Kazkal Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Keiwans 40..AGILITY TESTS4.6 in the 40-yard dash …I know the 40 is overrated but god if we take another CB with LB speed,I'm gonna cry.Hughes & hall = Tory and Keiwan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I agree!Especially, when our CBs have to cover for such a long time because of our poor pass rush.We need fast, quick CB -- who, ideally, can come up and support the run defense. Duh!!! IMHO it will be difficult to find one of these special CB in this draft. Maybe someone will be available in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 ybe someone will be available in FA.more luck in the draft o_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 With 40 times that poor, those players would probably fall into the second round. McCauley and Houston would pass 'em up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Well it was Keiwan who ran the 4.6....but hall,hughes and if I'm not mistaken revis all are expected run 4.5ishBut hell if hall ran 4.28 still woulden't want him because you know he doesnt run fast on the field o_o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrod382 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Chris Houston or Revis pending what Revis does in the '40 but I think he'll be 4.4's somewhere.Keiwan wouldn't be a bad CB if not for his lack of speed... I laugh because I have heard a couple people saying he'll be our starter at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 He'd be decent corner for pure zone team I would think....but meh Should try trade him really not gonna bring us much next year and then he's gone...Taken from old profile on joseph His hype as a prospect is based solely off his natural talent and upside.I WANT ANOTHER JOSEPH I want a CB with tons of upside...rather then what you see is what you get when you draft him ala Hall and alot of the high skill low speed corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrod382 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I agree completely about guys having potential. I would love McCauley in the 2nd but I'm not sure he has the passion, that's the only part that bothers me.I'm all for Johnathan Wade round 2 if there's no other options at CB. Seems like a JJ clone of sorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 With 40 times that poor, those players would probably fall into the second round. McCauley and Houston would pass 'em up.McCauley looked so stiff at the Senior Bowl though. He looked damn good in press coverage, but when he had a big cushion he looked really uncomfortable. He's tough, I just don't know if he would fit what we're looking for.If it's just draft position that you're talking about, feel free to ignore me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 If it's just draft position that you're talking about, feel free to ignore me. Yup, that was more my intent. I agree though, there are CBs I'd rather the Bengals take with either day one pick than McCauley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 With 40 times that poor, those players would probably fall into the second round. McCauley and Houston would pass 'em up.McCauley looked so stiff at the Senior Bowl though. He looked damn good in press coverage, but when he had a big cushion he looked really uncomfortable. He's tough, I just don't know if he would fit what we're looking for.If it's just draft position that you're talking about, feel free to ignore me. Um don't we won't Corners who can play tight rather then a 10 yard cushion like tory and keiwan? if it's something they think they can teach him be worth it....I agree though, there are CBs I'd rather the Bengals take with either day one pick than McCauley.I feel same way though I'd take a chance on McCauley in rnd 2 rather then hall in rnd 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 McCauley's problem is kind of assbackwards to what the CBs who get tagged zone corners face. He's fine in press but looks lost when he's off the line. But he's got the easier problem to correct ans teams should still prioritize him over the slower CBs, especially coupled with his physical play vs, the run.Hall, Houston, Ross, Hughes and Revis all will get tied to their top end speed invariably but if all the Bengals need to do this year is replace Tory James, all of them are an instant upgrade. Houston IMO is the one of them who is better suited to replace O'Neal should that become and issue, whether via Marv's kennel or injury. Plus Houston ishould prove nearly as quick in slot coverage as J Joe. Ross might also bring a lesser degree of this versaility and be a better weakside corner than Houston.But the Bengals could face that bad situation of drafting team need over BPA if they go corner IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 I like McCauley, just dont think he fits the scheme. I love the bump n' run style, and I think JJ fits it too, and taking McCauley could signal a shift to that style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 beats letting the CB always play with a 10 yard cushion "shrugs" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Houston clocked in preatty small at 5'9 185.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Hoouston is small and that's probably his biggest rub and the very thing Sidney Rice exploited. He'll have problems with taller receivers and I don't think he's equipped enough with his vertical and in-the-air skills to offset the height difference as well as Tye Hill has a chance to do in the vertical game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Ya and Tye Hill even clocked in taller,I thought houston was about same size as Jjoe big 5'10/5'11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I think Houston has strange build for a CB. Granted, he's put together pretty well, but you rarely see top corners with short heavily muscled legs. BTW, I disagree that McCauley's problems are easier to correct. He plays well as bump and run CB precisely because competing as an athlete is about all he can do. Back him off a few steps, as is required in any Cover 2 scheme, and it becomes shockingly obvious that he lacks technique, instincts, and experience....things that the so-called slower corners all boast of. I think McCauley will probably struggle facing NFL wideouts that are as gifted athletically as he is, and his struggles with technique and experience will only serve to reduce his playing speed. Knowing that, I think Hughes, Revis, and Hall should all have an easier transition to the NFL while McCauley will probably need several seasons to adjust, and the fact that he struggled so badly as a senior does not speak well of his ability to absorb coaching. Frankly, I'd take any of the slower CB's over McCauley...as well as a half dozen others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Houston is a strange looking CB. He stands to get some workout warrior tag to him. The NFLN keeps showing over and over again him lined up against Jarrett and how tight he was but hopefully they'll show some tape of him against Meachem and Rice. The biggest problems with him I've seen is he'll lose the height battle when the ball is thrown to a taller receiver at a highpoint he just can't get to and he turns all the way around too much which takes too long to redirect despite his quickness and recovery speed.If slower zone corners are the order of the day for the Bengals, they'll have no problem in this draft. They're always a dime a dozen and even the great college ball hawkers, route readers and route jumpers like Keiwan Ratliff get abused with too much cushion and the lack of receovery speed to do anything but concede the quick slants and short stops underneath and pray like hell that the safety gets over the top in time when the ball is thrown deep. Try putting one of these types in the slot and it gets even worse. McCauley can at the very least play slot and physical press corner with better ability to shed blocks on screens and runs. It'll be easier to teach a CB with those skills how to keep their feet better positioned and read what they see in any Cover 2 or quarters coverage than it is to do the impossible and make 10-yard cushion corner like Hughes physically do what he can't. Darrelle Revis remains the most intriguing corner to me and still the best prospect of the bunch. But it's hard to tell as little as he was thrown at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrod382 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I'm anxious for Revis/Houston to run tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I'm anxious for Revis/Houston to run tomorrow. Yep, CB seems to be looking more and more like the pick they'll make, so have to watch all these guys closely.No James, a soon-to-be FA in Ratliff, and a questionable Deltha attitude, means they're in deep sh$% if someone goes down or doesn't work out (Deltha) and play like he's capable of. Best case you have the nicest, youngest CB trio in the entire league, and two decent safeties, one with a lot of upside left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 How about a CB with LB strength -- Brandt has Houston with 27 reps. Something ain't right there -- looks unnatural to see a guy that small with arms the size of legs playing CB. Maybe he's got juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Aye,Quinn did 24 as a QB but he was freaking ripped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Well, so much for the thread title. Hall ripped it up. Oh, they just announced that Revis isn't running at the combine. Gonna wait until his Pro Day. That's a little disappointing, but then again he's too big to put up low numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Well, so much for the thread title. Hall ripped it up. But how fast does hall play? theres a reason why everyone was thinking he'd run a sub 4.5...wheres the speed when hes playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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