County Lawsuit Dismissed

[w8th]

Maybe now the Bengals will get an indoor practice facillity.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...EWS01/302090013

[HairOnFire]

It's great news. In fact, the only thing that would have pleased me more would have been a further ruling demanding the Bengals be reimbursed for their legal expenses.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Word on the indoor practice facility - it's absolutely ridiculous that the Bengals' don't have one yet - and thus are at a significant disadvantage to other cold weather clubs.

[turningpoint]

well where the f**k should we put it?

There is no room down there, unless the bubble the astroturf practice field.

I coudl see them buying some land in KY 10 mins down i-75....but that's about it.

[LB51]

No room???

Last I saw, there was still a ton of unused real estate between the two stadiums.

Oh, wait. That's the "banks project"!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Thank goodness someone saw the logic in saying IF YOU NEGOTIATE BADLY, YOU CANNOT JUST SUE.

[HoosierCat]

Indoor practice facility? Sounded good while the suit was on. But now..."major investment"..."finite resources"..."no room"..."won't help for 10 months"...same old same old...

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...SPT02/302100009

Hamilton County’s lawsuit against the NFL, Bengals and other clubs was one of the obstacles preventing the team from building an indoor practice facility.

But the dismissal of the county’s suit Thursday by federal court judge Arthur Spiegel does not mean the Bengals will automatically start to build.

“It’s not quite as simple as a one-to-one relationship between the lawsuit and the indoor facility,” Bengals public relations director Jack Brennan said.

Among issues complicating the construction of an indoor facility is potential labor unrest in the NFL. The league and players union have yet to agree on an extension to the collective bargaining agreement, which would eliminate the salary cap for 2007.

Bengals president Mike Brown told the Enquirer in a December 2004 interview that the club was considering an indoor facility. They are just one of six of the 32 teams – and the only one in a cold-weather climate – that lacks an indoor practice facility. The only others are in Florida (Miami, Tampa Bay and Jacksonville), Arizona (the Arizona Cardinals) and southern California (San Diego).

“It's something we have on our to-do list," Brown told the Enquirer in 2004. “We have a lot of things that are on our plate. That one would be nice to have.”

But the stadium lease-related lawsuit brought by Hamilton County against the Bengals and the NFL -- which sought up to $600 million in damages -- might have prevented the organization from getting all of the items on its wish list.

“We have some key issues we are facing that have to be addressed first,” Brown said at the time.

Issues of how a building could fit on the practice-field property immediately west of Paul Brown Stadium needed to be examined, Brown said. But the club had appeared otherwise poised to invest the $2 million to $2.5 million needed to build the indoor practice facility.

Beside the uncertainty surrounding the CBA extension, Brennan said Thursday that a construction timeline of 10 months minimum makes an indoor facility a project that could not help the team in 2006. Brennan also said such a major investment of the club’s “finite resources” would have to be weighed against other possible expenditures that could help the team’s prospects.

In 2003 and 2004, coach Marvin Lewis bused his players and assistant coaches 60 miles round trip to the Wall2Wall indoor soccer complex in Mason to practice to avoid winter storms.

[HairOnFire]

Indoor practice facility? Sounded good while the suit was on. But now..."major investment"..."finite resources"..."no room"..."won't help for 10 months"...same old same old...

How can you complain that the Bengals have suddenly shifted their position when nearly all of the above quotes attributed to the Bengals were several years old?

Assuming for a moment that you won't bother arguing the point about the facility not being ready soon enough to help this season, here's the only new quote you can use for your latest conspiracy theory.

“It’s not quite as simple as a one-to-one relationship between the lawsuit and the indoor facility,” Bengals public relations director Jack Brennan

Wow, what a bombshell.

[buck3y3d]

Make Mike Brown pay for his own practice facility. I'm tired of spending money for a team that turns a substantial profit every year. If they need one, pay for it himself. He didn't spend crap for 15 years.

From now on, when you post on the topic of an indoor facility and support it, could you please include a tag saying if you live inside of Hamilton County? If you do, do you realize the temporary tax hike for 20 years will only pay off 50 percent of these stadiums.

We need things in Hamilton County, not a practice facility for a team that plays a sports OUTSIDE on gamedays. It's a sport, get over it.

[HoosierCat]

How can you complain that the Bengals have suddenly shifted their position when nearly all of the above quotes attributed to the Bengals were several years old?

Since when does 14 months = several years ?

[Whur CHad At?]

We don't need a Indoor Facility. Keep it outside, like real men.

