walshfan Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Leinart stayed in school another year supposedly to gain more strength in his throwing arm.. after watching him carefully last night I think that experiment wasnt a success..Im not knocking the kid but he reminds me of another former USC QB named Paul McDonald...The comparisons between Palmer and Leinart are nonexistent.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I'd agree, I don't even think Leinart was the best NFL prospect at quarterback playing in that game. Maybe with his semi-poor performance he will fall to the Ravens in the draft and struggle with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 That being said, Vince Young looks like a better version of Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young doesnt have the arm that vick has and isnt as fast or shifty.He does seem to be able to make better decisions that vick though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young has TWICE the arm Vick has. He's more accurate and has better touch and as strong an arm as Vick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young doesnt have the arm that vick has and isnt as fast or shifty.He does seem to be able to make better decisions that vick though.. He certainly doesn't have the arm strength or the pure speed that Vick has.... Vick is in a clas of his own when it comes to that. Young does appear to be more accurrate, and as you said makes better decisions. I think he could be more successful in the NFL than Vick has been if he is surrounded with the right type of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 read any analysis of Young and the knock on him is arm strength..He doesnt run a sub 4.3 either...are you stupid or just argumentative.. probably both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 read any analysis of Young and the knock on him is arm strength..He doesnt run a sub 4.3 either...are you stupid or just argumentative.. probably bothFirst, really, is the steady stream of insults actually required? If you can't handle discussion/debate, message boards probably aren't for you.Second, a sub 4.3 does not a QB make. Vick is fast, but Vince Young is better at running in directions that gain positive yards. As runners, I'd say they're about even overall. Vince is also more accurate - ask Peerless Price how much fun it is playing with Vick. Vick's never bothered learning the QB position, and until he does, he'll never be an above-average QB, overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young is more durable than Vick, his arm strength is questionable, but his release and mechanics are horrible. He needs some serious help from a quarterback's coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB51 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Yeaterday on Lance McCallister's show, Pete Arbogast(former voice of the Bengal radio network and current voice of the USC radio network) said that Leinert was a much smarter QB than Palmer. WHAT!!????? He did say that Palmer had a better arm, but Leinert was better at the line of scrimmage as far as reads and audibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Yeaterday on Lance McCallister's show, Pete Arbogast(former voice of the Bengal radio network and current voice of the USC radio network) said that Leinert was a much smarter QB than Palmer. WHAT!!????? He did say that Palmer had a better arm, but Leinert was better at the line of scrimmage as far as reads and audibles. This was the knock on Palmer going into the draft. I'd have thought that after all of the no-huddle and goofy Bratkowski system, this criticism would be put to rest, but some people just don't pay very much attention to the details before they open their mouths. Then again, Leinart may very well prove to be better, and I'll look stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Funk Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 V Young will have a better NFL career than Vick. Vick is too small and will either need to concentrate on staying in the pocket or start considering careers after football. Vince showed durablity and team leadership. Vick has neither.V Young looked like a young Randall Cunningham last night.Matty will be thrown to the wolves day 1. Big big difference. I can't imagine you would learn anything from Aaron Brooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Remember that many scouts tagged Palmer as being over rated in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Palmer had a differenc OC every year at USC, I think that's where that statement come fromLeinart is a glorified Chad Pennington in my eyes. Weak arm, and he's not real accurate eitherOf course, he is a smart guy, and could be Tom Brady III have my doubts on Young, too. First of all, that throwing motion is just gross. And most of those tackles he slipped last night he probably wouldn't have in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Yeaterday on Lance McCallister's show, Pete Arbogast(former voice of the Bengal radio network and current voice of the USC radio network) said that Leinert was a much smarter QB than Palmer. WHAT!!????? He did say that Palmer had a better arm, but Leinert was better at the line of scrimmage as far as reads and audibles. This was the knock on Palmer going into the draft. I'd have thought that after all of the no-huddle and goofy Bratkowski system, this criticism would be put to rest, but some people just don't pay very much attention to the details before they open their mouths. Then again, Leinart may very well prove to be better, and I'll look stupid.Yeah, I've got no idea where they get that crap from. If you're smart enough to run a fairly complicated offense in no-huddle and almost always make the right audibles and checkdowns at the line, you're plenty smart. Just goes to show how useless your average scout is (I think that's where this whole thing got started), and how dumb the average radio clown is.To be completely honest, I've never been *that* impressed by Leinart. I do know that the LA media jocks him like no other though. They pretty much thought he walked on water. We'll see what they say after the first loss in forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 V Young looked like a young Randall Cunningham last night. I've been looking for someone to compare him to, and I think you nailed it.I'd agree with y'all saying Young won't have the same success on his feet in the NFL, not by a longshot, but if he can clean up that release and is put in the right system, he could succeed like Cunningham or McNabb with the Eagles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 cunningham is a fair comparison.. Leinart= Paul McDonald! