walzav29 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I agree with Daugherty's article. You have to let Rudi go, but if the Bengals franchised him are there any teams that would give up 2 picks? It would be a shame to let him go for nothing, but you can't break the bank. Perry was drafted just for this purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I think Perry was drafted for several reasons:1. If Rudi didn't cut the mustard2. If Rudi didn't want to stay in Cincinnati3. If Rudi wanted more $ than the club thought was appropriate4. To give Rudi an option for a rest rather than play every down5. To give the O another option as Perry offers more potential as a receiving threat than Rudi who is just a plain runner.With no proven back in place I think it would be hard to let Rudi go, even for 2 picks. Unless of course Marvin thinks he can pull in a proven back via free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I agree with Daugherty's article. You have to let Rudi go, but if the Bengals franchised him are there any teams that would give up 2 picks? It would be a shame to let him go for nothing, but you can't break the bank. Perry was drafted just for this purpose. = ASSHATRudi would be the youngest 1000 yard Free Agent RB in thehistory of the NFL.How can you just let some1 go that1. Wants to be here2. Is a team player3. Doesn`t complain that he isn`t gettin the ball enough or to much.4. Has had three 150 yard games and a 200 yard game in with only 16 starts.5. Is 6th in the NFL in yardage and has more yards and a better average thanLaDainian TomlinsonI think they should TRY VERY HARD to keep Rudi in stripes for a fewmore years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Oh and Rudi very well could break Dillons franchise recordof 1435 yards in a season and make the Pro Bowl.He is only 386 yards shy of that mark with 5 games remaining.He needs to average 77.2 yards a game to match it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I've never disagreed with Dumbety more. The Bengals should offer Rudi a 6 year contract with the last year voidable, front loaded so that as he gets older he costs less, and lock him up. Rudi is young enough that he's just like a rookie coming into the league, only proven. Rudi is doing things even behind a busted ass line, and is getting better as the year progresses. Rudi has the right attitude towards TEAM play. Rudi MUST be signed long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 he has a point i.m.o. we are kinda like denver, just as long as jim anderson is coaching, i mean he turns out 1000 yard running backs like crazy so who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 So what if we turn out 1000 yard running backs like crazy. Rudi has EARNED the respect of this team, and unless we can get a trade for Rudi to get a HUGE windfall, it just wouldn't be right to not reward him for what he's done. Besides, Mike Brown WILL be loyal to this kid, he can't help himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Letting Rudi go is ignorant as hell.Do we really want to start all over again next season with an unproven RB now? There's no reason they can't afford him - I don't care who they have to cut to make room (shouldn't take much really).Why is it the Bengals are always in the poor house while other teams have no problem handling 3-4 stars???I'm tired of that excuse here - the Bengals have a sweet stadium deal and are one of the most profitable franchises in all of pro sports.Why does the guy get no respect here?When Dillon had a 200 yard game here it was like he was the freakin' messiah.When Rudi does it - people talk about him being too expensive and wanting the bust Perry to pick up the slack.If the Bengals want to go back to 3-13 years they'll let guys like Rudi, TJ and Warrick go, while keeping over-paid dead weight like Bobbie Williams, Powell, Hardy and Herring.I have no desire to go back to the dismal years of the 90's where the Bengals are depending every year on unproven players at key positions due to cheapness and the inability to draft properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 he has a point i.m.o. we are kinda like denver, just as long as jim anderson is coaching, i mean he turns out 1000 yard running backs like crazy so who knowsI'm sorry but this is a joke - since when is the 0-line and system here so good that they can just stick anyone back there and be Denver? HA! The o-line here, once again, is so overrated by people.Does anybody remember all of the 50-60 yard games Dillon and Rudi struggled through here this season and the last two seasons due to lack of blocking against good defenses? Does anyone watch Rudi run and how many yards he gets on his own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I agree with Daugherty insofar as there's a case to be made that we can let Rudi go. The strongest argument, IMHO, remains that we have Perry in the wings, and money spent on Rudi would be better spent elsewhere. But that's a definite risk, and no amount of reciting history, like Daugherty does, will guarantee Perry's success.Right now, I would prefer they keep Rudi, but the issue remains the same as it was last offseason: Rudi has no incentive to sign now. The way he's going, he's virtually a lock to land a franchise-tag-level deal. And I don't think the Bengals are going to put that kind of coin on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 It's a LOT of money. Just depends on how much confidence they have in Perry.Does anyone REALLY think they might make a run at Sean Alexander this offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted December 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 You have to look at the big picture. You can't tell me that Rudi is impossible to replace. You are only going to use 1 running back the