If you already hated Boomer, here`s another reason

[oldschooler]

Bengals in disarray during, after loss

By Mike Prisuta

TRIBUNE-REVIEW

Thursday, January 12, 2006

Former Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason chastised Cincinnati coach Marvin Lewis and criticized wide receiver Chad Johnson on Wednesday in the wake of the Bengals' 31-17 playoff loss to the Steelers.

Boomer's beef with Lewis involved a postgame declaration that the Bengals weren't going to "cry" about Kimo von Oelhoffen knocking Carson Palmer out of Sunday's game, "like their quarterback did."

That was going too far, in Esiason's estimation.

"Absolutely, because Marvin Lewis has his own problems," Esiason said during an appearance on the WDVE-FM Morning Show. "They had a huge fight in that locker room at halftime. It's the truth, flat out. (Wide receiver) Chad Johnson got into it with their wide receivers coach, Hue Jackson. (Wide receiver) T. J. Houshmandzadeh and Marvin came over to break it up and Chad was uncontrollable.

"So, Marvin Lewis should just worry about his own team."

Johnson denied taking a swing at Lewis on Tuesday, after profootballtalk.com posted a report detailing a halftime altercation.

Esiason maintained Johnson became upset after catching two passes for 30 yards during a first half that ended with the Bengals leading, 17-14.

Johnson wound up with four receptions for 59 yards and failed to catch a touchdown pass for the third time in three games against the Steelers this season.

"He wanted the ball more, screaming and yelling," Esiason said. "Guys are trying to tell him calm down; we're all in this together; your quarterback's hurt. I mean, show a little professionalism, for crying out loud.

"He's a knucklehead. He's a wide receiver in the NFL. Not everybody can be Hines Ward. If I could have 100 Hines Wards on my team, we would never lose a game. The bottom line is that (Ward) is the quintessential, unselfish, tremendous football player that every wide receiver should be like. He never complains. He blocks downfield. He understands his role in the offense and he just loves winning."

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger expressed surprise yesterday when responding to Lewis' charge.

"You don't expect that coming from a guy like that," Roethlisberger said. "Obviously, he was a little frustrated, but I don't remember complaining.

"It's just unfortunate coming from a guy like that."

Steelers coach Bill Cowher had addressed Lewis' remark Tuesday, saying "I would like to think it was said out of frustration."

Roethlisberger had called a hit to the knee by Cincinnati linebacker Odell Thurman in the Bengals' 38-31 victory over the Steelers on Dec. 4 at Heinz Field "a little dirty."

Replays confirmed Thurman was tripped on his way to the backfield by Steelers center Jeff Hartings and fell into Roethlisberger.

Thurman was penalized 15 yards for roughing the passer.

Esiason believes the Bengals have a problem with the Steelers in general.

"Pittsburgh is their measuring stick because Pittsburgh runs the team much like the Bengals run their team," he said. "It's family owned, but yet Pittsburgh for all these years has owned them and basically has been a more competitive franchise.

"I think Marvin should just worry about losing the game and controlling his own team as opposed to taking on other players."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-re...e/s_412642.html

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Why would I hate Boomer for THAT? He's right...it's not the coaches place to call out the players from another team. That's just opening a whole world of media issues that the Bengals don't need to deal with right now. This is the first thing Marvin has done that I don't approve of.

That said, I'm more than willing to overlook it. I think he said it out of frustration, and he is only human, after all. These things happen.

[walshfan]

Everything Boomer said is true....

Chad Johnson is a whiner when he doesnt get the amount of balls thrown his way he thinks he needs...He had more balls thrown to him than any receiver in the league and still finds time to bitch about it..

He's maturity level is on par with 12-15 year olds.. His constant need of attention might be wearing thin with Marvin...

Some kind of outburst happened in the lockerroom at halftime ...Im beleiving it all went down like reported aside from the headlock on Hue Jackson...

Marvin went over the line about his remarks on Ben... He was frustrated at losing Palmer, incident with Chad and losing the game but he's supposed to be the comsumate professional so it was surprising to see him dog a playeer on another team....

Everything is not peachy in Bengal land.. allot of issues have to be resolved.. Marvin is the caretaker and its his job to see that they not only put a defense on the field that actually looks like they can compete with good offenses and keep the players in line both on the field and in the lockerroom....

[oldschooler]

Boomer was on a Pittsburgh Radio Station

bashing Marvin and bashing Chad.

He was in New York when this all went down.

What is Boomer`s source for what happened ?

