cincy90 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Over the course of this year, I have heard some things about the Bengals that piss me off. They are as follows:1) The Bengals have to pay their dues. They have to make the playoffs for a few years and get beat in order to prepare themselves for the Super Bowl. ***The Bengals are 8-3, they have a great opportunity. If they want it, they'll take it...period. 2) Whenever we get ready to play good teams (Steelers, Colts) I hear people saying that they hope that those teams don't lose the week before because then they'll be mad when they play us.***This is football. If you have this mentality, you are a loser by nature and should probably take off your dress.3) We are one year away from the Super Bowl. We need to draft better defensive players, and then we'll be ready.***On NFL Countdown, the Bengals were ranked no lower than 4th in the league. I'm thinking that means we have enough talent. I'm sure the Ravens were worried about Trent Dilfer being their quarterback and their lack of good receivers when they won their Super Bowl. After all, we might lose some of our good players by next season.4) Our game against the Colts was awesome. We lost, but it was great.***Peyton is mortal, believe it or not. If you accept not being able to stop him because you think he is unstoppable, then you are a loser. The team will never make it to the promised land with that mentality. Maybe a decade of sucking has brought this upon yourself. If the Bengals don't win, I'm pissed no matter how the game was. How would you like to go 0-16 with 16 awesome and entertaining games?5) Last night during the game, a news report said something about the Bengals' playoff chances hinging on the Steelers losing against the Colts.***Again, this is football. If the Bengals want the division, they will go whoop the Steelers' a$$es. They don't need anyone else's help.Overall, I know that most of the fans are pretty good about all of this. I expect the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl this year. In order to be a winner, you have to think like a winner and stop with all of this BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 3) We are one year away from the Super Bowl. We need to draft better defensive players, and then we'll be ready.***On NFL Countdown, the Bengals were ranked no lower than 4th in the league. I'm thinking that means we have enough talent. I'm sure the Ravens were worried about Trent Dilfer being their quarterback and their lack of good receivers when they won their Super Bowl. After all, we might lose some of our good players by next season.I agree with #3 personally. I hope I'm wrong and we win the Superbowl this year. It does seem that teams rising quickly is much more common in recent years -- the Ravens are a good example of that. However, I gotta think that the defense has, and will, hold us back from winning it all this year. Some degree of balance is necessary. While the rats were unbalanced in favor of the defense, they still had a decent-enough game management strategy on offense. But, I do see your point there. Perhaps another analogy, however, would be the Colts whose last few years was characterized by a teriffic offense and a defense that couldn't get off the field. Again, I hope you're right and we get to the show. Either way, don't make me put on a dress, okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Don't worry. Marvin knows all this, and he's not stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROIIIDayton Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 I agree. I haven't been posting on here lately because every time I get on here there are people talking about how we can lose. I can't stand that. I hate hearing people say we need a few years of playoff experience. Tom Brady had a lot of that didn't he. That is the difference in attitude between making it to one superbowl and winning three. This year is our year and some crybaby like Payton Manning is going to take it away from Palmer and Chad. They don't think like that so neither should any of us. We have to believe we are going to be there. I think this weekend will show us that Palmer is ready to take this team all the way. Payton will choke in the playoffs like he always does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Sorry to piss everyone off, but I've noticed that I'm thinking like a loser. After being let down against Pitt, and Indy I won't be as shocked to see them lose this weekend. None the less, I'll be rooting for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoFever Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Overall, I know that most of the fans are pretty good about all of this. I expect the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl this year. In order to be a winner, you have to think like a winner and stop with all of this BS.You're right. If I (the fan) don't think that the Bengals will go to the Super Bowl, then there's no way that they'll make it. After all, the players on the field mean nothing. It's how the fans think about their team that matters. I guess we'll see the Packers vs. the Steelers for the Super Bowl this year then, since their fans are the biggest believers year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Fans do what they can do -- they talk about their team. If you don't agree that's cool. But don't get all angry about some other fans' opinions. Okay, mayble I'll modify that....get mad at DPM, he can handle it. And I agree wholeheartedly on the attitude thing Temco. It's the players that count, not what the fans believe. You can bet that every team in the league, even the Clowns, have fans that think they're going to the SuperBowl every year. That doesn't mean much this time in the season though. The sole exception is for fans that make it to the game. They can make it hard on the opponents and that has some effect, but not all that much really. I'm sure it's more appreciated than boos, but it doesn't make too many plays for you during the game (a couple here and there maybe). Consider also that this team has been a heartbreaker for a long time. Fans have to get over the inferiority complex too. I would bet that most everybody on this board has been a fan through some pretty hard times. That's as good a reason as any to be pessimistic, or realistic, or a dress wearing loser (depending on your point of view). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Over the course of this year, I have heard some things about the Bengals that piss me off. They are as follows:1) The Bengals have to pay their dues. They have to make the playoffs for a few years and get beat in order to prepare themselves for the Super Bowl. ***The Bengals are 8-3, they have a great opportunity. If they want it, they'll take it...period. 2) Whenever we get ready to play good teams (Steelers, Colts) I hear people saying that they hope that those teams don't lose the week before because then they'll be mad when they play us.***This is football. If you have this mentality, you are a loser by nature and should probably take off your dress.3) We are one year away from the Super Bowl. We need to draft better defensive players, and then we'll be ready.***On NFL Countdown, the Bengals were ranked no lower than 4th in the league. I'm thinking that means we have enough talent. I'm sure the Ravens were worried about Trent Dilfer being their quarterback and their lack of good receivers when they won their Super Bowl. After all, we might lose some of our good players by next season.4) Our game against the Colts was awesome. We lost, but it was great.