Red_Bengal Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Leonard pope was just cut by Arizona he had a lot of hype coming out of the draft a few years ago. He might not be a bad option for a pickup. He would probably start. You guys agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Disagree he's not a blocking TE hence he wouldn't start,But I wanted the guy when he came out so I wouldn't mind him as a 3# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 If it gets rid of Coats, then sure. Coffman isn't ready, looks too hesitant right now, and his pass blocking is non-existent so he won't be much use this season. How long is Reggie out for again, can't remember if it's long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Disagree he's not a blocking TE hence he wouldn't startFair enough, he's a no then. Damn you Utecht, damn you to hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Bengal Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 You can't tell me hes that much worse than coats. But all in all he is absolutely better than coffman at blocking and might give Brat that two tight end set he has prepared all off-season for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 If it gets rid of Coats, then sure. Coffman isn't ready, looks too hesitant right now, and his pass blocking is non-existent so he won't be much use this season. How long is Reggie out for again, can't remember if it's long term.Season -- it was an achilles tendon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 I seriously doubt they pick anyone up. It's not Brown's MOThat being said, I wouldn't mind having him, but the only way they get rid of Coats is if they get a blocking TE. As sad as it is, Coats is the best blocking TE we have available right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Leonard pope was just cut by Arizona he had a lot of hype coming out of the draft a few years ago. He might not be a bad option for a pickup. He would probably start. You guys agree?I follow the Cardinals very closely here in Arizona, and Pope just never adapted to the NFL. Of course at his size he could always give the NBA a decent shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 If it gets rid of Coats, then sure. Coffman isn't ready, looks too hesitant right now, and his pass blocking is non-existent so he won't be much use this season. How long is Reggie out for again, can't remember if it's long term.Season -- it was an achilles tendon.Ooooooooooooookaaaaaay. We're proper screwed. No to Pope it seems and I'd rather see that fat bastard Lippincott suit up before Coats. We'll be busy chasing TEs around all day after the cuts. Cut Coats before that even. He's no use, and I take RM's point. He's the best blocking TE we have, and that is mightily depressing, but 100% of s**t is still s**t. We've gone from a reasonable group to having nothing at the TE position.Just get one that can act as the usual 6th lineman. It's not like he'll get thrown too much under Brat anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 If it gets rid of Coats, then sure. Coffman isn't ready, looks too hesitant right now, and his pass blocking is non-existent so he won't be much use this season. How long is Reggie out for again, can't remember if it's long term.Season -- it was an achilles tendon.Ooooooooooooookaaaaaay. We're proper screwed. No to Pope it seems and I'd rather see that fat bastard Lippincott suit up before Coats. We'll be busy chasing TEs around all day after the cuts. Cut Coats before that even. He's no use, and I take RM's point. He's the best blocking TE we have, and that is mightily depressing, but 100% of s**t is still s**t. We've gone from a reasonable group to having nothing at the TE position.Just get one that can act as the usual 6th lineman. It's not like he'll get thrown too much under Brat anyway.If you're looking for a one trick pony to use in max protect situations, why not just use Andre Smith? If you're looking for a real TE, perhaps a handful of guys will be out there. I saw mentioned in another thread the likelihood of Ben Watson being cut by NE.And what do the Bengals have to offer a recently cut veteran that most other teams can't? A starting position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Watson would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 It's hard not to drool over 6'8". He kinda sucks, but I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Being a native of the Peach State, I'm a big 'Dawgs fan and have followed his career since UGA was recruiting him out of Americus, mostly due to his incredible size. He is certainly a freak of an athlete. I know he ran in the low 4.6's at around 260 pounds coming out as a Junior. At one point, he was considered a 1st round talent. It's sort of ironic that Pope replaced Ben Watson there, once Ben turned Pro, and they could both be on the streets this afternoon after underperforming in the NFL. JP Foschi is known as a "block-first" TE, and has also played some FB in the NFL, so I think he sticks (if they go with 3 TEs). Hell, he could even end up starting at some point this season if Coats doesn't become more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrus Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Joe Klopfenstein is one who I was interested in coming out of college and I believe he's also just been cut. Anybody know much about his pro career thus far? Obviously not much to write home about, but he might have some potential as "our kind" of TE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Could anybody else on here see them keeping Purify on as the third TE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Could anybody else on here see them keeping Purify on as the third TE?Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Ooooooooooooookaaaaaay. We're proper screwed.Naw, still some cuts coming, some veterans always get cut in part due to cap, and that's just the kinda guy we need who will sign for a year for vet min....both as starting TE and 3rd CBI'd rather see that fat bastard Lippincott suit up before Coats.Coats had some good blocks this past game, including in the first three plays that sprung for good gains Cedric. I agree he has had some bad moments, but let's give him a chance. This is only year 3 for him, and he had a position switch forced on his last year. Also, he is one of the physically strongest guys on the team...40+ reps at his combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Coats had some good blocks this past game, including in the first three plays that sprung for good gains Cedric. I agree he has had some bad moments, but let's give him a chance. This is only year 3 for him, and he had a position switch forced on his last year. Also, he is one of the physically strongest guys on the team...40+ reps at his combine.I take your point, especially the part about totally leaving him out to swing in the wind by bundling him into being a FB. I mean, WTF? Cutting him outright is probably not going to happen and might not be fair currently (what with our first two TEs already gone for the season). No way is he starting material though, IMO. Derek mentions Watson, he's started in the league before and we can offer him a starting position. Whether or not he's one of those players who will be motivated enough by that to come here for maybe lower wages/foregoing a backup spot on a team with better short term prospects I dunno.CB pickups will be huge. It might make the difference this yr because otherwise if when JJ goes down again.....*cries softly* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Derek, nice post on the Andre Smith holding the blocking position at TE in certain looks. I made a post with the exact same thought based on the fact that both Levi Jones and Willie Anderson got thier first snaps doing the exact same thing at the TE spot when they were drafted.From what I remember about Pope, I really wanted him coming out of college, but he has struggled in the pro system since being drafted. Hey Billy, was it Pope that got himself into a little trouble last year, or was that someone else I'm thinking of.I don't think he's the answer to any of our questions at TE. Neither is Coats, but I'm just saying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Hey Billy, was it Pope that got himself into a little trouble last year, or was that someone else I'm thinking of.I think it was someone else. The only trouble Leonard Pope got into out here in Arizona was not being able to block. His extreme height worked against him in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 That same problem could also work against Coffman, who is quite tall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I don't think our TE situation is as dire as some of you think. I agree that Coats isn't the answer, but he can block and be serviceable until Coffman is ready to step in. Yes, I think Coffman will start sooner than later. The guy is a real talent and natural born TE. He was the best college TE in 2008 and has everything it takes to make it big in the NFL. While blocking is not his strength, he is a big and tough guy and will work on that part of his game.Coffman is a first rate talent, and we have him. In my opinion, he's better than Utecht and will eventually be better than Kelly. I know almost nothing about Foschi. I do think we can do better. I would put in a waiver claim on Bear Pascoe, formerly of the 49ers. Pascoe is big, rugged and excels as an in-line blocker. He also has pretty good hands and is more than willing to make the tough catch in traffic. I liked Pope coming out of college, but he hasn't progressed much, has he? Right now, I don't think he would be any improvement over Coffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Just get Coffman competent enough at blocking so that when he's in the game the D doesn't automatically know what's coming. He doesn't have to be Munoz mk II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Just get Coffman competent enough at blocking so that when he's in the game the D doesn't automatically know what's coming. He doesn't have to be Munoz mk II.EXACTLYYou do not want a situation where a guy's mere presence tips the defense to pass versus run. Gimme one good two-way TE over 2 other guys one of whom is a great receiver and the other is a great blocker....I'll take the good 2-way player over 2 great specialistsHopefully, Coffman can be that guy.We'll see.....and this year, even.......he's certainly going to see a lot of time on the field in 2009 since we have no one else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Just get Coffman competent enough at blocking so that when he's in the game the D doesn't automatically know what's coming. He doesn't have to be Munoz mk II.EXACTLYYou do not want a situation where a guy's mere presence tips the defense to pass versus run. Gimme one good two-way TE over 2 other guys one of whom is a great receiver and the other is a great blocker....I'll take the good 2-way player over 2 great specialistsHopefully, Coffman can be that guy.We'll see.....and this year, even.......he's certainly going to see a lot of time on the field in 2009 since we have no one elseThat was going to be the situation with Chase/Coates/Kelly anyways. Until Chase can actually block, they may as well go with Coates, who can blck and catch. Chase can come in on spread situations and work the weakside slot. I would not trust Chase to block on a pass play, and unly in a run play where they run weakside, away from where he is blocking.As for Utecht and Kelly, I think the more brutal business side of things will catch up to them. For Utecth, a somewhat innocuous hit has finished his season. How he can come back in a year makes you wonder if he is worth the time and money. Kelly is a guy who clearly has a great work ethic and leadership presence. I could see this injury being one that is his gateway to becoming an asst coach under Hayes, giving him a path forward into a coaching career. I think his playing days are over, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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