PFT.com ? Dave Lapham ?

Boomer hasn`t even been to Cincinnati since this happened.

He basically called Marvin "class-less". He called Chad Johnson

"unprofesional", immature" and a "knucklehead".

Then he begins to start slurping on Wines Hard`s jock while bashing

Chad Johnson and Marvin Lewis.

I already thought he was an asshat. And all of that just cements

my thoughts.

[Spain]

f**k Boomer

[walshfan]

We dont know Boomer's sources but it could be any Bengal..All he has to do is pick up the phone and call one of them.. he called Palmer in the lockerrrom right after the injury..

Chad's theatrics are immature....If the lockerroom incident occured then he is an unprofessional knuclehead who's ego is getting the best of him anymore....grow up for damn sakes.

[skyline]

Boomer was on a Pittsburgh Radio Station

bashing Marvin and bashing Chad.

He was in New York when this all went down.

What is Boomer`s source for what happened ?

PFT.com ? Dave Lapham ?

Boomer hasn`t even been to Cincinnati since this happened.

He basically called Marvin "class-less". He called Chad Johnson

"unprofesional", immature" and a "knucklehead".

Then he begins to start slurping on Wines Hard`s jock while bashing

Chad Johnson and Marvin Lewis.

I already thought he was an asshat. And all of that just cements

my thoughts.

Give me a break! Boomer LOVES Marvin. Hasn't he made that clear by now?

Still, he's not going to show them unabashed loyalty, and he shouldn't. Wouldn't make him a very good commentator, would it? If he thinks they screw up, he's got to call them out for it.

[oldschooler]

From what I`ve read and heard.

Chad Johnson was getting an IV.

Hue Jackson came into the trainers room,

and was talking to CJ about the adjustments

that they were going to make for the 2nd half.

Hue Jackson mentioned something to Chad

about a play where Kitna was going to throw

it to Chad, but Chad was blocking a Steeler because

he thought it was a running play.

From there it gets a little blurry. But from what

I got out of it. There was a heated arguement.

Now that doesn`t equal "Chad was throwing punches"

"Chad had Hue Jackson is a head-lock", " was yelling and screaming

because he he wanted the ball more". Or anything like that.

Which is exactly what Boomer is insinuating.

I`m not sure how feasible it is to even think that Chad was

throwing punches, or trying to get his coach in a head-lock

when he had a fuggin IV in his arm anyway !

Like I have stated before...this was "nothing" that has been

blown WAY out of proportion.

I mean does anyone really believe that Marvin Lewis would

allow Chad to take the field if that BS happened ? Much less

to hold a Press Conference AT PAUL BROWN STADIUM to

LIE and try to throw up a smoke screen ?!

Boomer was on a Pittsburgh Radio Station

bashing Marvin and bashing Chad.

He was in New York when this all went down.

What is Boomer`s source for what happened ?

PFT.com ? Dave Lapham ?

Boomer hasn`t even been to Cincinnati since this happened.

He basically called Marvin "class-less". He called Chad Johnson

"unprofesional", immature" and a "knucklehead".

Then he begins to start slurping on Wines Hard`s jock while bashing

Chad Johnson and Marvin Lewis.

I already thought he was an asshat. And all of that just cements

my thoughts.

Give me a break! Boomer LOVES Marvin. Hasn't he made that clear by now?

Still, he's not going to show them unabashed loyalty, and he shouldn't. Wouldn't make him a very good commentator, would it? If he thinks they screw up, he's got to call them out for it.

How in the hell do you get that he "loves" Marvin when he goes on a Pittsburgh

radio station 3 days after a devastaing Bengals loss (in more ways than one).

And bashes Marvin to Steelers fans ?!

Marvin went to far ?

All Marvin did was point out how Roethlisberger was crying about

a play 4 DAYS LATER that he wasn`t hurt on, that drew a flag, that was actually

caused by a Steelers lineman.

Marvin needs to worry about his own team.

That is assuming that Marvin "isn`t" worried about his own team.

Boomer wasn`t there to be a commentator. That`s his weekend gig.

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From what I`ve read and heard.

Chad Johnson was getting an IV.

Hue Jackson came into the trainers room,

and was talking to CJ about the adjustments

that they were going to make for the 2nd half.

Hue Jackson mentioned something to Chad

about a play where Kitna was going to throw

it to Chad, but Chad was blocking a Steeler because

he thought it was a running play.

From there it gets a little blurry. But from what

I got out of it. There was a heated arguement.

