real possibility?

[membengal]

I keep wanting to drop the "h" from the thread title when I open the forum.

Wishful thinking.

[HoosierCat]

kffl...

Bengals | Team to visit with Harrington

Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:37:26 -0800

Tom Kowalski, of mlive.com, reports Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington is expected to fly to Cincinnati for a visit with the Cincinnati Bengals as soon as he completes his visit with the Miami Dolphins.

The Lions have also given the Chiefs, Raiders and Seahawks permission to speak with Joey but there are no reports of visits scheduled there yet.

[Whur CHad At?]

No way Harrington gets past the Cheifs. John Clayton and the Mort have already said they have offered early to mid round draft picks for the guy.

[HoosierCat]

Hobson sez: Bengals mulling trade.

Lions quarterback Joey Harrington is scheduled to visit the Bengals Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, a league source said here Tuesday at the NFL owners’ meeting. The only other team on Harrington’s agenda is apparently Miami, where Dolphins head coach Nick Saban is headed to meet Harrington Tuesday night.

The Bengals are apparently mulling a trade with Detroit for the 27-year-old Harrington as an option to back up Carson Palmer and potentially be the starter early this season. Harrington, represented by Palmer agent David Dunn, would have to re-do a deal that includes a $4.5 million bonus on June 15, but it’s believed the Bengals have yet to begin negotiations.

[turningpoint]

I'll give them our 7th round pick.

[Stripes]

Hobson sez: Bengals mulling trade.

Lions quarterback Joey Harrington is scheduled to visit the Bengals Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning, a league source said here Tuesday at the NFL owners' meeting. The only other team on Harrington's agenda is apparently Miami, where Dolphins head coach Nick Saban is headed to meet Harrington Tuesday night.

The Bengals are apparently mulling a trade with Detroit for the 27-year-old Harrington as an option to back up Carson Palmer and potentially be the starter early this season. Harrington, represented by Palmer agent David Dunn, would have to re-do a deal that includes a $4.5 million bonus on June 15, but it's believed the Bengals have yet to begin negotiations.

What do the Dolphins want with Harrington? They just signed a multi-Pro Bowler in Daunte Culpepper... I'd have to think Harrington would rather play here where he'd at least get the chance to start a few games and play with such a talented offense, instead of Miami where he would just sit on the Bench behind Culpepper. I suppose there is always one more variable though, and it's the most important one when the Bengals are involved.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Whur CHad At?]

What do the Dolphins want with Harrington? They just signed a multi-Pro Bowler in Daunte Culpepper... I'd have to think Harrington would rather play here where he'd at least get the chance to start a few games and play with such a talented offense, instead of Miami where he would just sit on the Bench behind Culpepper. I suppose there is always one more variable though, and it's the most important one when the Bengals are involved.... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ makes the world go 'round

The Dolphins are also intrested in Kerry Collins

[ArmyBengal]

If we give them any more than a 6th, I'll be pissed !!!

Why give up a draft pick and pay some bucks for someone to work a one year deal and then leave ??? Couldn't that draft pick be used for someone LONG TERM. Hell, I'd rather have Marcus Vick in the 6th than Harrington for one year !!!

THIS IS F*CKING STUPID !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Whur CHad At?]

You havin a bad day ARMY, lol

You have said "f**king Stupid" in an angry mannor in like all your posts tonight

Besides I do not think we will get him, due to the fact of his contract size, and how many teams are intrested. The Cowboys have entered the mix for him now, so things are looking more and more like we won't get him.

[scott91575]

I live near Detroit and know the situation really well.

First off, he has not been cut, but he is going to be gone. It's been ugly.

The word from many people is KC has offered a 3rd round pick if Joey is willing to renegotiate his deal. As of now, Joey is flipping the bird to the Lions and demanding to be cut. I can't blame him. He should get more $ on the open market.

As far as a player, he is ok. The Lions have a terrible o-line and WR's that can't get deep (Mike Williams), are too busy smoking pot (Charles Rogers), or take lots of time off (Roy Williams). He is not accurate and terrible in the West Coast offense. Yet he does throw a good long ball which will be much better in Cincy's offense.

Honestly, I think he would be a great #2 option in the Bengals offense, but the price will be too high since the Chiefs for some reason love the guy.

[ArmyBengal]

You havin a bad day ARMY, lol

You have said "f**king Stupid" in an angry mannor in like all your posts tonight

Besides I do not think we will get him, due to the fact of his contract size, and how many teams are intrested. The Cowboys have entered the mix for him now, so things are looking more and more like we won't get him.

