oldschooler Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 In 9 seasons as an NFL QB, Kitna has had 3 seasonswhere he has thrown more TD`s than he has INT`s.Kitna has thrown for 3500 yards in 1 season out of 9.He won "Come Back Player of the Year" that year.Where exactly did he "come back from" ?He was the starter for 12 games the year before ! Kitna has only lead 2 teams to "non" losing records.He has only lead 1 team to the Playoffs and thatwas with a 9-7 record. Kitna has a career QB rating of 75.3.Kitna has only had two seasons were hehad a QB rating over 80. And he never hada QB rating over 87.4.Carson Palmer had a better QB rating than Kitna`s career rating, his first season as a starter.I hope God leads Kitna somewhere.But please God don`t let it be behind centerfor the Bengals EVER again !Well then, you obviously have a better option.....who is it? Nothing like taking three steps backwards trying to teach the offense to another hack qb. Have you seen the free agent list?I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Brett Favre is not coming here. Steve McNair is not coming here. I doubt that even Tim Couch is coming here. We need a qb to be a caretaker until Carson is fully healed. The way I see it, we have two options and one of them is Craig Krenzel. It's as simple as that.The Bengals are 1-3 when Kitna has taken a snap this year.The one win came against the Lions and he threw 3 passes for 6 yards.They have to let him go sometime and it`s not like they could do much worse ! 2006 NFL Free AgentsQuarterbacks Player Type 2005 Team Anthony Wright UFA Ravens Charlie Batch UFA Steelers Chris Weinke UFA Panthers Craig Nall UFA Packers Damon Huard UFA Chiefs Doug Flutie UFA Patriots Drew Brees UFA Chargers Jamie Martin UFA Rams Jeff Blake UFA Bears Jeff Garcia UFA Lions Jesse Palmer UFA 49ers Jon Kitna UFA Bengals Josh McCown UFA Cardinals Kurt Warner UFA Cardinals Sage Rosenfels UFA Dolphins Shane Matthews UFA Bills Shaun Hill UFA Vikings Tim Hasselbeck UFA Giants Todd Collins UFA Chiefs Ty Detmer UFA Falcons Vinny Testaverde UFA Jets I see quite a few players on that list that I would take over Kitna... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 In 9 seasons as an NFL QB, Kitna has had 3 seasonswhere he has thrown more TD`s than he has INT`s.Kitna has thrown for 3500 yards in 1 season out of 9.He won "Come Back Player of the Year" that year.Where exactly did he "come back from" ?He was the starter for 12 games the year before ! Kitna has only lead 2 teams to "non" losing records.He has only lead 1 team to the Playoffs and thatwas with a 9-7 record. Kitna has a career QB rating of 75.3.Kitna has only had two seasons were hehad a QB rating over 80. And he never hada QB rating over 87.4.Carson Palmer had a better QB rating than Kitna`s career rating, his first season as a starter.I hope God leads Kitna somewhere.But please God don`t let it be behind centerfor the Bengals EVER again !Well then, you obviously have a better option.....who is it? Nothing like taking three steps backwards trying to teach the offense to another hack qb. Have you seen the free agent list?I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but Brett Favre is not coming here. Steve McNair is not coming here. I doubt that even Tim Couch is coming here. We need a qb to be a caretaker until Carson is fully healed. The way I see it, we have two options and one of them is Craig Krenzel. It's as simple as that.The Bengals are 1-3 when Kitna has taken a snap this year.The one win came against the Lions and he threw 3 passes for 6 yards.They have to let him go sometime and it`s not like they could do much worse ! 2006 NFL Free AgentsQuarterbacks Player Type 2005 Team Anthony Wright UFA Ravens Charlie Batch UFA Steelers Chris Weinke UFA Panthers Craig Nall UFA Packers Damon Huard UFA Chiefs Doug Flutie UFA Patriots Drew Brees UFA Chargers Jamie Martin UFA Rams Jeff Blake UFA Bears Jeff Garcia UFA Lions Jesse Palmer UFA 49ers Jon Kitna UFA Bengals Josh McCown UFA Cardinals Kurt Warner UFA Cardinals Sage Rosenfels UFA Dolphins Shane Matthews UFA Bills Shaun Hill UFA Vikings Tim Hasselbeck UFA Giants Todd Collins UFA Chiefs Ty Detmer UFA Falcons Vinny Testaverde UFA Jets I see quite a few players on that list that I would take over Kitna...If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 I don't have great options here, but know Kitna is not the huge necessity people make him out to be. Odd, all this reminds me of how people were saying how this offense wouldn't be the same without P-Dub in it... Let him go and move on already. I'm not prepared to see Kitna running around aimlessly in the backfield, unable to complete a pass beyond 15 yards ANYMORE. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do.Kitna has been in the same Offense his whole career.He still has only managed to have career completionpercentage of 58.8 %, a career QB rating of 75.3and he has a losing record as a starter.Like I said...they have to let him go sometime.And they can`t do much worse.For all I know Krenzel "could" run the Offense better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Kitna's conversations with God are less important to me than the ones he'll have with the NFL teams he envisions he can start for...because I seriously doubt that he's going to generate the level of interest many believe he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do.You seem to be overlooking the fact that Kitna 'knows' this offense yet still cannot win.All this offense needs is a new coordinator and a good tight end. If the tight end is really good then we wouldn't need Chad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do.You seem to be overlooking the fact that Kitna 'knows' this offense yet still cannot win.All this offense needs is a new coordinator and a good tight end. If the tight end is really good then we wouldn't need Chad. A qb that does not know the offense has a negative effect on everyone. We need somebody that knows the offense at least until Carson is healthy. Then, maybe we can all tie Kitna up to a post and throw rocks at him. I really don't understand all of the hatred for the guy. There are teams that are interested in looking at him as a starter. If that makes him a couple of extra bucks, good for him. He was the best thing that ever happened to Carson Palmer. Remember, he was demoted after a very good season and many of the experts and even Bengal Vets questioned the move. Nobody knew for sure that Carson would work out. Kitna could have been a jerk ala Doug Fluie, but he chose to be an asset to the Organization. Give the guy a flipping break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do.You seem to be overlooking the fact that Kitna 'knows' this offense yet still cannot win.All this offense needs is a new coordinator and a good tight end. If the tight end is really good then we wouldn't need Chad. Ok, you have now entered the brainless wonder phase of your life. #1 We don't need a new coordinator. Our offense is a top 5 offense. #2 The last thing we need is another weapon on offense. Our offense is fine as it is. All we need is to improve our defense.#3 A tight end, even one like Gates, Crumpler, etc. does NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A DEEP THREAT LIKE CHAD.Seek professioal help, drug counseling is recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsOwn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 No, Bramlet wasn't picked up by anyone. That fact alone should clue you in to why he was cut, he sucks ass.Give me one of these guys and I'll be somewhat happy:Josh McCown, Cardinals; Tim Rattay, Buccaneers; Sage Rosenfels, Dolphins; Kurt Warner, Cardinals;Ok, I'll take Sage Rosenfels, but the other guys? No way.I might take Jamie Martin, but not Warner, Rattay, or McCown.Kurt Warner would excel here.In Arizona in 10 games was on pace to throw for 4340 yards this season. He led two different WR's to over 1000 yards receiving. He had a swiss cheese offensive line, and the worst rushing offense in the entire NFL. The entire rushing offense accounted for a total of TWO touchdowns.Here in Cincinnati he has a WR corp that is just as good as Arizona's, an ELITE offensive line, and the 11th best rushing offense in the league. I think he'd fit in great here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Ok, you have now entered the brainless wonder phase of your life. #1 We don't need a new coordinator. Our offense is a top 5 offense. #2 The last thing we need is another weapon on offense. Our offense is fine as it is. All we need is to improve our defense.