Now that doesn`t equal "Chad was throwing punches"

"Chad had Hue Jackson is a head-lock", " was yelling and screaming

because he he wanted the ball more". Or anything like that.

Which is exactly what Boomer is insinuating.

I`m not sure how feasible it is to even think that Chad was

throwing punches, or trying to get his coach in a head-lock

when he had a fuggin IV in his arm anyway !

Like I have stated before...this was "nothing" that has been

blown WAY out of proportion.

I mean does anyone really believe that Marvin Lewis would

allow Chad to take the field if that BS happened ? Much less

to hold a Press Conference AT PAUL BROWN STADIUM to

LIE and try to throw up a smoke screen ?!

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree that it's been blown out of proportion, and that Marvin will take care of it. But, I think what Boomer is really saying is that it's time for Chad to learn to control his emotions. Do you not agree? I mean, I love the guy and I'm glad he's on our team. I have his jersey for crying out loud! But a man's got to learn to be a man, and handle his emotions with a little more maturity. I don't care if the current "incident" we're discussing is true or not, and I'm SURE there weren't any punches thrown. The general outbursts that we HAVE seen are the issue, I think.

From what I`ve read and heard.

Chad Johnson was getting an IV.

Hue Jackson came into the trainers room,

and was talking to CJ about the adjustments

that they were going to make for the 2nd half.

Hue Jackson mentioned something to Chad

about a play where Kitna was going to throw

it to Chad, but Chad was blocking a Steeler because

he thought it was a running play.

From there it gets a little blurry. But from what

I got out of it. There was a heated arguement.

Now that doesn`t equal "Chad was throwing punches"

"Chad had Hue Jackson is a head-lock", " was yelling and screaming

because he he wanted the ball more". Or anything like that.

Which is exactly what Boomer is insinuating.

I`m not sure how feasible it is to even think that Chad was

throwing punches, or trying to get his coach in a head-lock

when he had a fuggin IV in his arm anyway !

Like I have stated before...this was "nothing" that has been

blown WAY out of proportion.

I mean does anyone really believe that Marvin Lewis would

allow Chad to take the field if that BS happened ? Much less

to hold a Press Conference AT PAUL BROWN STADIUM to

LIE and try to throw up a smoke screen ?!

Boomer was on a Pittsburgh Radio Station

bashing Marvin and bashing Chad.

He was in New York when this all went down.

What is Boomer`s source for what happened ?

PFT.com ? Dave Lapham ?

Boomer hasn`t even been to Cincinnati since this happened.

He basically called Marvin "class-less". He called Chad Johnson

"unprofesional", immature" and a "knucklehead".

Then he begins to start slurping on Wines Hard`s jock while bashing

Chad Johnson and Marvin Lewis.

I already thought he was an asshat. And all of that just cements

my thoughts.

Give me a break! Boomer LOVES Marvin. Hasn't he made that clear by now?

Still, he's not going to show them unabashed loyalty, and he shouldn't. Wouldn't make him a very good commentator, would it? If he thinks they screw up, he's got to call them out for it.

How in the hell do you get that he "loves" Marvin when he goes on a Pittsburgh

radio station 3 days after a devastaing Bengals loss (in more ways than one).

And bashes Marvin to Steelers fans ?!

Marvin went to far ?

All Marvin did was point out how Roethlisberger was crying about

a play 4 DAYS LATER that he wasn`t hurt on, that drew a flag, that was actually

caused by a Steelers lineman.

Marvin needs to worry about his own team.

That is assuming that Marvin "isn`t" worried about his own team.

Boomer wasn`t there to be a commentator. That`s his weekend gig.

I assume Boomer loves Marvin, because he's been singing his praises for the past 3 years! Where have you been? Have you not listened to any of that? You'd rather just take this one criticism and make it a blanket generalization of Boomer's thoughts about Marvin Lewis? Come on now.

And no...Marvin shouldn't be talking about other players in the media like that. How would a parent feel if someone else went out in public and started criticizing their kids. Whether or not the criticism is true, it's not something that should be done. Let me go on the news and call my neighbors' children cry babies and see how they react. I'm sure they'd respond by saying, "He had every right to talk badly about my children in public! I have no ill-feelings whatsoever!"

[ShulaSteakhouse]

ALL HAIL KING MARVIN AND HIS DISCIPLE CHAD JOHNSON!!! YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE OR QUESTION THEM EVER!!! MARVIN IS THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL AND HAS WON 10 SUPERBOWLS AND CHAD IS THE BEST WR SINCE JERRY RICE!!!