No sh*t huh ?? It was a bad day and the Marvin article about being happy with the D-line started the whole sh*tfest !!! Then the thought of Harrington and giving up a pick for his dumbass just made it worse. I really don't see Harrington coming here either, but to even think that giving up a draft pick for him to be used for one year and ignoring the long term solution is, well, uh...

F*CKING STUPID !!! Sorry, couldn't resist !!!

WHODEY !!!

[membengal]

I live near Detroit and know the situation really well.

First off, he has not been cut, but he is going to be gone. It's been ugly.

The word from many people is KC has offered a 3rd round pick if Joey is willing to renegotiate his deal. As of now, Joey is flipping the bird to the Lions and demanding to be cut. I can't blame him. He should get more $ on the open market.

As far as a player, he is ok. The Lions have a terrible o-line and WR's that can't get deep (Mike Williams), are too busy smoking pot (Charles Rogers), or take lots of time off (Roy Williams). He is not accurate and terrible in the West Coast offense. Yet he does throw a good long ball which will be much better in Cincy's offense.

Honestly, I think he would be a great #2 option in the Bengals offense, but the price will be too high since the Chiefs for some reason love the guy.

Quality post scott, and I agree with you 100%. I think he would have a chance to be decent here, certainly as good as Kitna was on his best days. What he does well would fit much better with the Bengals' offense than what Detroit was running.

That said, for the usual reasons, if there are other teams involved, as usual, I doubt the Bengals do what it takes to get him. I would go as high as a 5th rounder for him.

[ArmyBengal]

Ok fine, he will be a fit in our offense...

AGAIN, why would we give a draft pick for one guy to start (or not) an unknown amount of games, only to have him leave the following year ??

AGAIN, wouldn't that pick be better used for a long term solution ??

WHODEY !!!

[membengal]

Well, given how difficult the Cincy sked is going to be next year (like all teams in the AFC North, only slightly harder than the others), and given Carson's questionable status for the first month plus, I would be much more comfortable with a qb under center in that first month who has a lot of experience at it. Harrington does. He's been effin awful at times, but he's also been damn good at times. And, Detroit has the stink of failure that used to be on Cincinnati, that is to say, when a player fails there, you wonder about the coaching he received and the scheme around him before you automatically assume it's him.

I can't help but wonder what Zampese and five months of off-season work might do to make him competent enough in this offense to give them a puncher's chance until Carson is 100%.

Edit: And, what the Bengals need is a short-term solution. I would rather sacrifice a fifth or so to get some insurance for September/early October, then punt September/early October if Carson isn't ready and be buried at 1-5 or so when he comes back. They may be buried there anyway without CP, but I think someone like Harrington would give them a better chance to tread water.

My .02 anyway...

[Stripes]

Well, given how difficult the Cincy sked is going to be next year (like all teams in the AFC North, only slightly harder than the others), and given Carson's questionable status for the first month plus, I would be much more comfortable with a qb under center in that first month who has a lot of experience at it. Harrington does. He's been effin awful at times, but he's also been damn good at times. And, Detroit has the stink of failure that used to be on Cincinnati, that is to say, when a player fails there, you wonder about the coaching he received and the scheme around him before you automatically assume it's him.

I can't help but wonder what Zampese and five months of off-season work might do to make him competent enough in this offense to give them a puncher's chance until Carson is 100%.

Edit: And, what the Bengals need is a short-term solution. I would rather sacrifice a fifth or so to get some insurance for September/early October, then punt September/early October if Carson isn't ready and be buried at 1-5 or so when he comes back. They may be buried there anyway without CP, but I think someone like Harrington would give them a better chance to tread water.

My .02 anyway...

Agreed on most points. I think Harrington could have a chance at marginal success if placed in a better enviornment such as the one in Cincinnati. I had the same feeling with McCown, though with much more confidence. I'm not sure what to think about Harrington... From what games I did see of his, he did look to be at fault for a lot of the difficulties he faced. He struggled to maintain poise in the pocket and throw an accurate pass over the middle. That could be the result of a bad offensive line, or it could be the result of a bad quarterback. I'm not sure, but I think it's worth a fifth rounder to give him a shot. All in all, I think I'd rather we just sign Jamie Martin to a much cheaper deal and keep our draft pick.

[membengal]

My only thought in response is that you cannot underestimate just how uneven the recieving corp has been in Detroit as well. Young, talented, and, by all accounts, not remotely where they are supposed to be at any given time on their routes as a matter of course. I am guessing that also made his job difficult. Here, with a veteran receiving corp, you wonder if they can boil to down to five or six sets that emphasize his arm and what he does well.

I also was hoping for McCown. But as between Harrington and Martin? I would still lean Harrington, if only for the gun.