#3 A tight end, even one like Gates, Crumpler, etc. does NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A DEEP THREAT LIKE CHAD.Seek professioal help, drug counseling is recommended.WE DO NEED A NEW COORDINATOR. Up can lie to yourself all you want, just like you did for years before Dillon finally left.You and oldschooler need to go share your blind jungle love homering. I can hear your conversation:OS "I hate Boomer, but I LOVE CHAD"TNBT "I have Chad's jersy with sweat on it"OS "Can I smell and touch it?" TNBT "yes you may"OS "Why does it smell like jizz?"TNBT "I couldn't help it"I completely disagree about the OC. Brat stinks. I could draw plays in the dirt for this team and they would score points. I don't care about a stinking deep threat. ANY wide receiver in the NFL can run a deep post or a fly pattern so there is no need for your TE to go WAY down field. I just want the team to march down the field and score points. If the OC would use the TE this offense would be scary. BTW I do not advocate a new TE unless there is a new OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldschooler Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 You and oldschooler need to go share your blind jungle love homering. I can hear your conversation:OS "I had richmond matts mom`s mouth last time"TNBT "OK ...I`ll take it this time...but turn out the lightsthat beotch is f'ugly"OS "That`s putting it mildly...here`s a bag too" TNBT "Spray some of that Lysol"OS "Why does it smell like jizz?"TNBT "That`s her natural smell"Did your mom tape us again ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Doug Flutie would be better than Kitna. He is a veteran and I think could use the weapons that the teams have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Doug Flutie would be better than Kitna. He is a veteran and I think could use the weapons that the teams have. No thanks! I don't think the Bengals would have any use for the oldest man in the league (he has to be up there!). Flutie isn't even the backup in New England anymore, I believe Matt Cassel (remember him? he's the guy that ate us alive with his feet in the preseason and provided many posters with Odell Superman sigs) took his spot.Kitna has his down-side for sure, but I really don't think he is nearly as bad as so many people are making him out to be. I'd be totally satsfied if we stuck with him, assuming he wants to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Kitna's conversations with God are less important to me than the ones he'll have with the NFL teams he envisions he can start for...because I seriously doubt that he's going to generate the level of interest many believe he will.There it is. At most -- most, mind you -- Kit might draw some interest as a placeholder on some team looking to take a high round 1 QB in April (N.O.? Detroit?). And there will be plenty of competition for those slots; Kit is hardly the only, and IMHO not the best, of the possible choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Ok, you have now entered the brainless wonder phase of your life. #1 We don't need a new coordinator. Our offense is a top 5 offense. #2 The last thing we need is another weapon on offense. Our offense is fine as it is. All we need is to improve our defense.#3 A tight end, even one like Gates, Crumpler, etc. does NOT PROVIDE YOU WITH A DEEP THREAT LIKE CHAD.Seek professioal help, drug counseling is recommended.WE DO NEED A NEW COORDINATOR. Up can lie to yourself all you want, just like you did for years before Dillon finally left.You and oldschooler need to go share your blind jungle love homering. I can hear your conversation:OS "I hate Boomer, but I LOVE CHAD"TNBT "I have Chad's jersy with sweat on it"OS "Can I smell and touch it?" TNBT "yes you may"OS "Why does it smell like jizz?"TNBT "I couldn't help it"I completely disagree about the OC. Brat stinks. I could draw plays in the dirt for this team and they would score points. I don't care about a stinking deep threat. ANY wide receiver in the NFL can run a deep post or a fly pattern so there is no need for your TE to go WAY down field. I just want the team to march down the field and score points. If the OC would use the TE this offense would be scary. BTW I do not advocate a new TE unless there is a new OC.I agree with them too. We don't need a damn offensive coordinator! We need more playmakers on D. I can't believe the people that try and address our offense like that is what is wrong with our team. A TE? For what? In this offense they are used to block. I could see having a TE bitching