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ALL HAIL KING MARVIN AND HIS DISCIPLE CHAD JOHNSON!!! YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE OR QUESTION THEM EVER!!! MARVIN IS THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL AND HAS WON 10 SUPERBOWLS AND CHAD IS THE BEST WR SINCE JERRY RICE!!!

Shula, I think this is officially the first time I've ever been on your side

[oldschooler]

I assume Boomer loves Marvin, because he's been singing his praises for the past 3 years! Where have you been? Have you not listened to any of that? You'd rather just take this one criticism and make it a blanket generalization of Boomer's thoughts about Marvin Lewis? Come on now.

And no...Marvin shouldn't be talking about other players in the media like that. How would a parent feel if someone else went out in public and started criticizing their kids. Whether or not the criticism is true, it's not something that should be done. Let me go on the news and call my neighbors' children cry babies and see how they react. I'm sure they'd respond by saying, "He had every right to talk badly about my children in public! I have no ill-feelings whatsoever!"

So because Boomer has aknowledged the obvious the past 3 years,

it`s ok for Boomer to go into enemy territory and bash someone

he "loves" and praises" ?

And all Marvin did was point out what a cry baby that Roethlisberger is.

I guess it`s ok for Marvin to aknowledge the obvious and get bashed.

But when Boomer aknowledges the obvious, he deserves a free pass

andc can bash Marvin for doing it ?!

[walshfan]

ALL HAIL KING MARVIN AND HIS DISCIPLE CHAD JOHNSON!!! YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE OR QUESTION THEM EVER!!! MARVIN IS THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL AND HAS WON 10 SUPERBOWLS AND CHAD IS THE BEST WR SINCE JERRY RICE!!!

Thats allways the feeling I get by allot of the posters here...

None of these guys walk on water.. ( not even Kitna though he think he may)

This Black Jesus thing is a moniker for a man thats done allot of good here but he's prone to mistakes just as any coach is...

For all his talent Johnson stll doesnt block worth a damn, drops too many passes and whines way too much.

I dont want to hear about how he led the AFC in catches either.. If your getting the ball thrown to you 170 times a season which he did he should catch more than most receivers..

[oldschooler]

ALL HAIL KING MARVIN AND HIS DISCIPLE CHAD JOHNSON!!! YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE OR QUESTION THEM EVER!!! MARVIN IS THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL AND HAS WON 10 SUPERBOWLS AND CHAD IS THE BEST WR SINCE JERRY RICE!!!

Marvin inherited a 2-14 team, hasn`t had a losing season, and took them

to the Playoffs.

Chad Johnson is the BEST WR that has ever worn a Bengals uniform PERIOD.

You can criticize them. But for some of the reasons people do it...well it`s

just asinine and moronic.

[walshfan]

Issac Curtis was better than Chad Johnson imo....

Pickens, Brown and others would have flourished more with Palmer throwing to them as well..

Chad is good .. great...no way

[oldschooler]

ALL HAIL KING MARVIN AND HIS DISCIPLE CHAD JOHNSON!!! YOU CANNOT CRITICIZE OR QUESTION THEM EVER!!! MARVIN IS THE GREATEST COACH IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL AND HAS WON 10 SUPERBOWLS AND CHAD IS THE BEST WR SINCE JERRY RICE!!!

Thats allways the feeling I get by allot of the posters here...

None of these guys walk on water.. ( not even Kitna though he think he may)

This Black Jesus thing is a moniker for a man thats done allot of good here but he's prone to mistakes just as any coach is...

For all his talent Johnson stll doesnt block worth a damn, drops too many passes and whines way too much.

I dont want to hear about how he led the AFC in catches either.. If your getting the ball thrown to you 170 times a season which he did he should catch more than most receivers..

Chad Johnson had 155 passes thrown his way.

That`s 11 passes less than Chris Chambers...

who is also in the AFC.

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/leader...k=052&Submit=Go

Issac Curtis was better than Chad Johnson imo....

Pickens, Brown and others would have flourished more with Palmer throwing to them as well..

Chad is good .. great...no way

Issac Curtis played in a totally different era.

He was damn good, but I`m not so sure he

would look so "great" against todays competition.

And his still never had a season as good as Chad

has had in back-to back seasons.

And Palmer has only played 29 games with Chad.

Plus Chad went to a fuggin Pro Bowl with Kitna

as his QB !

As far as Pickens and Eddie Brown...puh-leez.

Whatever you`re smoking... pass it this way !

