WretchedOne Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Lets trade Tory James and our 1st round draft pick to the Titans for Albert Haynesworth and their 3rd or 4rd round draft pick.Discuss... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABengalsFan09 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Lets trade Tory James and our 1st round draft pick to the Titans for Albert Haynesworth and their 3rd or 4rd round draft pick.Discuss...Good Idea, good luck getting the Titans to bite though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedOne Posted February 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 They might.Their secondary is HORRIBLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Not sure the Titans would want to let Big Albert loose a year early but given their recent track record as a revolving door for free agents and getting nothing but comp picks in return, maybe they should deal him.But this year's 1st rounder -- last week I would have said do it. After the Dopey fest, I'd say better burn that pick on WR.Also, a waiver wire player like Shaun Smith instantly upgraded DT versus the run. Another waiver wire pick-up would proly do the same, so given the status of the DT positions for the Bengals, I would doubt they burn a high draft pick on DT in a trade when the position is easily upgraded with minimal investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is the dumbest idea ever. If we do that, who's our nickle back? Hell, who's our 2nd CB? We sure aren't getting a good one in the draft after round 1. Tory James is a GOOD CORNERBACK. Rather than screwing up our secondary, lets improve it by drafting a safety with that first round pick. Tory went to the Pro Bowl last year because he had over the top help from Madieu. This year, he had CRAP at secondary to cover for his ballhawking play.Next you'll be saying trade Kitna and our 2nd round pick for Brett Favre who is retiring.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is the dumbest idea ever. If we do that, who's our nickle back? Hell, who's our 2nd CB? We sure aren't getting a good one in the draft after round 1. Tory James is a GOOD CORNERBACK. Rather than screwing up our secondary, lets improve it by drafting a safety with that first round pick. Tory went to the Pro Bowl last year because he had over the top help from Madieu. This year, he had CRAP at secondary to cover for his ballhawking play.Next you'll be saying trade Kitna and our 2nd round pick for Brett Favre who is retiring....I agree that James gets waaay too much flack. He is getting up there in age, so I have no problem with grooming a replacement, but nobody can cover a receiver ALL DAY, like the Bengal corners are asked to do. Our pass rush is laughable. Other than a late Pollock surge, the only time the DL registed a sack is when the secondary did manage to cover the receivers ALL DAY. If you give Justin Smith enough time, he will eventually work his way to the qb. But, nobody ever seems to just flat out beat an O-lineman. That's because our Tackles suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is the dumbest idea ever. If we do that, who's our nickle back? Hell, who's our 2nd CB? We sure aren't getting a good one in the draft after round 1. Tory James is a GOOD CORNERBACK. Rather than screwing up our secondary, lets improve it by drafting a safety with that first round pick. Tory went to the Pro Bowl last year because he had over the top help from Madieu. This year, he had CRAP at secondary to cover for his ballhawking play.Next you'll be saying trade Kitna and our 2nd round pick for Brett Favre who is retiring....I agree that James gets waaay too much flack. He is getting up there in age, so I have no problem with grooming a replacement, but nobody can cover a receiver ALL DAY, like the Bengal corners are asked to do. Our pass rush is laughable. Other than a late Pollock surge, the only time the DL registed a sack is when the secondary did manage to cover the receivers ALL DAY. If you give Justin Smith enough time, he will eventually work his way to the qb. But, nobody ever seems to just flat out beat an O-lineman. That's because our Tackles suck.Agreed. James biggest problem is that he bites on fakes... which is why we need Madieu back, a good SS that can cover, and a pass rush. Our 3 main weaknesses this season were the things that really makes James look bad. If we fix even 2 of the 3, my guess is he will be pro-bowl caliber again (even though we do need to get a CB to take his place sometime soon with the age issue) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is the dumbest idea ever. If we do that, who's our nickle back? Hell, who's our 2nd CB? We sure aren't getting a good one in the draft after round 1. Tory James is a GOOD CORNERBACK. Rather than screwing up our secondary, lets improve it by drafting a safety with that first round pick. Tory went to the Pro Bowl last year because he had over the top help from Madieu. This year, he had CRAP at secondary to cover for his ballhawking play.Next you'll be saying trade Kitna and our 2nd round pick for Brett Favre who is retiring....I agree that James gets waaay too much flack. He is getting up there in age, so I have no problem with grooming a replacement, but nobody can cover a receiver ALL DAY, like the Bengal corners are asked to do. Our pass rush is laughable. Other than a late Pollock surge, the only time the DL registed a sack is when the secondary did manage to cover the receivers ALL DAY. If you give Justin Smith enough time, he will eventually work his way to the qb. But, nobody ever seems to just flat out beat an O-lineman. That's because our Tackles suck.Yeah, so true, when is the last time you've seen Smith actually flat out beat a lineman and sack the QB? Never.I'm all for the Bengals' looking at a top CB in FA - Nate Clements immediately comes to mind, but no idea what his situation is like up there.With Madeiu back, a good FA CB, and a DE acquired somehow who can actually cause some havoc in opposing backfields - the defense might actually show some consistent improvement for the first time in 3+ years.Pollack is their best pure pass rusher - Geathers has potential still but doesn't get squat for protection, and is just too young and gifted to give up on at this point - should be a situational guy for now.As for this trade idea - it's rather pointless to talk about because this will never, ever happen.Legit pass rushers at DE are so rare and valuable these days, they almost rival franchise QB's for value.The Bengals' may very well have to settle for an upgrade at DT and CB or SS, or all 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Give up our 1st Round pick ?? Here's an idea... How about HELL NO !!! Not to mention the lack of depth at CB. Don't give me that "0Ratliff is the next coming" crap either. This is a bad idea...