HoosierCat Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 ...a prospect floated by Florio over at pft. He references a piece in the local papers I read a couple days ago, in which a pair of anonymous Jet players said the team should just cut him because he's too injury-prone. And reports today say Pennington haas rebuffed efforts to lower his monster salary. Cutting him would mean they carry $12 million in dead money for him this season, but apparently keeping him would cost about the same.Given the cap circumstances, it seems more likely they keep him, if only because cutting him doesn't save anything and who knows, maybe he gets it together. I doubt they take Cutler at 4, tho. I could see them grabbing Omar Jacobs in the second... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepudgester Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I could see them grabbing Whitehurst or Jacobs in the 3rd. It is unlikely they take Croyle because of injury issues, and we all know they've gone through enough of that. I could see Vince Young a Jet. Cutler is possible but VERY unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Legends Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I think Omar Jacobs won't be around in the 3rd round...He's actually the 3rd best QB IMHO behind Leinart and Young. Big kid with great QB skills are hard to come by.I just don't know who the Jets are targeting with their first pick. Everyone keeps saying that they are going to take Brick but you don't take a lineman that high unless he's Orlando Pace or Mount McKinnie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 The NFL Network ran the anonymous quote and the player said Pennington was like an egg back there. If he doesn't restructure he could be more like a scrambled egg because without some major cap relief, the Jets might have to whack big parts of their O-line like Fabini, Kendall, or Mawae and there could no better reward for Pennington for not restructuring and taking a pay cut than to be doing his best David Klingler impersonation next year. For Cutler, that would be pretty much like where he just left. Only difference is that Cutler thrived anyways.I still think the Jets take DBrick at 4. But Cutler is for real and the Jets are still going to get another QB whether Pennington stays or goes. Could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 The NFL Network ran the anonymous quote and the player said Pennington was like an egg back there. If he doesn't restructure he could be more like a scrambled egg because without some major cap relief, the Jets might have to whack big parts of their O-line like Fabini, Kendall, or Mawae and there could no better reward for Pennington for not restructuring and taking a pay cut than to be doing his best David Klingler impersonation next year. For Cutler, that would be pretty much like where he just left. Only difference is that Cutler thrived anyways.I still think the Jets take DBrick at 4. But Cutler is for real and the Jets are still going to get another QB whether Pennington stays or goes. Could happen.I have a feeling, and I will be crucified for this, that if the Texans don't take Reggie Bush (which they will) than he could fall all the way to the Jets. That won't happen though.I agree that the Jet's will probably take D'Brick. But as always, Jets fans are looking for something else. My best friend, who is a Jets fan,l wants DeAngelo Williams at 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 It makes all the sense in the world for the Jets to take D'Brick in the first and target a QB in the 2nd. I was never a huge fan of Pennington to begin with and if he leaves the team, I can't see him getting a top dollar contract anywhere.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 But as always, Jets fans are looking for something else.This year some Jets fans might either be looking for someone to sell their tickets to or else for the remote so they can change the channel to watch some other team. It looks pretty bad for them, but if they can get Pennington to help them out with the cap, it would improve their chances and probably their morale. This year has all the makings of one of them there rebuilding years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 The NFL Network ran the anonymous quote and the player said Pennington was like an egg back there. If he doesn't restructure he could be more like a scrambled egg because without some major cap relief, the Jets might have to whack big parts of their O-line like Fabini, Kendall, or Mawae and there could no better reward for Pennington for not restructuring and taking a pay cut than to be doing his best David Klingler impersonation next year. For Cutler, that would be pretty much like where he just left. Only difference is that Cutler thrived anyways.I still think the Jets take DBrick at 4. But Cutler is for real and the Jets are still going to get another QB whether Pennington stays or goes. Could happen. For me, the most telling thing about what was said on the NFL Network wasn't the anonymous quote. I'd point to the conclusion