Or you need to lay off of the Hater-ade.

[walshfan]

Chad has the luxury of Palmer.. Chambers is getting fed by Gus Frerotten.. big difference

[oldschooler]

Chad has the luxury of Palmer.. Chambers is getting fed by Gus Frerotten.. big difference

So please explain to me how Chad went to a Pro Bowl

in 2003 with Kitna throwing to him...

[walshfan]

I said that Johnson was a very good receiver..

comparisons to Curtis are unfair since it was a different era.

As for the haterade.. no I dont hate Chad at all.

He's a friendly kid.. immature and whiner but friendly.

His talent of running good routes is what makes him better than allot of receivers.. His lack of blocking, dropping passes, whining and being an overall egotistical baby makes him mortal.. something you seem to allways overlook in your homeristic theories of him...

You need to be more objective.. You come accross as see no evil hear no evil everything is sweel in Bengal land.. get a grip for once...

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I assume Boomer loves Marvin, because he's been singing his praises for the past 3 years! Where have you been? Have you not listened to any of that? You'd rather just take this one criticism and make it a blanket generalization of Boomer's thoughts about Marvin Lewis? Come on now.

And no...Marvin shouldn't be talking about other players in the media like that. How would a parent feel if someone else went out in public and started criticizing their kids. Whether or not the criticism is true, it's not something that should be done. Let me go on the news and call my neighbors' children cry babies and see how they react. I'm sure they'd respond by saying, "He had every right to talk badly about my children in public! I have no ill-feelings whatsoever!"

And all Marvin did was point out what a cry baby that Roethlisberger is.

I guess it`s ok for Marvin to aknowledge the obvious and get bashed.

But when Boomer aknowledges the obvious, he deserves a free pass

andc can bash Marvin for doing it ?!

It's Boomer's JOB to give his opinion! That's what he's paid to do! I doubt he'd keep his job very long if he went on shows and said, "I don't feel it's right to offer up any criticism of players or coaches". It's not Marvin's job to worry about players on other teams. Just like it's not the job of an adult to become a parent to other people's children. If he wants to go into the locker room and tell his players Ben is a crybaby, then whatever. Being a coach myself, it's not something I'd ever do, but to each his own. I even agree with Marvin....Ben WAS whining. To say it in the media, though, is crossing a line.

I usually enjoy your posts, but you seem to have abandoned all sense of logic in this thread due to those orange-colored glasses that are apparently preventing you from seeing the obvious.

[oldschooler]

I said that Johnson was a very good receiver..

comparisons to Curtis are unfair since it was a different era.

As for the haterade.. no I dont hate Chad at all.

He's a friendly kid.. immature and whiner but friendly.

His talent of running good routes is what makes him better than allot of receivers.. His lack of blocking, dropping passes, whining and being an overall egotistical baby makes him mortal.. something you seem to allways overlook in your homeristic theories of him...

You need to be more objective.. You come accross as see no evil hear no evil everything is sweel in Bengal land.. get a grip for once...

Dude I have a grip.

Chad Johnson dropped one more pass that Tory Holt.

And 2 more than Steve Smith.

Exactly how many times has Chad acted "immature" ?

How many times has he "whined" ?

It looks to me like you`re the one that needs to get a grip.

You`re taking a a very few occasions and some stats

that compare to "elite" WR`s and using it as an awful

wide brush to paint your picture of Chad.

[Jet23]

I wish Boomer would not have criticized Marvin, but other than that I have no problem with what he is saying. He has always been outspoken about Chad's tendency to pout when he doesn't get the ball, and deservedly so. Have we forgotten the Cleveland/Pepto game. Dude flipped out! There is no reason to believe he didn't do the same (or a lot worse) on Sunday. Call me a Cleveland fan if you want, but there is a problem in that locker room. How do you think TJ feels when Chad whines about not getting the ball? I have heard TJ say a number of times that he is better than Chad. I always thought that was the competitiveness, but now I am not so sure. I have still yet to hear of one single teammate come out in defense of Chad.

Boomer knows many of these veterans (especially on offense) and I guarantee you he knows EXACTLY what went down. Yes, I said EXACTLY. Can we please stop acting like this didn't happen? I really enjoy some of the good info I can get on this board from guys like Joisey, Billy, Shula and D. Shank..., but the 'homerism' can get a bit old.

[walshfan]

Ill let you get back to playing with your Chad dolls now schooler...