about balls being thrown his way considering we have chad, tj, henry, and perry in the backfield. How many balls are left for them? Hardly any thats why we have the personnel we have. We don't need them to catch the f**kin rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 No, Bramlet wasn't picked up by anyone. That fact alone should clue you in to why he was cut, he sucks ass.Give me one of these guys and I'll be somewhat happy:Josh McCown, Cardinals; Tim Rattay, Buccaneers; Sage Rosenfels, Dolphins; Kurt Warner, Cardinals;All of the QBs you just mentioned will draw interest from teams who want them as a starter or to compete for a starting job (especially in the NFC).The Bengals are 1-3 when Kitna has taken a snap this year.The one win came against the Lions and he threw 3 passes for 6 yards.They have to let him go sometime and it`s not like they could do much worse ! 2006 NFL Free AgentsQuarterbacks Player Type 2005 Team Anthony Wright UFA Ravens Charlie Batch UFA Steelers Chris Weinke UFA Panthers Craig Nall UFA Packers Damon Huard UFA Chiefs Doug Flutie UFA Patriots Drew Brees UFA Chargers Jamie Martin UFA Rams Jeff Blake UFA Bears Jeff Garcia UFA Lions Jesse Palmer UFA 49ers Jon Kitna UFA Bengals Josh McCown UFA Cardinals Kurt Warner UFA Cardinals Sage Rosenfels UFA Dolphins Shane Matthews UFA Bills Shaun Hill UFA Vikings Tim Hasselbeck UFA Giants Todd Collins UFA Chiefs Ty Detmer UFA Falcons Vinny Testaverde UFA Jets I see quite a few players on that list that I would take over Kitna...Oh boy, stats never lie. Let's see, he played in the Bills game. We surely would of won if he hadn't played. Then, he was thrown into a playoff game with one real game of preparation, jeez, he should have been 4 -0. You see, you're looking for a starter quality guy to play backup., but those things cost money. I'm looking for a solid QB who can make plays, but in the end will be a 2nd string player.2 Real OptionsJon KitnaTim CouchFlutie - probably retiring and if you honestly think he is better than Kitna you should be evaluated.Shane Mathews - How can you even say he is remotely close to Kitna?Even better, lets have Jeff Blake come back. He won't have a problem stretching the field. That be an awesome pickup.The rest of those players on the list are starter material or worst than Kitna. If you don't believe me, look at sites like Scouts, where Kitna is top 5 in QBs for this FA year.Name QBs you want, who will sign for under 2 million (I want to hear options, the options listed are not going to happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 The Bengals are 1-3 when Kitna has taken a snap this year.The one win came against the Lions and he threw 3 passes for 6 yards.They have to let him go sometime and it`s not like they could do much worse ! 2006 NFL Free AgentsQuarterbacks Player Type 2005 Team Anthony Wright UFA Ravens Charlie Batch UFA Steelers Chris Weinke UFA Panthers Craig Nall UFA Packers Damon Huard UFA Chiefs Doug Flutie UFA Patriots Drew Brees UFA Chargers Jamie Martin UFA Rams Jeff Blake UFA Bears Jeff Garcia UFA Lions Jesse Palmer UFA 49ers Jon Kitna UFA Bengals Josh McCown UFA Cardinals Kurt Warner UFA Cardinals Sage Rosenfels UFA Dolphins Shane Matthews UFA Bills Shaun Hill UFA Vikings Tim Hasselbeck UFA Giants Todd Collins UFA Chiefs Ty Detmer UFA Falcons Vinny Testaverde UFA Jets I see quite a few players on that list that I would take over Kitna...Oh boy, stats never lie. Let's see, he played in the Bills game. We surely would of won if he hadn't played. Then, he was thrown into a playoff game with one real game of preparation, jeez, he should have been 4 -0. You see, you're looking for a starter quality guy to play backup., but those things cost money. I'm looking for a solid QB who can make plays, but in the end will be a 2nd string player.2 Real OptionsJon KitnaTim CouchFlutie - probably retiring and if you honestly think he is better than Kitna you should be evaluated.Shane Mathews - How can you even say he is remotely close to Kitna?Even better, lets have Jeff Blake come back. He won't have a problem stretching the field. That be an awesome pickup.The rest of those players on the list are starter material or worst than Kitna. If you don't believe me, look at sites like Scouts, where Kitna is top 5 in QBs for this FA year.Name QBs you want, who will sign for under 2 million (I want to hear options, the options listed