reached that, due to the massive salary cap hit the Jets would have to absorb, Pennington holds all of the bargaining leverage needed to stonewall the Jets by repeatedly refusing any demand that he restructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Everyone keeps saying that they are going to take Brick but you don't take a lineman that high unless he's Orlando Pace or Mount McKinnie...He looks pretty close to Pace. He doesnt seem to have the massive frame of Pace but is still very big and athletic. His body frame looks more like a linebacker"s.I think he is worth a top 5 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandre Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I think Omar Jacobs won't be around in the 3rd round...He's actually the 3rd best QB IMHO behind Leinart and Young. Big kid with great QB skills are hard to come by.I unfortuantely have to agree with the only Steeler in this thread. I am up here at BG and during the season I would see Omar Jocabs a couple of times a week and he is a big boy. His sophmore season was amazing and given the chance in the NFL I think he could make a name for himself. I know it won't happen but I would like to see him in some stripes. But with that said anyone that gets him in the 3rd round is getting a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 This year some Jets fans might either be looking for someone to sell their tickets to or else for the remote so they can change the channel to watch some other team. It looks pretty bad for them, but if they can get Pennington to help them out with the cap, it would improve their chances and probably their morale. This year has all the makings of one of them there rebuilding years. There's no way I'd restructure if I was Pennington. The Jet's proposal would eliminate a 3 million dollar roster bonus that's about to trigger, and would cut his salary this season to 1 million...with an additional incentive package potentially adding 8 million more. And how likely is it that Pennington earns much of that package considering his fragile history and knowing how interested the Jets are in looking at other starting QB options? In addition, how likely is it that Pennington could get a better offer from another team if the Jets do the unthinkable and decide to absorb a 12 million dollar cap hit from cutting Pennington? If the Jets are serious about creating cap room they'd be smart to look first at Curtis Martin's 8 million dollar salary and the 8 million plus it costs to tag and keep John Abraham. And you can probably guess where that leads me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 This year some Jets fans might either be looking for someone to sell their tickets to or else for the remote so they can change the channel to watch some other team. It looks pretty bad for them, but if they can get Pennington to help them out with the cap, it would improve their chances and probably their morale. This year has all the makings of one of them there rebuilding years.There's no way I'd restructure if I was Pennington. The Jet's proposal would eliminate a 3 million dollar roster bonus that's about to trigger, and would cut his salary this season to 1 million...with an additional incentive package potentially adding 8 million more. And how likely is it that Pennington earns much of that package considering his fragile history and knowing how interested the Jets are in looking at other starting QB options? In addition, how likely is it that Pennington could get a better offer from another team if the Jets do the unthinkable and decide to absorb a 12 million dollar cap hit from cutting Pennington?If the Jets are serious about creating cap room they'd be smart to look first at Curtis Martin's 8 million dollar salary and the 8 million plus it costs to tag and keep John Abraham. And you can probably guess where that leads me. I agree on this one... Pennington would be crazy to just give up all the leverage he has in regards to his contract. There is no way I see the Jets cutting him loose and taking that huge hit on the cap. I see Martin getting an up close introduction to the door very soon, seeing as how they tagged Abraham...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 In addition, how likely is it that Pennington could get a better offer from another team if the Jets do the unthinkable and decide to absorb a 12 million dollar cap hit from cutting Pennington?From what I've read, Pennington is scheduled to count some $12 million vs. the cap even if he stays, thanks to salary and boni, so he's effectively cap neutral. Word up here today is that the Jets' front office will make the call after they have a chance to look at Cutler at the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Pennington is neutral to the cap... like Joisey said. The cap hit exists for the Jets either way... so the question for the Jets is... do they want to potentially go through this next year too? If they just cut him, it's done and they take the cap hit... but no more worries about an over-rated injury prone QB. I'd say that Pennington