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1 minute ago, AMPHAR said:
I would have my doubts about Hopkins surviving as guard. He'll be covered more and have way more 1 v 1 pass rush assignments.
Agreed he is a center all the way, and if they think Trey Hill is a better long-term backup then cut him and recoop the cap space. Either way I am fine as long as we get a starter in FA or the draft (for the draft it is Linderbaum or bust as starting Centers go IMHO)
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That 7 grade in week one is hard to come back from.....he has a couple of 20 grades in the first half as well. I concur, he is worth keeping around but maybe not at his current price point.
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Trey Hopkins PFF pass blocking grades
Week 11: 79.6
Week 12: 75.4
Week 13: DNP
Week 14: 57.8
Week 15: 64.7
Week 16: 71.5
Week 17: 68.4
Week 18: DNP
WC: 84.1
DR: 70.2
CC: 75.3
SB: 50.9
We have a picture of a player that is wildly inconsistent. Trey Hopkins is a valuable backup but not a starter quality player.
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I for one will be pissed if they tag Bates without giving him a new contract before the season starts. It is not only about the player himself but also the players coming up behind him. If you want to shed the cheap label you have to pay the guys that do everything right.
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29 minutes ago, TJJackson said:
Im more about trading up (if trading at all) this year
quality over quantity for a super bowl team
if we do trade down, my hope would be for upgraded picks in future years rather than additional picks in 2022
Agreed, love to find a way to get up in the late teens to get Linderbaum
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18 minutes ago, TJJackson said:
I doubt Pacman is a reliable source, and Jensen is not my first choice among FA centers, but.......yeah, it'd be a BIG upgrade
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/adam-jones-bengals-ryan-jensen-free-agency
While I'd be thrilled to get Jensen, in TJ's perfect FA world, gimme the Rams OC Brian Allen instead.
Yeah but.....Jensen brings Additude, a toughness, a nastiness that we have desperately been missing on the oline. Haven't had a Center like that since Ole Buckethead and I for one would be over the moon.
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My thoughts are that you stick with what got you here. Last two years they signed a bunch of guys looking for their second or third contracts, guys that were talented, hungry, and a little pissed off. I think they do that again for one Terron Armsteads they can get three Connor Williams'.
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The Geoff Hobson excuse computer for why the Bengals have no money to spend on Free Agents.
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Maybe they say screw it and finally move up in the draft for a more sure thing (Linderbaum).
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When paired up against the best CB in the NFL, our second year and rookie WRs torched him for 160 yards and a TD, and if given another half second by our oline it would have been 214 yards two TDs and a SB loss....if that doesn't excite you as a Bengals fan I don't know what will.
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1 hour ago, TJJackson said:
I'm wrong? God, I hope so.
Similar statements were made last Spring, and what they did was too little too late
What did you expect him to do? Zac doesn't make player personnel decisions so for all he knows we could indeed be playing the same guys, so you want him to slag them in public? That will go over well in the locker room.
Please save the outrage for the end of April, if they haven't sufficiently upgraded the line then, then I give you Carte Blanche to complain to your heart's content....and I will be with you in lock step. There will be substantial upgrades to the oline, the organization knows that any and all good will that they have built will disappear if they don't, they aren't idiots.
As for "too little, too late" which moves would you have asked them not to do in lieu of oline....Trey Hendrickson? Chido Awuzie? Mike Hilton? Ja'Marr Chase? Even Ossai in the third, I think you are going to be happy he is here come next season. The facts are that this team had huge holes to fill the last two seasons, more than you could possibly fill in two off-seasons. They did their best and because of it they almost won the SuperBowl, no reason to expect that they won't evaluate the roster and make good choices this year as well.
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They will have some hard decisions in a couple of years but until then, go win SuperBowls
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7 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:
It’s simple. Whatever they’ve been doing, stop and do the opposite.
Truer words have never been spoken
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They haven't gotten it right but they have poured a ton of draft capital into the oline. Ogbuehi, Fisher and Price were supposed to be the bedrock of this line but instead none of them are still on the team.
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5 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:
I like it. Who do we draft in the middle rounds to back up Joe?
Strong from Nevada
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Playing around in Spotrac I created this 2022-2023 Bengals Roster.
Is it practical maybe not, but, it is possible.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/cincinnati-bengals/2022/28f39776780c63e2b624dfe149bb509f/
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1 hour ago, AMPHAR said:
I think you start at RT. Then it appears the draft could provide you a starting Center prospect and that has to be measured against all position groups.
I think they will roll with in house players at guard.
God no! RG is the biggest hole on the oline
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9 hours ago, HoosierCat said:
Not bothering to click but clearly Trent hasn’t looked at the schedule yet. Bengals play the AFCE and NFCS, which collectively have one good team, Buffalo. Burrow owns Baltimore and Pitt has no QB. Contending is about as locked as I can imagine.*
* Provided the key pieces of this team remain relatively healthy, a couple of key injuries could torpedo this team next year
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My concern is that for all the success in evaluating the rest of the roster, the Bengals FO can't evaluate oline for shit.
Look at all the draft picks, Billy Price, Jackson Carmen, Cedric Ogbuehi, Jake Fisher all first or second round selections....(I know it's early for Jackson) just doesn't bode well.
Spain, Reiff out. My thoughts are bring in good young relatively cheap guys like Connor Williams, Will Hernandez, Morgan Moses with a ton of talent, multiple guys for one Brandon Scheriff contract, add a first round pick and see where you are after the dust settles.
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1 hour ago, ArmyBengal said:
If Burrow and the rest got us to the Super Bowl with THIS o-line, imagine what could happen if they weren’t setting records for most sacks given up game after game.
Exactly, gotta resign Uzomah, Bates and one of the DTs (I like Hill better than Ogunjobi) and then pour all your capital into oline multiple contracts for good players.
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3 hours ago, COB said:
Glad to see some positivity and hope in here, because that’s how I feel. Some Super Bowls are lost by teams giving it one last shot with an aging roster, some ring chasing vets, and a cap situation that says win or lose, it’s all getting torn down.
We’re the opposite of that. The future is bright.
Play calling at the end was baffling, though I think it was shaped by an inability to block anyone. Like he was grasping for plays, thinking what play can we actually run that we might be able to execute.
I strongly agree, they simply had no answers for the Rams dline late. I felt all season (especially since Reiff's injury) that the oline was going to cost us big and it almost happened against Tenn.
Ultimately, they were an online away from a Superbowl championship......pretty clear where that 70 million needs to go.
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47 minutes ago, membengal said:
Tough one. I am proud of them.
Agreed, fix the oline and try it again
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34 minutes ago, HoosierCat said:
It’s extra stupid today thanks to all the people who rarely/never pay attention to the team feeling a need to chime in.
so you get, for example, some joker wondering whether Mike Brown will pay Burrow…
Yeah Palmer needs to STFU.
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My theme song for SuperBowl 56
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=hamilton+mixtape+my+shot
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O-line Watch 2022
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Give me Jensen, Connor Williams, resign Reiff and draft Zion and I am good with the oline heading into 2022.