[HairOnFire]

How can you complain that the Bengals have suddenly shifted their position when nearly all of the above quotes attributed to the Bengals were several years old?

Since when does 14 months = several years ?

The article stated the quotes were from a 2004 interview. It's 2006, right? So I'm satisfied that at first glance it qualifies as several years. Quite honestly, I didn't bother consulting the calendar to determine how many actual months had passed between when the statements had been made and when they were republished, as I'm not one trying to imply that the old quotes were proof of a change in the Bengals stance now that the lawsuit has been thrown out. No, Joisey, you're the one attempting to do that and I doubt you'll find much traction proving the Bengals are now saying something completely different when you're using the same quotes offered before the lawsuit was dismissed. It doesn't make a bit of difference if the quotes are 14 months old or 24 months. The only thing relevant is the fact that the Bengals haven't changed their stance, or their statements, as you've claimed.

Again, the only NEW statement was Jack Brennan's remark that the dismissal of the lawsuit and immediate construction of the practice facility didn't share a simple one-on-one relationship. Well, how shocking is that? Building the practice facility will take time, has to be planned for, and will present it's own challenges. But discussion of those challenges doesn't represent a change in stance since those reasons were mentioned 14 MONTHS AGO and were reviewed for the express purpose of better informing the fanbase...apparently at the risk that a few of you could have a fresh opportunity to whine about half-baked conspiracy charges and tired claims of same old, same old.

But who would make such tired claims based soley on the fact that the bulldozers weren't tearing up the ground within 5 minutes of the decision to dismiss the lawsuit? Well, round up the usual suspects, and throw a wet blanket over them.

Last, for those prepared to argue that the dismissal of the lawsuit and the construction of the practice facility do indeed share a direct relationship, consider this. I haven't read anything stating that the judges ruling wouldn't be appealed.

[HoosierCat]

I'm not one trying to imply that the old quotes were proof of a change in the Bengals stance now that the lawsuit has been thrown out. No, Joisey, you're the one attempting to do that

I am? How does "same old same old" = changing their stance?

The Bengals have been flirting with a bubble since Geoff had a real job. But somehow, they always find an excuse not to, such as, in 2002, interference from a proposed light rail link. Mike Brown, as already noted, added the new wrinkle of the lawsuit 14 months ago. Just four months back, near mid-season, Marvin Lewis himself could be seen lobbying for a bubble, with blame for a delay being placed on the lawsuit. But now that the lawsuit is gone? Yup: same old same old. Bengals have been finding excuses not to spend the money for a bubble for eight years. And as I pointed out in my original post, that didn't change when the suit was dismissed.

[HairOnFire]

Indoor practice facility? Sounded good while the suit was on. But now..."major investment"..."finite resources"..."no room"..."won't help for 10 months"...same old same old...

"Sounded good while the suit was on?

But now...?

It sure sounds to me like you're claiming that after the lawsuit was dismissed the Bengals changed their stance. But how could that be true when the very quotes that drew your ire were made 14 MONTHS before the lawsuit was dismissed?

Hey, you DID realize that they were old quotes, didn't you?

[HairOnFire]

But now that the lawsuit is gone? Yup: same old same old. Bengals have been finding excuses not to spend the money for a bubble for eight years. And as I pointed out in my original post, that didn't change when the suit was dismissed.

So you're going to continue complaining that the bulldozers haven't yet been set loose upon the land even though the lawsuit was dismissed THURSDAY? So what are we talking about here...less than two working days?

What's the matter with you? Do you even realize you're thinking like a chick?

"The only thing wrong with instant gratification is it takes too long." --- Carrie Fisher

[HoosierCat]

"Sounded good while the suit was on?

But now...?

It sure sounds to me like you're claiming that after the lawsuit was dismissed the Bengals changed their stance.

No, dearie. The lawsuit was the "change." Buidling the bubble was all the rage suddenly, from Mikey to Marvin...but alas the lawsuit was now in the way. No suit? Well, we're back to the same old thing: lots of reasons why it can't be done.

So what are we talking about here...less than two working days?

So after eight years of avoiding the issue, you think two days, or two more years, is going to make a difference? My, you are gullible, aren't you?

[HairOnFire]

No, dearie. The lawsuit was the "change." Buidling the bubble was all the rage suddenly, from Mikey to Marvin...but alas the lawsuit was now in the way. No suit? Well, we're back to the same old thing: lots of reasons why it can't be done.

