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[NJ29]

I don't have aproblem with either hit... I believe Kimo's hit was unintentional, as was Odell's. I just take issue to the fact that Ben had to wine about it, and Ward saying it wasn't intentional, but he'd go after him anyway.

[HairOnFire]

You said it was ESPN, that's what's on ESPN's website. I haven't found any evidence of your claim and it bothers me that someone would post something like that and not back it up when asked to. That's not very nice to attack someone's intelligence because they are refuting your claim. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yeah, and you should be smarter. So I guess we'll both have to adjust to each others failings as I'm apparently the type of person who will make fun of how stupid you are. It happens.

BTW, I did try to provide you with some backup. I had recorded ESPN's Blitz coverage in the hope of getting an update on Palmer's condition and was treated to a female reporter doing a sideline interview with Ben. In that interview he made the remarks I later passed along. I've already told you this. So why should I care that you're still responding to what Ben said to Ron Jaworski? Aren't you smart enough to figure out the difference between a female reporter and Ron Jaworski?

Seriously, how stupid are you?

[Ox]

You know, the more I think of it, the more I think the Steelers would have won with Palmer in there anyway, and probably more convicingly. Few teams could handle Palmer this year, and we were able to in the first meeting and he had bad games towards the end of the season. What makes everyone so sure that a QB with no playoff experience and who had been struggling of late wouldn't have had a total meltdown or would have just not played well against a tough defense? I ask this not only to Bengals fans but every reporter out there who felt it would have been a totally different game with him in there. One pass does not a game make.

Come on dawg, you can't be serious about this, can you? I mean seriously CT, there's no way you can in all seriousness convince yourself that the Stillers would have still won, and more convincingly with Carson in? If so then I want some of the crack your on buddy. Carson Palmer LIT YOUR ASSES UP the last game we played. Why wouldn't that have happened again? Fact remeains we will never know, but crazy off the wall statements like yours take the cake.

[CT Stiller]

Yeah, and you should be smarter. So I guess we'll both have to adjust to each others failings as I'm apparently the type of person who will make fun of how stupid you are. It happens.

BTW, I did try to provide you with some backup. I had recorded ESPN's Blitz coverage in the hope of getting an update on Palmer's condition and was treated to a female reporter doing a sideline interview with Ben. In that interview he made the remarks I later passed along. I've already told you this. So why should I care that you're still responding to what Ben said to Ron Jaworski? Aren't you smart enough to figure out the difference between a female reporter and Ron Jaworski?

Seriously, how stupid are you?

I'm smart enough to get by. Smart enough to know that you intentionally misquoted a Steeler and got called on it. You said "female" reporter, right? You should probably look back at your original posts and read them before attacking someone for not being "smart enough to figure out the difference between a female reporter and Ron Jaworski?" You never said the word female in any of them.

Man, you can call me stupid all you want but you're bordering on pathetic now.

[CT Stiller]

Come on dawg, you can't be serious about this, can you? I mean seriously CT, there's no way you can in all seriousness convince yourself that the Stillers would have still won, and more convincingly with Carson in? If so then I want some of the crack your on buddy. Carson Palmer LIT YOUR ASSES UP the last game we played. Why wouldn't that have happened again? Fact remeains we will never know, but crazy off the wall statements like yours take the cake.

I'm stretching it a bit when I say more convincingly, yes. But my point is that the playoffs are a different world for a young QB. Roethlisberger was horrible in the playoffs last year, after breaking NFL records as a rookie in the reg. season. My opinion is yes, the result would have been the same, a Bengals loss.

[JPW]

Since no one seems to have taken this angle, I'll offer my thoughts on "the play".

I asked myself and even said aloud "why isn't Carson moving?" The ball was long gone before the hit happened. It seemed to me that Palmer was caught up watching his long rainbow spiral and forgot that linemen might be falling around him. Maybe I'm way off, but I think this injury could have been avoided if he had been a little more alert and less into seeing the completion.

This thread had turned into a bitchfest so I thought I'd try to get something back into it.

A proper throw by a QB does not end when the ball leaves his hand.

To throw the ball properly the QB follows through after letting the ball go much like a picther does in baseball.

There really was not much time at all between the ball being thrown and Kimo grabbing Palmer's leg in fact he was still in his follow through.

Being right handed means that all of Palmer's weight was on the left leg as Kimo grabbed it there is no way Palmer could have gone any where in that situation.

[HairOnFire]

I'm smart enough to get by. Smart enough to know that you intentionally misquoted a Steeler and got called on it. You said "female" reporter, right? You should probably look back at your original posts and read them before attacking someone for not being "smart enough to figure out the difference between a female reporter and Ron Jaworski?" You never said the word female in any of them.

I bet you barely get by. Regardless, I haven't deliberately misquoted a Steeler player. What I've done is gotten myself engaged in a stupid pissing contest about what was said in a couple of interviews with an idiot troll who watched one and instantly assumes that he can comment on them all...including those he didn't see.

That said, if I hadn't mentioned that the interviewer was female before now then I'll apologize for that much, because I sincerely thought I had. Not that the interviewer was ever important, right? But it won't matter to you because you're not interested in what's being discussed, only in how you can spin a fringe point or act like you've proved something important beyond how stupid you can be.