majority of time. That money could be well spent on their defensive line. I love Rudi, but Marvin is going to let him go. This team isn't a Rudi away from being great, it's a defense away. He was insurance, just like Kitna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Mike Brown isn't going to let him go. Marvin will not let him go.Rudi is everything Marvin wants in a player. Hard working, effective, working to learn, quiet and unassuming, humble, team oriented, etc.I'd almost bet that if Brown/Lewis were offered Shawn Alexander straight up for Rudi Johnson they would decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 If Rudi is asking for anything more than 4 mil, let him go. We have too many other needs to actually worry about a RB when we have a first rounder on roster... I love Rudi, but I love the Bengals more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 he has a point i.m.o. we are kinda like denver, just as long as jim anderson is coaching, i mean he turns out 1000 yard running backs like crazy so who knows While watching from the sidelines this Summer in Georgetown, it seems like Jim Anderson was the only motivating coach out there. You could hear him constantly give directions, lessons, encouragement, etc. That's probably why he has lasted so long in this organization. I was certainly impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FonzieDog Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I think we need to make an honest effort to keep Rudi. Showing that we will reward good guys that perform well might go a long way for attracting potential future free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 What a conondrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I'd almost bet that if Brown/Lewis were offered Shawn Alexander straight up for Rudi Johnson they would decline. This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. Shaun Alexander is leading the NFL in rushing as well as being a great receiver out of the backfield (something Rudi definately is not). Alexander is clearly a top 5 NFL back, you cannot say the same thign about Rudi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 i agree with kirk for once. anything more than 4 million PEACE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Rudi is no Shaun Alexander.Rudi is, as pointed out by the group, young, solid, committed, and only getting better.Let's break down the scenarios.1. Rudi gets tagged. They tag him and pay the $4.5 - 5 Mil. They will also have Perry in the wings and probably Watson to continue to make the roster. This seems likely. It also will not ruin the cap for several years down the road and provide space to sign D.2. Rudi gets signed to multi-year deal. This seems unlikely. It is very costly, with bonuses that he could command and also basically gives him the nod over an unproven yet highly compensated Perry. This is too costly, especially since there are other FA's who could be signed as Perry gets going.3. Rudi gets traded. Hmmm...now it gets interesting. This scenario could net us a pick for like the Dillon trade. I can think of several teams who would like a guy like Rudi. Miami, Oak, Philly, Tampa. 4. Rudi gets let go. This is the most unlikely. Just him walking away will not happen. We will get value for him in some form. We do not have enough confidence in Perry or that they could (or should) go after Alexander for even bigger money. Alexander will be gonegoing to get paid big bank, bigger than Rudi, by one of those teams above, my guess is Philly or Oakland.My hope is that we make a run at him. With a solid O-line (take a center high in the draft) Rudi could lay wood for many years. He will only get better and seems highly durable, unlike "Ouch..my Pancreas" Perry. Best case scenario is that Rudi closes out very strong and the Bengals give him the adequate contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FonzieDog Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Has Rudi ever appeared on an injury report in his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 he had a quad pull his rookie year, but it didn't matter he wasn't playing anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Anothre damned good reason to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatness Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I really think that the Bengals will get a deal done with Rudi... I can see Daugherty's point in the article, but tell Dan Marino that a rushing game can just be found anywhere....Paul's Eagles comment was way wrong.... Brian Westbrook has been hurt most of the season, and you can ask any player on that offense who the most important player is: Brian Westbrook...he integral to that offense...with him they are a machine...without him they just get by...A running game is essential to having long term success....there is no way around it... and since we haven't had a chance to see Perry this year, its even more important to keep Rudi... This team is on the verge of breaking into the next level of success, the more continuity they can have the better...Now there is an economic breaking point.... which is why I think it would be smart to at least throw a modest offer out on the table now.... It will only get worse as the season goes on and his numbers and all the hype increase..... Put something on the table now for them to chew on.... He just might take it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 good idea. He's young and a team guy That's a combo you can't find in the NFL So maybe you can use the team concept to lower his contract (kind of like a pats deal) I love to see them throw a 4 year deal worth roughly 4 mil a year. Propose that then see what him and his agent says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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