Precious, they didn't say it couldn't be done. All of the factors listed were mentioned prior to the lawsuit being dismissed and thus represent no change in their position whatsoever. The only new statement made by the Bengals after the lawsuit was dismissed pointed out that the practice facility couldn't be constructed in time to help the Bengals this season, an idea that doesn't sound out of the question when you consider that very little actual planning has likely been done.

What are you expecting, a circus tent?

[HairOnFire]

So after eight years of avoiding the issue, you think two days, or two more years, is going to make a difference? My, you are gullible, aren't you?

I think in this example true gullibility might be best described as someone who thought the Bengals would break ground on a new multi-million dollar indoor practice facility only a few hours after a very stupid lawsuit had been thrown out. And I have to add that only the amazingly gullible would expect the Bengals to announce whatever their plans might be before the threat of further legal appeals hadn't been exhausted.

Again, it hasn't even been two full working days since the lawsuit was dismissed, yet you've already spent several days complaining that things are going too slow.

Relax.

Pace yourself.

Spread your offseason anger out over the following weeks and months.

In time Cincy will get it's own precious bubble.

[HoosierCat]

Again, it hasn't even been two full working days since the lawsuit was dismissed, yet you've already spent several days complaining that things are going too slow.

I have? Where? Show me anywhere I've ever pined for a bubble. IMHO, a bubble would be a luxury: nice to have, but somehow the Bengals have survived almost 40 years without one. They'll live.

In time Cincy will get it's own precious bubble.

Oh, maybe in a 100 or so years when global warming has turned Cincy's summer tropical and its winters arctic, yeah. But in your or my lifetimes? Nope. Why would Mikey spend $2 million to build, and then thousands annually to maintain, a bubble that the team arguably needs just a couple times a year? I'm sure renting out that soccer place in Mason doesn't cost him more than a few tens of thousands a pop at most. His millionaire players have to endure a 60 minute bus ride? I'm sure his heart bleeds.

[HairOnFire]

Again, it hasn't even been two full working days since the lawsuit was dismissed, yet you've already spent several days complaining that things are going too slow.

I have? Where? Show me anywhere I've ever pined for a bubble.

If you want proof of your complaining just reread this thread.

As for the bubble, if you have no interest in seeing it constructed then your whining about the issue is completely pointless.

Let's move on.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Make Mike Brown pay for his own practice facility. I'm tired of spending money for a team that turns a substantial profit every year. If they need one, pay for it himself. He didn't spend crap for 15 years.

From now on, when you post on the topic of an indoor facility and support it, could you please include a tag saying if you live inside of Hamilton County? If you do, do you realize the temporary tax hike for 20 years will only pay off 50 percent of these stadiums.

We need things in Hamilton County, not a practice facility for a team that plays a sports OUTSIDE on gamedays. It's a sport, get over it.

First of all, where did you ever get the idea the Bengals wouldn't be paying for their own practice facility?

Secondly, you complain about spending money for a team that turns a profit every year. Do you complain when you pay your bill to the gas and electric company? They make profits every year. Do you complain when you pay taxes on your gasoline? Gas companies make profits every year. Do you complain when you pay a sales tax on clothing you buy? Kmart makes profits most years.

Quitchurbitchen. I live in Hamilton County, and guess what, even people who don't often SHOP in Hamilton County. And if you don't want to pay the tax, you are free to drive to Northern Kentucky and go to the Florence Mall to shop. After all, it's a SALES TAX, not a homeowners tax. If it were a land tax of some sort, then perhaps homeowners in Hamilton County could complain about it. Even trailer trash.

[HoosierCat]

If you want proof of your complaining just reread this thread.

Okay...

{reads}

Nope. Never complained about anything, not even your gratitious insults. But believe what you will.

[HairOnFire]

Nope. Never complained about anything, not even your gratitious insults. But believe what you will.

So you haven't complained about anything? Really?

Well, go figure.

I guess you don't understand the things you write anymore than you understand the things you read.

[HoosierCat]

So you haven't complained about anything? Really?

Well, go figure.

I guess you don't understand the things you write anymore than you understand the things you read.

At the risk of repeating myself...nope. Never complained about anything, not even your gratitious insults. But believe what you will.

[HairOnFire]

So you haven't complained about anything? Really?

Well, go figure.

I guess you don't understand the things you write anymore than you understand the things you read.

At the risk of repeating myself...nope. Never complained about anything, not even your gratitious insults. But believe what you will.

Well, I'm sure two can play that game.

So you haven't complained about anything? Really?

Well, go figure

I guess you don't understand the things you write anymore than you understand the things you read.