[oldschooler]

I assume Boomer loves Marvin, because he's been singing his praises for the past 3 years! Where have you been? Have you not listened to any of that? You'd rather just take this one criticism and make it a blanket generalization of Boomer's thoughts about Marvin Lewis? Come on now.

And no...Marvin shouldn't be talking about other players in the media like that. How would a parent feel if someone else went out in public and started criticizing their kids. Whether or not the criticism is true, it's not something that should be done. Let me go on the news and call my neighbors' children cry babies and see how they react. I'm sure they'd respond by saying, "He had every right to talk badly about my children in public! I have no ill-feelings whatsoever!"

And all Marvin did was point out what a cry baby that Roethlisberger is.

I guess it`s ok for Marvin to aknowledge the obvious and get bashed.

But when Boomer aknowledges the obvious, he deserves a free pass

andc can bash Marvin for doing it ?!

It's Boomer's JOB to give his opinion! That's what he's paid to do! I doubt he'd keep his job very long if he went on shows and said, "I don't feel it's right to offer up any criticism of players or coaches". It's not Marvin's job to worry about players on other teams. Just like it's not the job of an adult to become a parent to other people's children. If he wants to go into the locker room and tell his players Ben is a crybaby, then whatever. Being a coach myself, it's not something I'd ever do, but to each his own. I even agree with Marvin....Ben WAS whining. To say it in the media, though, is crossing a line.

I usually enjoy your posts, but you seem to have abandoned all sense of logic in this thread due to those orange-colored glasses that are apparently preventing you from seeing the obvious.

I`ll admit that I`m as big of a Homer that

there is. But I don`t think every player on

the Bengals is "All Pro" and the "Best Ever".

And maybe it does feed into a little of my

thinking on this matter. But I wouldn`t

say "I`ve abandoned all sense of logic".

Yeah it is Boomer`s job to give his opinon.

But I have a serious problem with him going

on a Pittsburgh radio station and bashing

Marvin Lewis and Chad Johnson 3 days after

the Bengals lost to the Steelers.

He made it sound like Marvin has "lost control"

of his team. That the "Bengals are in disarray" now.

"Chad Johnson is "unproffesional" and blah blah blah.

He also gave his OPINION that Marvin

Lewis crossed a line and that his team

is in disarray while he is being to worried

about a Steelers player. He said all of

this on a Pittsburgh radio station.

The Pittsburgh fans and media are eating this

s**t up and acting like Boomer`s OPINION

is FACT because of where Boomer is FROM.

Boomer gave his OPINION of a RUMOR

and didn`t back it up one fuggin bit

more than PFT.com did. He gave his

OPINION of Marvin crossing a line

and also gave his OPINION that

Marvin needs to worry about his

own because he has lost control.

Sorry that I have a problem with Boomer`s

OPINION. But that`s my OPINION.

And it is is full of as much logic as

Boomer`s OPINION was.

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I assume Boomer loves Marvin, because he's been singing his praises for the past 3 years! Where have you been? Have you not listened to any of that? You'd rather just take this one criticism and make it a blanket generalization of Boomer's thoughts about Marvin Lewis? Come on now.

And no...Marvin shouldn't be talking about other players in the media like that. How would a parent feel if someone else went out in public and started criticizing their kids. Whether or not the criticism is true, it's not something that should be done. Let me go on the news and call my neighbors' children cry babies and see how they react. I'm sure they'd respond by saying, "He had every right to talk badly about my children in public! I have no ill-feelings whatsoever!"

And all Marvin did was point out what a cry baby that Roethlisberger is.

I guess it`s ok for Marvin to aknowledge the obvious and get bashed.

But when Boomer aknowledges the obvious, he deserves a free pass

andc can bash Marvin for doing it ?!

It's Boomer's JOB to give his opinion! That's what he's paid to do! I doubt he'd keep his job very long if he went on shows and said, "I don't feel it's right to offer up any criticism of players or coaches". It's not Marvin's job to worry about players on other teams. Just like it's not the job of an adult to become a parent to other people's children. If he wants to go into the locker room and tell his players Ben is a crybaby, then whatever. Being a coach myself, it's not something I'd ever do, but to each his own. I even agree with Marvin....Ben WAS whining. To say it in the media, though, is crossing a line.

I usually enjoy your posts, but you seem to have abandoned all sense of logic in this thread due to those orange-colored glasses that are apparently preventing you from seeing the obvious.

But that`s my OPINION.

And it is is full of as much logic as

Boomer`s OPINION was.

Ah, so you've actually TALKED to players who were in the locker room? My apologies...I wasn't aware.