are not going to happen).I guess you over looked this post...In 9 seasons as an NFL QB, Kitna has had 3 seasonswhere he has thrown more TD`s than he has INT`s.Kitna has thrown for 3500 yards in 1 season out of 9.He won "Come Back Player of the Year" that year.Where exactly did he "come back from" ?He was the starter for 12 games the year before ! Kitna has only lead 2 teams to "non" losing records.He has only lead 1 team to the Playoffs and thatwas with a 9-7 record. Kitna has a career QB rating of 75.3.Kitna has only had two seasons were hehad a QB rating over 80. And he never hada QB rating over 87.4.Carson Palmer had a better QB rating than Kitna`s career rating, his first season as a starter.I hope God leads Kitna somewhere.But please God don`t let it be behind centerfor the Bengals EVER again !Kitna has been in the same Offense his whole career.He still has only managed to have career completionpercentage of 58.8 %, a career QB rating of 75.3and he has a losing record as a starter.Like I said...they have to let him go sometime.And they can`t do much worse.A backup QB`s job is to be able to come in at a moments noticeand help lead the team to a victory. Kitna is 0-2 in that departmentthis year.Face it...he isn`t very good. And it`s time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Kitna has been in the same Offense his whole career.He still has only managed to have career completionpercentage of 58.8 %, a career QB rating of 75.3and he has a losing record as a starter.Like I said...they have to let him go sometime.And they can`t do much worse.A backup QB`s job is to be able to come in at a moments noticeand help lead the team to a victory. Kitna is 0-2 in that departmentthis year.Face it...he isn`t very good. And it`s time to move on.You don't get it. Name a QB for under 2 mil a year who you would like over Kitna (Kitna won't even go for this price). Think of backups in the league, they aren't any better than Kit. There all guys with an about even td/int ratio and a .500 record OR THEY WOULD BE A STARTER. Think of teams that have made the playoffs with backup QBs starting. Lets see, Tom Brady was a back up, now he is a starter. I guess we could consider Garrard a backup, and now he is on the bench. Dilfer could be a backup, but then again he will cost more than Kitna (and I don't see a real improvement between Dilfer and Kitna).You can say I hate Kitna and then post the whole FA list, but like I said earlier, those guys cost too much or there is no improvement over Kitna. Give me a list of reasonably priced FA QBs that would come as a backup to Cincinnati and we can discuss names. This is stupid to just say I hate Kitna, lets fire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 If all of those players knew the offense, I would agree. But, how many qbs do you know that are effective their first year with a new team? Let alone, how many are effective the first month, because that is what we are asking someone to do.Exactly.Also factor in that the guy you'd be bringing in knows that he'll ONLY play for a month. Maybe two. Warner would be a good replacement for Kitna (his skills would trump Kitna's knowledge, IMO) but would he come here just to keep Carson's seat warm? I think not.Kitna will test the waters, find out that the best he can hope for is one year as starter while a younger QB develops in the wings, and come back to the Bengals looking for a "welcome home" parade.And he'll get it. He'll sign a 3-4 year deal for the same money he's making now and say he's always wanted to end his career as a Bengal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Kitna has been in the same Offense his whole career.He still has only managed to have career completionpercentage of 58.8 %, a career QB rating of 75.3and he has a losing record as a starter.Like I said...they have to let him go sometime.And they can`t do much worse.A backup QB`s job is to be able to come in at a moments noticeand help lead the team to a victory. Kitna is 0-2 in that departmentthis year.Face it...he isn`t very good. And it`s time to move on.You don't get it. Name a QB for under 2 mil a year who you would like over Kitna (Kitna won't even go for this price). Think of backups in the league, they aren't any better than Kit. There all guys with an about even td/int ratio and a .500 record OR THEY WOULD BE A STARTER. Think of teams that have made the playoffs