has mor leverage than the Jets do at this point... but if he doesn't budge at all, and gets cut... he's the bigger loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 If they just cut him, it's done and they take the cap hit... but no more worries about an over-rated injury prone QB. I'd say that Pennington has mor leverage than the Jets do at this point... but if he doesn't budge at all, and gets cut... he's the bigger loser. Pennington becomes the bigger loser only if he can't get a better offer than the 1 million per year offer the Jets are trying to force upon him. Well, 1 million plus whatever REALISTIC incentives were included in the Jets package. I'm guessing that getting a better offer won't be hard to do as the Jets threat to cut Pennington makes it clear that he's no longer considered the undisputed starter, and thus won't be guaranteed an opportunity to earn the money included in the incentive package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Pennington becomes the bigger loser only if he can't get a better offer than the 1 million per year offer the Jets are trying to force upon him. Well, 1 million plus whatever REALISTIC incentives were included in the Jets package. I'm guessing that getting a better offer won't be hard to do as the Jets threat to cut Pennington makes it clear that he's no longer considered the undisputed starter, and thus won't be guaranteed an opportunity to earn the money included in the incentive package.Hard to say, I think, especially with the CBA extension mess muddying the waters. If there's no extension, teams are going to be very, very reluctant to fork over scarce dollars to a 30-year-old QB with a busted wing. In any event there will be no big-money deal, this year's FA rules won't allow it. OTOH if some accomodation is reached in CBA talks then he may find someone willing to give him a low-salary, high-incentive deal...not sure anyone will take a chance on giving him starter's money in that case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Pennington is neutral to the cap... like Joisey said. Neutral? One option results in the Jets having the services of a player who they claim still figures into their starting QB battle at the right price. The other option gives them nothing. In fact, cutting Pennington opens up a hole at the QB position that has to be filled, and the name you guys are kicking around, Jay Cutler, will carry a pretty hefty price tag. In fact, as a QB he'll demand more salary than the other prospects worthy of consideration as the 4th overall pick. Which brings up another important point. Since when has Jay Cutler been considered worthy of the 4th overall slot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I see Martin getting an up close introduction to the door very soon, seeing as how they tagged Abraham... Again, the Jets are said to have tagged Abraham soley for the purpose of getting something in trade return. Their new front office is said to have no interest in attempting to meet Abraham's long-term salary demands, and Abraham is said to have zero interest in remaining with the Jets. In fact, I bet several members of the Jets front office would immediately jump from very tall buildings if Abraham threw them a curve by signing with them for another year at something like 8.3 million. BTW, teams that have already been linked to a possible trade for Abraham include the Cardinals, Browns, Rams, and Redskins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Neutral? One option results in the Jets having the services of a player who they claim still figures into their starting QB battle at the right price. The other option gives them nothing.The point is simply that they eat a $12 million charge vs. the cap whether they keep him or cut him, at least if pft is on the mark, and on these things Florio usually is. Normally, that would dictate they go ahead and keep him; why open up a hole if there's no benefit? And I wouldn't rule that out. But the anonymous comments by his teammates referenced earlier suggest that Penny has lost the confidence of the rest of the team, or at least a portion of it. On top of that, they have a new HC, a new GM, and are reportedly shopping their best defensive player...all of which screams "rebuilding." So they may just decide to bite the bullet and go whole hog on the effort.Which brings up another important point. Since when has Jay Cutler been considered worthy of the 4th overall slot?Well, that's why I put a question mark in the subject line of this thread. No. 4 seems like a pretty big jump for a guy who was barely on the first round radar after the college season ended. Of course, it would hardly be the first time a team reached for a QB. I wonder if they aren't trying to lure someone like the Lions or 'Fins to offer to trade up. If the Jets really are going into rebuild mode, and that seems the case, their best bet would be to trade down multpile times in the first, and pick up a pile of additional picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 note from kffl...Jets | Pennington still may return in 