DontPushMe Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 In the end it probly wouldnt matter much. With a good offensive line, the RB means little. With our offensive line, there are at least 40 RBs in the NFL that could put up 1400 yards rushing per year on 300+ carries. The colts are a great example, watch next year, they wont lose a step regaurdless of who goes in.Perhaps there are 40 players that could make it to 1,000 (I doubt even that).... but 1,400?!?! That is more than a "just doing his job" kind of feat. The man outrushed Corey freaking Dillon TWICE! Yes, we do need a pass rush, but going after an aging player with questionable motivation like Abraham would be the wrong way to solve that problem, especially at the loss of a Pro Bowl threat running back.Go to the draft and get a player to help the rush, rather than lose a huge chunk of your offensive production for an old man who is losing his capability to do that.Aging?Abraham: Born: 05/06/1978Johnson: Born: 10/01/1979 Huge difference. Especially when you consider the fact that RBs careers are generally a lot shorter than D-Linemen. And I guess next year at this time, we should start looking for a new QB, because ours will be "aging". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I can't believe it. I actually agree with DPM. I'd do this in a nanosecond.Now, excuse me while I call my therapist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 You can not discount Rudi's consistency...but I believe he is expendable. There are a lot of running backs out there that would enjoy similar success with our offensive line. Look at Samkon Gado, Willie Parker. Players straight off the practice squad that did pretty darn good. Bottom line is, Rudi is not a threat to take it to the house on every play...he's not explosive enough. I know he had knee problems this past year, but he was fine in '04. His longest run from scrimmage was 33 yards in '05. He's a bruiser, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think teams would have to respect the run a lot more if we had a 'flashier' running back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 You can not discount Rudi's consistency...but I believe he is expendable. There are a lot of running backs out there that would enjoy similar success with our offensive line. Look at Samkon Gado, Willie Parker. Players straight off the practice squad that did pretty darn good. Bottom line is, Rudi is not a threat to take it to the house on every play...he's not explosive enough. I know he had knee problems this past year, but he was fine in '04. His longest run from scrimmage was 33 yards in '05. He's a bruiser, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think teams would have to respect the run a lot more if we had a 'flashier' running back.We don't need a guy who's a threat to take it to the house on every play. We have our passing game for that. We need a guy who can convert 3rd and 3 damn near every time. That's what Rudi is. Perfect back for a downfield passing attack. Keep the chains a moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I give a lot of credit to the O-Line for much of Rudi's success... but there is no denying that late in the game, he has the ability to wear a defense out. That is what Bettis was used for... and Rudi is bruising, and very hard to bring down. He may not be the only guy in the league who can do that... but there aren't 40 of them.He is the opposite of expendable... Perry hasn't proven that he is anything more than a WR who lines up at RB. That's a dimension to our offense that many teams covet... but there is a reason he hasn't taken over as the starting RB (not the least of which are his injury issues).I'd agree that we need a pass-rush more than just about anything right now... but the answer to that may be as simple as getting a DT to eat up a couple extra blockers. Smith and Geathers will be fine if we can get decent DT play. At this point, I would not be willing to give up the only physical aspect of our offense to land a guy that wouldn't be utilized because of our poor DT's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Wow, 40 backs could gain 1,400 yards if given 300 carries? Too bad one of those backs isn't Perry. He only managed two carries in his rookie year before getting hurt. The following year he manage to stay upright 51 carries before getting hurt again. For the record, that's two examples of being so fragile that Perry missed multiple games...resulting in a grand total of just 63 carries in two years....despite never being asked to carry a true workload. Sheesh, at this rate it would take almost 8 more years before Perry gets his 300th career carry.Bottom line is, Rudi is not a threat to take it to the house on every play...he's not explosive enough. That's exactly what the Rams said after they traded Bettis to the Steelers. No kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Backs are easier to come by period...Do you see Indy worrying that Edge is gone...or the Ravens or even us with Cory, Rudi came right in and took over and someone else can do the same thing...what is our biggest problem besides stopping the run....NO PASS RUSH...Exactly.Who's gonna replace him? Perry? Oh God, the prospect of having him as our starter just makes me cringe. We'd go 9-7 at best against a schedule far easier than the one were about to enter. Draft one? Is the risky use of a first round pick on a new back and the aquisition of an aging defensive end anywhere near worth the loss of a FRANCHISE PLAYER (the stats don't lie)?NO!!!!!!!!!!In the end it probly wouldnt matter much. With a good offensive line, the RB means little. With our offensive line, there are at least 40 RBs in the NFL that could put up 1400 yards rushing per year on 300+ carries. The colts are a great example, watch next year, they wont lose a step regaurdless of who goes in.You guys blow rudi up to be way more than he is. Hes just a guy who does his job. He does nothing spectacular.The problem on this team is the lack of a pass rush, and Abraham is one of the elite pass rushers in the nfl. I doubt the Jets would consider a trade like that when they could probly get something more valueble like a 2nd round pick, but if offered that trade by them, Mike Brown would be all over it.If the offensive line made the runningback then why didn't Perry have great numbers while he was in the game? Seriously go back and compare the stats, it's not even close. Perry only averaged like 4.6 yards per carry to Rudi's 4.3 yards per carry. Perry was carrying the ball against Nickle pass defenses and Rudi was rushing against run stacked defenses and short yardage situations. Rudi also did all that on about 270 more carries than Perry. IMO Perry is a waste and should be traded ASAP to try and get at least something for him.Another couple quick stats about Perry. Perry has played in 16 of a possible 33 games with the Bengals.Last year Perry had 51 receptions only 4 short of the Bengals single season record for RB's held by James Brooks. BUT PErry only had about 340 yards on 51 catches to Brooks 570 yards on 55 catches. HUGE difference. It's not always that you catch a ball, its what