with backup QBs starting. Lets see, Tom Brady was a back up, now he is a starter. I guess we could consider Garrard a backup, and now he is on the bench. Dilfer could be a backup, but then again he will cost more than Kitna (and I don't see a real improvement between Dilfer and Kitna).You can say I hate Kitna and then post the whole FA list, but like I said earlier, those guys cost too much or there is no improvement over Kitna. Give me a list of reasonably priced FA QBs that would come as a backup to Cincinnati and we can discuss names. This is stupid to just say I hate Kitna, lets fire him.I didn`t say I hate Kitna...because I don`t.What I`m trying to tell you is that I really don`t care thathe "knows" the Offense...because he doesn`t have thephysical skills to "run" the Offense. His career stats say as much. And that Nall guy from Green Bay or just about ANY other QB on thatlist "would" be an upgrade. You can`t keep Kitna around just because he "knows" the Offense.When it doesn`t do this team a damn bit of good when he is actually"needed" to run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 What I`m trying to tell you is that I really don`t care thathe "knows" the Offense...because he doesn`t have thephysical skills to "run" the Offense. While this may or may not be true, I don't think it answers the point being made. The options other than Kitna would struggle even more mightily in his position. The reason this discussion matters is the potential that we'll play some games without Palmer... Who would you rather have at the helm during those games... Some random small name free agent pickup with minimal experience under Zampese and Brat, or a Jon Kitna that has the faith of his teamates and the drive to succeed even without the best array of physical talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 What I`m trying to tell you is that I really don`t care thathe "knows" the Offense...because he doesn`t have thephysical skills to "run" the Offense. While this may or may not be true, I don't think it answers the point being made. The options other than Kitna would struggle even more mightily in his position. The reason this discussion matters is the potential that we'll play some games without Palmer... Who would you rather have at the helm during those games... Some random small name free agent pickup with minimal experience under Zampese and Brat, or a Jon Kitna that has the faith of his teamates and the drive to succeed even without the best array of physical talent?Actually that is pure specualtion. How exactly does anyone "know" that someone else would struggle ? They don`t.Kitna has "proven" that he isn`t the man for the job.Kitna ended all doubts I had about that.I mean did you see the Chiefs game ? Where was that faith ? Where was the leadership ?Did you see the Steelers game ? Sure didn`t look like he brought the team togetheror that they "believed" in him to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smith288 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Actually that is pure specualtion. How exactly does anyone "know" that someone else would struggle ? They don`t.Kitna has "proven" that he isn`t the man for the job.Kitna ended all doubts I had about that.I mean did you see the Chiefs game ? Where was that faith ? Where was the leadership ?Did you see the Steelers game ? Sure didn`t look like he brought the team togetheror that they "believed" in him to me...How do you ascertain the team doesnt "believe" in Kitna? Seriously, thats an odd declaration for a person to make that isnt part of the locker room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Actually that is pure specualtion. How exactly does anyone "know" that someone else would struggle ? They don`t.Kitna has "proven" that he isn`t the man for the job.Kitna ended all doubts I had about that.I mean did you see the Chiefs game ? Where was that faith ? Where was the leadership ?Did you see the Steelers game ? Sure didn`t look like he brought the team togetheror that they "believed" in him to me...How do you ascertain the team doesnt "believe" in Kitna? Seriously, thats an odd declaration for a person I to make that isnt part of the locker room.I didn`t say they don`t believe in him.I said I didn`t see it when I watched those games.Did you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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