2006Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:03:07 -0800Dave Hutchinson, of the Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets QB Chad Pennington apparently is agreeable to taking a pay cut to remain with the team. However, agent Tom Condon has taken a hard line. The quarterback, who has been asked to take an $8 million pay cut, is scheduled to earn $9 million next season. The Jets want to chop his base salary to $1 million and give him a chance to recoup his money in incentives. "Condon doesn't want to lose that $8 million," one agent said. "He would be embarrassed. It wouldn't look good when he goes on the recruiting trail. I think it's more about that than Chad." The Jets must make a decision by Mar. 3, when Pennington is due a $3 million roster bonus. Pennington, however, appears to have few options, who wants a sore-armed quarterback coming off two rotator cuff surgeries? At this point it would be surprising if he didn't reach a middle ground with the club and return.The Star-Ledger (my local rag, BTW) also says that the Jets will soon ax Ty Law, T Jason Fabini, G Pete Kendall, and FB Jerald Sowell to get under the cap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Which brings up another important point. Since when has Jay Cutler been considered worthy of the 4th overall slot?Well, that's why I put a question mark in the subject line of this thread. No. 4 seems like a pretty big jump for a guy who was barely on the first round radar after the college season ended. Of course, it would hardly be the first time a team reached for a QB. I wonder if they aren't trying to lure someone like the Lions or 'Fins to offer to trade up. If the Jets really are going into rebuild mode, and that seems the case, their best bet would be to trade down multpile times in the first, and pick up a pile of additional picks. You're darn right it'd be a pretty big jump, especially when Cutler's marginal performance during Senior Bowl week is considered. And cutting Chad Pennington doesn't make Jay Cutler a better prospect. As for trading down to get him, don't forget the draft position of the teams said to be interested in trading for Abraham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 You're darn right it'd be a pretty big jump, especially when Cutler's marginal performance during Senior Bowl week is considered. And cutting Chad Pennington doesn't make Jay Cutler a better prospect.Nope, just makes the Jets needier. But given the shape they're in, that may not matter all that much to the new regime.As for trading down to get him, don't forget the draft position of the teams said to be interested in trading for Abraham.Yeah, I know. I wouldn't necessarily be looking to trade down to grab Cutler, tho, the Jets have way too many holes. If I were the Jets, I'd be thinking Jacobs in the second and someone like...well...Kitna to hold down the fort while he gears up. As for Abraham, who knows? If there's no CBA extension the Jets may be screwed. Of the teams allegedly interested the Cards and Browns are the two who really have the cap space to do a deal without an extension, and the Cards' front office has an even bigger rep for stinginess than ours. I could see him landing with the Browns, and that would suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Memo from the It Just Gets Nuttier Dep't. (aka PFT)...JETS LOOKING TO SWAP WITH SAINTS?There’s talk in league circles that the New York Jets are sufficiently smitten with Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler to prompt serious consideration by the front office of a trade up in the April draft from the No. 4 overall spot to No. 2, which pick currently is held by the Saints.The Jets’ objective would be to leapfrog the Titans, who sit and No. 3 – and who likewise are thought to be thinking seriously about drafting Cutler.The only hitch is that the Saints are believed to be primarily interested in USC quarterback Matt Leinart, who very well could be plucked by the Titans at No. 3 if Cutler is off the board.Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Given the Jason Fabini cut, I'd be surprised if the Jets don't sit at #4 and wait for D'Brick. They'll probably draft a QB later (Jacobs, Whitehurst, Croyle) and I won't be surprised if they roll with Pennington by default. Who knows with a new regime, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Remember when the Detroit Lions played the Cleveland Browns into thinking that they were going to pick Kellen Winslow instead of Roy Williams and got the Browns to cough up an exorbitant price to move up one draft position for a player they would have been able to draft at their original draft position, ah...good times! Seems like the same deal, the Saints will be happy with Leinart or Young and will be assured the opportunity to draft one of them at #4 IF the Jets select Cutler #2. Mind you, if the Jets are sitting at #2 they would be idiotic to select Cutler over Leinart, maybe the player is getting played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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