[HairOnFire]

I'm stretching it a bit when I say more convincingly, yes. But my point is that the playoffs are a different world for a young QB. Roethlisberger was horrible in the playoffs last year, after breaking NFL records as a rookie in the reg. season. My opinion is yes, the result would have been the same, a Bengals loss.

You aren't stretching anything. You're being stupid and petty. It's what you do.

Roethlisberger isn't Palmer. Ben was a rookie who set records related to winning percentage that were the result of team accomplishments. By almost all accounts he was a propped up game manager who wasn't asked to do much, and wasn't capable of doing more if another team dictated how the game was played. He failed because he wasn't prepared to play playoff football.

By comparison, Palmer wasn't a rookie. he's a 3rd year player and 2nd year starter who had just set numerous franchise passing records that are an indication of his high level of individual skill. He was the core player within the offensive scheme and possessed the individual skills needed to attack the Steelers defense deep, which was the gameplan, and one he had proved was sound in the earlier victory over the Steelers. And tellingly, he was already proving it in the playoffs when he completed his first and only pass for more than 60 yards. Your team was well on it's way to being gutted like a fish all game long...just like they had been gutted in Pittsburgh when the Bengals wrapped up the division championship.

In a nutshell, you've got no reason to believe that Palmer would suck as badly as Roethlisberger due to the fact that Palmer is a far superior player. Even a player as arrogant as Roethlisberger admitted Palmer was better.

Frankly, I think it's obvious that your claim is just another excuse being offered because you can't bring yourself to admit that Palmer's injuy had any impact on the outcome. You'd rather lie and spin tall tales about how the loss of a Pro Bowl QB was insignificant. And again, that's rare stupidity.

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[CT Stiller]

I'm smart enough to get by. Smart enough to know that you intentionally misquoted a Steeler and got called on it. You said "female" reporter, right? You should probably look back at your original posts and read them before attacking someone for not being "smart enough to figure out the difference between a female reporter and Ron Jaworski?" You never said the word female in any of them.

I bet you barely get by. Regardless, I haven't deliberately misquoted a Steeler player. What I've done is gotten myself engaged in a stupid pissing contest about what was said in a couple of interviews with an idiot troll who watched one and instantly assumes that he can comment on them all...including those he didn't see.

That said, if I hadn't mentioned that the interviewer was female before now then I'll apologize for that much, because I sincerely thought I had. Not that the interviewer was ever important, right? But it won't matter to you because you're not interested in what's being discussed, only in how you can spin a fringe point or act like you've proved something important beyond how stupid you can be.

Whatever you want to call it, you lied and got called out. I've always been of the belief that when some arrogant ass' fragile self-centeredness feels threatened, he invariably resorts to name calling to make himself feel smarter. Thank you for validating that for me.

[CT Stiller]

I'm stretching it a bit when I say more convincingly, yes. But my point is that the playoffs are a different world for a young QB. Roethlisberger was horrible in the playoffs last year, after breaking NFL records as a rookie in the reg. season. My opinion is yes, the result would have been the same, a Bengals loss.

You aren't stretching anything. You're being stupid and petty. It's what you do.

Roethlisberger isn't Palmer. Ben was a rookie who set records related to winning percentage that were the result of team accomplishments. By almost all accounts he was a propped up game manager who wasn't asked to do much, and wasn't capable of doing more if another team dictated how the game was played. He failed because he wasn't prepared to play playoff football.

By comparison, Palmer wasn't a rookie. he's a 3rd year player and 2nd year starter who had just set numerous franchise passing records that are an indication of his high level of individual skill. He was the core player within the offensive scheme and possessed the individual skills needed to attack the Steelers defense deep, which was the gameplan, and one he had proved was sound in the earlier victory over the Steelers. And tellingly, he was already proving it in the playoffs when he completed his first and only pass for more than 60 yards. Your team was well on it's way to being gutted like a fish all game long...just like they had been gutted in Pittsburgh when the Bengals wrapped up the division championship.

Once again you manage to completely ignore the whole frigging point of the post, which you seem to be very good at. The playoffs are a difference experience. I don't care how good Carson Palmer is, it means jack in the playoffs. If you weren't so busy feeling threatened and going on the defensive about your beloved QB maybe you could read that in the post. I wouldn't expect much of this to have been understood by you seeing as though the Bengals haven't been to the playoffs in 15 years.

Roethlisberger set an NFL record not only for rookie QB wins, but also QB rating. He also had several fourth quarter comebacks and led the NFL in yards-per-attempt. Didn't do us one lick of good in the playoffs.

Oh, and your team just lost seven of the past nine games to the Steelers. You don't have to tell me about "gutting" a team. You can have the division this year, I'll take the playoff win. And I'll take the look on the faces of the two gloomy WRs on your team as well. If anyone deserved to be shut up it's them two.

[HairOnFire]

Whatever you want to call it, you lied and got called out. I've always been of the belief that when some arrogant ass' fragile self-centeredness feels threatened, he invariably resorts to name calling to make himself feel smarter. Thank you for validating that for me.

Not a problem. For the record, I think you're an uncreative troll who feigns sincerity when he isn't arguing both sides of a position or outright lying, which you've done plenty of. And I don't feel threatened by you because you're simply not smart enough to get that job done. What I am is annoyed that you're still here mouthing off about how an important injury didn't matter, that you actually disapprove of the dirty behavior you can't help defending, or that you've proved any point worth mentioning.