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 If we're engaging in any trades, I hope it will be to aquire more picks, not give them up. Marvin has done nothing but build a great young team with his draft first approach, and I wouldn't expect or want him to put that plan in jeapordy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 If we're engaging in any trades, I hope it will be to aquire more picks, not give them up. Marvin has done nothing but build a great young team with his draft first approach, and I wouldn't expect or want him to put that plan in jeapordy.Absofreakingtotallylutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Two words:N O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Yeah, so true, when is the last time you've seen Smith actually flat out beat a lineman and sack the QB? Never. You mean besides the times where he sacks the Steelers QB at the end of the game...sealing the victory? Or how about when he knocks the ball out of the QB's hand near the end of the game...sealing another victory? Or how about the time when he did that little nail in the coffin routine after sacking the Brownie QB late in the game...sealing the victory? Sacks on back to back plays? Yup, he's done that. Sacks that push the opposing team out of scoring position? Yup, that too. I could go on, but why bother? You're not listening...or acknowledging when Smith has done EXACTLY what you claim he can't do. In fact, you'll probably bitch about his replacement if you're given the chance. Hey, why can't they sack the QB on every play? BTW, the best thing about any plan that ends with Albert Haynesworth in Bengals stripes is the idea that Eric Steinbach wouldn't have to face the guy in meaningful football games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Yeah, so true, when is the last time you've seen Smith actually flat out beat a lineman and sack the QB? Never. You mean besides the times where he sacks the Steelers QB at the end of the game...sealing the victory? Or how about when he knocks the ball out of the QB's hand near the end of the game...sealing another victory? Or how about the time when he did that little nail in the coffin routine after sacking the Brownie QB late in the game...sealing the victory? Sacks on back to back plays? Yup, he's done that. Sacks that push the opposing team out of scoring position? Yup, that too. I could go on, but why bother? You're not listening...or acknowledging when Smith has done EXACTLY what you claim he can't do. In fact, you'll probably bitch about his replacement if you're given the chance. Hey, why can't they sack the QB on every play?Yeah, you're right. The Bengals DL is just flat out awesome. What the hell was I thinking? We need to think up a good nickname. Let's see the Fearsom Foursom is taken, Steel Curtain....no, already gone. What the hell ever. Smith is our best lineman and he is average at best! BTW, the best thing about any plan that ends with Albert Haynesworth in Bengals stripes is the idea that Eric Steinbach wouldn't have to face the guy in meaningful football games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsMan3203 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Haynesworth wife is totally hot.While at the Titans game last year I sat in the Titans Family section and got to see most of the players family. And yes, she came down to talk to someone and stood right in front of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I agree 100% with TNBT and Jet. There is no reason to fix what ain't wrong. Marvin would never destroy team chemistry. He wants to build this team with youth and drafting, so trades and free agent pick ups are HIGHLY unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 If we're engaging in any trades, I hope it will be to aquire more picks, not give them up. Marvin has done nothing but build a great young team with his draft first approach, and I wouldn't expect or want him to put that plan in jeapordy.Absofreakingtotallylutely!AT DT, the plan has hardly been draft first. It's now a rotation of 2 free agents and a waiver wire claim unless you want to count Mathias Askew and the situational use of Carl Plowed or Jumpy Jr.No team could expect the kind of deal with Haynesworth that the Bengals got in trading for O'Neal, but a late first round pick for one of the better, proven DTs in the league would be an absolute bargain. And in the Bengals case it would be a monster upgrade that would make the rest of the defense much better -- not that any upgrade would be that hard to do. So what plan is exactly in jeopardy on that side of the ball is questionable at best.As for James, no way Fisher pays anything but the cap-discounted vet minimum for a CB who will be 33 years old this year. And no way he parts with a mid round pick for James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincinnatiKid Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Two words:N OI am still waiting for the other word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 If we're engaging in any trades, I hope it will be to aquire more picks, not give them up. Marvin has done nothing but build a great young team with his draft first approach, and I wouldn't expect or want him to put that plan in jeapordy.Absofreakingtotallylutely!AT DT, the plan has hardly been draft first. It's now a rotation of 2 free agents and a waiver wire claim unless you want to count Mathias Askew and the situational use of Carl Plowed or Jumpy Jr.Actually, the plan has been draft first at DT. This is why we haven't signed a big name DT in free agency, but rather some scrubs who can provide some depth and that's about it each year. There is always hope for a great DT in the draft, but the fact is, we have gone another direction because the quality of DT has not been there the last two drafts. Instead we have grabbed linebackers and secondary, along with help on the Oline and of course the infamous Chris "More than Two Carry" Perry pick.We are still waiting for the DT of the future in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 We are still waiting for the DT of the future in the draft. God D**N we've been waiting a long time... Wish there was a way to speed up the process, outside of trading up and giving up picks.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhunkE1 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 What are the chances of "Big Daddy" Dan Wilkinson coming back to Cin? I think he's an FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Sounds wonderful, we should look into Big Daddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbx182 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 the fix will come in the draft. just wait. and i say use the extra cap money to get some o-linemen signed this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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