you can do AFTER you catch it.Perry only had 2 TDs last year on 112 touches. Was he worth a first round pick?I think NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted March 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Perry also had alot of his TD's called back because of penalties, If Perry was feature back he could easily get what Rudi got because he knows hot to cut back..and some one said something about an aging player and ? motivation but alot of people around here want Arrington and I see no difference between the 2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Perry also had alot of his TD's called back because of penalties, If Perry was feature back he could easily get what Rudi got because he knows hot to cut back..and some one said something about an aging player and ? motivation but alot of people around here want Arrington and I see no difference between the 2...A lot called back because of penalties? How many? 1? The 80 yarder against Minnesota? Let's not play the if's and's and but's game. I really don't want to go back and find all the plays called back because of penalties for Rudi too. Or Chad. Or Carson. Or...I think you get the point. If it got called back, and it isn't in the books, then it doesn't count just like it didn't happen. How can you say he could have done just as good as Rudi if he would have gotten the playing time? They tried giving him snaps, and he just gets hurt. The game he hurt his ankle he ran the ball three plays in a row and got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Please no more talk about Rudi-Chris.. theyre Both Bengals..As for Abraham for Rudi... NO no no no no get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Rudi is the perfect back for a run game set up by a vertical attack. He's tough enough to force teams to commit another player in the box after he gets chunks w/o one there. Plus he breaks as many arm tackles around the legs as any back I've seen.Perry is a far cry from Rudi as a between the tackles runner, but he does have some value as a RB even if he gets used too much and at the wrong times IMO. This year, Perry should have even more value on the field as a receiver given the WR and TE situation as it stands.No need to trade either one for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I have been making posts in the Rudi for Abraham thread and it brought out an idea. What if we trade Chris Perry and say a 4th round pick to Indy for their first round pick? Then we could get Bunkly and Pope for sure, and then draft KO Simpson in the second round. That would be one hell of a first day! Then to replace Perry we could sign Michael Bennett as a back-up RB. I know he isn't specatacular, but he is serviceable when healthy.So, if we don't trade Chris Perry, since he has such great hands, how about splitting him out as a WR? He has WR size. 6 foot 224 pounds.Wow I forgot about PK Sams..6-3 and 210 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I doubt we could get that much in trade for the player formerly known as "Two-Carry Perry." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadJohnson-85 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 sounds good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsLB Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 bunkly will be gone before our first pick and Ko is Going round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 bunkly will be gone before our first pick and Ko is Going round 1Fine, then we get Dante Whitner, Pope, and Gabe Watson. How about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 bunkly will be gone before our first pick and Ko is Going round 1Fine, then we get Dante Whitner, Pope, and Gabe Watson. How about that? As long as Pope is in there, cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Wow I forgot about PK Sams..6-3 and 210 pounds. He'll be forgettable all over again when he's cut. Unless he turns out to be a bigger version of Antonio Chatman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 formerly known as "Two-Carry Perry."He will always be Two Carry Perry to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 bunkly will be gone before our first pick and Ko is Going round 1And rodgers was top 5 last year stuff happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Rudi is the perfect back for a run game set up by a vertical attack. He's tough enough to force teams to commit another player in the box after he gets chunks w/o one there. Plus he breaks as many arm tackles around the legs as any back I've seen.Perry is a far cry from Rudi as a between the tackles runner, but he does have some value as a RB even if he gets used too much and at the wrong times IMO. This year, Perry should have even more value on the field as a receiver given the WR and TE situation as it stands.No need to trade either one for now. Leave it to schweinhart to make sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPalmer9 Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 the thought of trading chris perry is so outrageous, there are not wods to even describe it....i cant believe it is even being discussed. chris perry is the future at running back and if any running back will go, it would be Rudi. I like Rudi just as much as the next guy but his time is here wont be much longer. Perry has the ability to break tackles and go for a long breakout run. If any of remember his college career you know that he can run between the tackles. you all should be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking about trading chris perry.....ludacris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 the thought of trading chris perry is so outrageous, there are not wods to even describe it....i cant believe it is even being discussed. chris perry is the future at running back and if any running back will go, it would be Rudi. I like Rudi just as much as the next guy but his time is here wont be much longer. Perry has the ability to break tackles and go for a long breakout run. If any of remember his college career you know that he can run between the tackles. you all should be ashamed of yourselves for even thinking about trading chris perry.....ludacris Rudi signed a 4 or 5 year deal before the season began. They love him. Perry can run between the tackles? Possibly, but I haven't seen him do it consistently at all since he began carrying the ball as an NFL back. What he did at Michigan is irrelevant. The Big Ten might be a tough conference, but it's not the NFL. And I bolded your final word as its mispelling has inspired me to give ol' Two Carry a new nickname... LudiChris! (I don't want to be a Perry basher, I want him to succeed and end up a very productive Bengal... but these statements about Rudi and "not being able to break the big one" just drive me crazy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Perry won't be traded. Perry is too valuable as a dump off receiver, and he will be the best tool for keeping Carson safe next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I would trade my mmother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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