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vick and Palmer are allstar NFL qb's these guys are not in the league yet . but they both have issues with arm strength the both float the ball . and neither has the arm strength of palmer or Vick . and when it comes to accuracy there not even close to Palmer . i am not sold on either one of these guys . we could be looking at the next couch and smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 That being said, Vince Young looks like a better version of Vick.I would say he's the exact replacement Tennessee is looking to eventually replace Steve McNair. Anyone compared to Vick equals AVERAGE. (dare I say, over-rated?)PS, Vick is an all-star by name and his "potentional". He's average, at best, compared to his QB counterparts. Sure, he's fast. Sure, he's innaccurate. Sure, he's got an arm (so does Boller, big whoop). But if anything, he's the guy that'll get voted in annually that will never earn it; he's given it. Signed,The non-Vick fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young isn't flashy, but he knows when to run, and when to pass. Who cares about mechanics? All he needs are a few pointers from a smart coach in the NFL, which I hope he gets. He came up huge last night, and him and Leinart will both be good in the NFL.....unless Leinart goes to New Orleans, where he looks like he'll be headed. Vick sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb10588 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 First of all there is no way you can compare Lienart to Tom Brady, even though Brady plays for the Patriots he is probably the most accurate and one of the smartest QB's on the field in this day. I feel he is the modern day Joe Montana, he can scan the field and know whos open like that, and wtf how does anyone get off saying Leinart is like Palmer. he can't fit the ball into tight places like palmer can and he is no where near as effective as palmer is. V Young is the man. he may not have the arm power Vick has but he knows what to do in every situation last night he was all over the place doing everything right and oh yeah Texas Won because of that man.Vick is an average QB if that with an above average arm, but without any accuracy his arm is pretty worthless.Bengalboomer i like how you said Leinart is another Chad Pennington i completely agree with that. Overall Vick sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhunkE1 Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 After hearing Lienert during his post game interview I get the impression that he's a spoiled brat. He made the following comment "I think we're still the better team. They just made more plays". You got beat, take it like a man! Vince Young on the other had really impressed me. I see him in Ari next year. Just think of what he could do with the likes of Boldin and Fitzgerald to throw it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 As a bruin alum, my thoughts on this issue are not to be trusted. (Hell, I'm just now getting over the fact that Palmer was a cheating trojan.) I thought Leinart's comments after the game were pure bush -- backhanded compliment to a team that just beat you and showed serious sack doing it. He also looked like he was totally pissed -- not disppointed, but pissed that it could even happen. Spoiled brat - can't handle it when any adversity comes his way. I guess after the Notre Dame game, he assumed that they would be given whatever it took to keep their win streak alive.As for Young -- that guy was a rock. Everybody on the planet knew that he had to break contain and run it in if they were going to win and he did it anyway. I have my doubts that he will be a successful NFL QB without some serious changes to his mechanics in throwing the ball and a change from his running mindset. That said, it was a tremendous win and UT rode that guy the whole way. What a total stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 The thing I noticed about Leinart and Young is that they both had real poise. which is probably the biggest thing.Young will not run nearly as much in the NFL. Most of the plays where he ran, were designed plays just for him. Those will not fly in the NFL. Young does have nice touch but ugly mechanics, which can be fixed. The bigger question is whether Young can work in a Pro NFL offense. Does he have the ability to operate an offense like Philly, KC, NE, Cincy...? Not so sure. He would need to keep developing and working on things, like protecting the ball. Leinart had better weapons than Carson did at USC. Evaluating Leinart on his own merits tells me he will be an average NFL QB, the comparison to Pennington may even be a bit much, as he is not as accurate as pennington used to be. To me he is a bit like Brady but maybe a bit weaker arm....maybe more like Bulger.As far as all the Vick talk is concerned, I'd like to see Michael Vick get some better coaching or change positions. If I were Blank and had Matt Schaub, I'd look to get Vick to put on 15 pounds and split out some and play some RB. The key with Vick is creativity. his talents are so unique he just does not fit the mold of the generic NFL QB. Yeah he can throw a mile but with little touch and barely average accuracy. Put him in the pcoket and expect him to stand and work progressions and eliver a Peyton or Carson laser to a tight space, not gonna happen, but get him out wide catching a screen and then passing to a WR downfield then you might have something. For Vick, they need to re-invent an offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Vince Young reminds me of Akili Smith - laugh at me if you want to, but there was a reason Smith was drafted in the top 5 and had such a great senior year - he was a great college QB.Young's abilities will not translate well to the NFL - give me a pocket passer in the NFL any day over scrambling QB's who do nothing but eventually get hurt and are overrated (see Vick) with bad mechanics who played in a pseudo-option system. Vince Young is one of the best college QB's ever though.Palmer is and will be a better QB than Leinart ever will in the NFL. Leinart could be very good NFL QB - but can't make all the throws Palmer can - in fact there aren't many QB's period who can make the passes Palmer does all over the place.Scrambling QB's are a thing of the past in the NFL - it's why Vick is hurt every single week it seems and his team hasn't gone anywhere.The days of Cunningham's and Steve Young's are things of the past - you have to really pick and choose your battles when scrambling these days - guys are too big and fast and will hurt your QB too easily. Young should stay in school another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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