[HairOnFire]

"Lewis said Tuesday the Bengals might not add another quarterback until May." ---3/29/06 Cincy Enquirer

[Stripes]

"Lewis said Tuesday the Bengals might not add another quarterback until May." ---3/29/06 Cincy Enquirer

Well crap... If not now, then how about late April in the draft? Why May?

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

"Lewis said Tuesday the Bengals might not add another quarterback until May." ---3/29/06 Cincy Enquirer

Well crap... If not now, then how about late April in the draft? Why May?

Free agent scrub after the draft..... Translation: "Carson Palmer will be ready for opening day and we know it"

[Stripes]

"Lewis said Tuesday the Bengals might not add another quarterback until May." ---3/29/06 Cincy Enquirer

Well crap... If not now, then how about late April in the draft? Why May?

Free agent scrub after the draft..... Translation: "Carson Palmer will be ready for opening day and we know it"

Even if that is the case, we have no backup QB right now, unless they really have that faith in Krenzel or Johnson. Whichever scrub we sign better be able to play efficient football as a backup behind our Pro Bowl starter with two injuries in his two seasons as a starter. I'm not calling Carson injury proned, but we still need better insurance behind him than that in my opinion.

[walzav29]

Yep. I have to agree. If there was any urgency or doubt of Palmer's come back then there would be more of a rush. Palmer will be back. Now please. Pretty please with sugar on top. Sign a f****** defensive tackle!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Maybe Marvin has faith in Johnson for some reason.... He did sign the guy pretty quickly.

[HairOnFire]

Look, the last day of the draft is April 30th so Lewis is simply saying that the Bengals might wait to see what's available in the draft or shortly after when teams who do draft QB's cut loose backups. And as this seasons QB shuffle has already proven the players cast off don't have to be scrubs. They can be anything from backup QB's who were replaced because they don't have much time left on their contracts or high priced starters who no longer fit into the teams post draft plans.

For example, if the Titans do draft a 1st round QB they're almost certain to trade Billy Volek or cut loose Steve McNair. Neither of those players are scrubs, and it should be noted that the almost always wrong Lance McAlister has already floated a rumor that the Bengals discussed a trade for Volek at the owners meeting. Other teams are said to be sitting on their hands while waiting for the Titans to dump McNairs ridiculous contract. And the shuffle won't stop with the Titans as the teams that draft Cutler, Whitehurst, Croyle, and others will all move pieces around.Frankly, it's a unique year where there seems to be as many QB's waiting for the music to stop playing as there are chairs awaiting them.

In my opinion Lewis is simply saying the same things I've been saying for weeks. That even in a worst case scenario there's a very good chance that months from now a team can settle for a Jamie Martin quality player if all other options are exhausted.

[HairOnFire]

Even if that is the case, we have no backup QB right now, unless they really have that faith in Krenzel or Johnson. Whichever scrub we sign better be able to play efficient football as a backup behind our Pro Bowl starter with two injuries in his two seasons as a starter. I'm not calling Carson injury proned, but we still need better insurance behind him than that in my opinion.

Two points. First, Krenzel gives them a brainiac who should be capable of playing a conservative brand of football that limits mistakes. Johnson gives them a veteran who has played in multiple schemes. While neither player is the long-term backup QB answer this team is looking for they do represent a reasonable short-term option. It's hardly ideal, but the Bengals can take comfort knowing that they have an elite starter returning at some point, and on that score they have some reason to be optimistic.

Last, your point about needing better insurance behind Palmer is exactly the reason that you don't panic by settling now for less than you'll want tomorrow.

[Stripes]

Look, the last day of the draft is April 30th so Lewis is simply saying that the Bengals might wait to see what's available in the draft or shortly after when teams who do draft QB's cut loose backups. And as this seasons QB shuffle has already proven the players cast off don't have to be scrubs. They can be anything from backup QB's who were replaced because they don't have much time left on their contracts or high priced starters who no longer fit into the teams post draft plans.

That is perfectly logical, and I can dig it. If the Bengals are confident that waiting can provide them with more options and they don't fart around then as they are now, then fair enough. As long as whoever we pick up has ample time to pick up the season and prepare for week one, then I'm cool.

Two points. First, Krenzel gives them a brainiac who should be capable of playing a conservative brand of football that limits mistakes. Johnson gives them a veteran who has played in multiple schemes. While neither player is the long-term backup QB answer this team is looking for they do represent a reasonable short-term option. It's hardly ideal, but the Bengals can take comfort knowing that they have an elite starter returning at some point, and on that score they have some reason to be optimistic.

Either of the two does have something to bring to the table, but I am worried starting either of them over someone better could mean the difference between a 1-3 or a 2-2 start to the season.