***Peyton is mortal, believe it or not. If you accept not being able to stop him because you think he is unstoppable, then you are a loser. The team will never make it to the promised land with that mentality. Maybe a decade of sucking has brought this upon yourself. If the Bengals don't win, I'm pissed no matter how the game was. How would you like to go 0-16 with 16 awesome and entertaining games?5) Last night during the game, a news report said something about the Bengals' playoff chances hinging on the Steelers losing against the Colts.***Again, this is football. If the Bengals want the division, they will go whoop the Steelers' a$$es. They don't need anyone else's help.Overall, I know that most of the fans are pretty good about all of this. I expect the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl this year. In order to be a winner, you have to think like a winner and stop with all of this BS.You must be a newer Bengal fan (nothing wrong with that). 15 years of dashed hopes usually comes with some skepticism. The Bengals have more up-side that any other team, but they are still young. Nothing wrong with keeping it real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 i totally agree with all your points cincy90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 IMHO, cincy, I think all those reasons or arguments or whatever you want to call them are pretty much bogus. The kind of stuff guys like Peter King bloviate about because they get paid to do so and don't have anything real to say. I agree it's annoying and I've vented about it myself...but it's really junk.There are reasons to question how far this team can go, including, but not limited to: our safeties stink; we have too many defensive players (J. Smith, B. Simmons, D. Clemons, T. James) who seem to disappear for ong stretches of games; and for all his amazing development this season Carson is still young. But I wouldn't worry about whether they've "paid dues" or "know how to win the big game." That''s just pundit-blather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Overall, I know that most of the fans are pretty good about all of this. I expect the Bengals to be in the Super Bowl this year. In order to be a winner, you have to think like a winner and stop with all of this BS. If any Bengals players don't expect a Superbowl, then please, give them this lecture.We, here on this message board, are fans. Our opinions, hopes, and expectations have absolutely zero effect on what happens to the team. We see holes, we see problems, and we point them out and offer possible solutions, or even just complain. It's what we do. We're allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy90 Posted November 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 First of all, I'm not a new Bengals fan. I have spent many a day watching the Bengals and their futility during the 90's. This is even more reason for optimism. After so many rough years, how can you not have confidence in this team?? I believe Tom Jackson said that they are the 3rd best team in the league. Hell, even Michael Irvin (who has ripped the Bengals for years) said we are #4. What more do you want? What if Chad holds out and gets traded by next year? What if we don't resign Justin Smith, etc? You do know that there is a salary cap, don't you? You can't expect to improve in all of our areas of need and expect to maintain everything that we already have. The window of opportunity is open now because we can beat any team on any day.If you disagree with any of these points, you obviously don't have much confidence in your team. No fans don't make any plays, but they can create an atmosphere where winning is expected. I seriously doubt that the Steelers or their fans could give a damn if the team they are about to play is mad when they play them. Right now, they expect to kick our a$$, and that is precisely why some Bengals fans don't think we have a chance this week. Some people hope that we can back into the playoffs and have convinced themselves that all we can hope for is the wild card. I'm looking for us to win the division and get some home games during the playoffs. I am unwavering in my support for the team. Marvin Lewis is in my opinion the best coach in the league. I will continue to hold them to the highest standards, because anything less would be selling this team short.One final thing...I know that what the fans think does not directly contribute to anything that happens on the field. However, I would like to associate myself with people that actually have some confidence and pride for a cause that they support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 If you disagree with any of these points, you obviously don't have much confidence in your team. Sure we have confidence in our team. Sure we have high hopes for them. Sure we think they are capable of going far. Sure we think they have a good shot at beating the Steelers on Sunday. 15 years of futility does not erase the football knowlege in anyone's brain. We can look our team up and down and make our judgements without any consideration of what has happened in the past. I think you misunderstand the negativity you've been seeing and/or hearing.We don't expect our Bengals to choke. We don't expect them to suddenly turn into the 2002 Bengals during big games. Still, anyone's opinion will be affected by the two greatest forces present in the mentalities of football fans. They are homerism and realism. Of those two, the most logical to follow is certainly realism. We know what strengths and weaknesses exist on our football team, and judge accordingly what we expect to happen on gamedays.For example, those Bengals fans who expect the Steelers to beat us on Sunday (not myself included) have a perfectly good reason for such. The Bengals have a rush defense that has frequently struggled, and the Steelers are known by all as a team that could exploit that weakness very effectively. This is prefectly logical.If we as fans expect the Bengals defense to gear up and stop the run, that will not make a difference as to whether or not it actually happens. If we as fans expect the Bengals to play in the Superbowl this season, that will not make a difference as to whether or not it actually happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_justdmb Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 about Tecmo's comment up there, I have one person who I used to talk about football with (I recently banned him from talking football with me) who is a huge Chiefs fans. when we talked about the schedule, I counted the Ratbirds at home as a win, he kept saying "you shouldn't overlook the Ravens, if you just count them as a W and look towards Pittsburgh, they're going to beat you." What a dumbass. Look. I know the Bengals need me and all my positive vibes. I get this. But I can talk Super Bowl and put a 1988 Riverfront Stadium Super Stripes banner in my signature and it's not going to affect the game one bit. bastard. hate that guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I don't happen to believe that you can remain blindly confident without giving credence to some obvious shortcomings. I don't believe that if you point those out and hope that those responsible on the team, from the coach to the individual player, improve in those areas that you're somehow undermining the team or that you don't have confidence in their abilities, especially in other areas where they just happen to totally kick ass. Finally, if wishing, hoping and having confidence were what it took -- you can bet I'd be there doing all those things with you. Just because I don't think that's what it takes doesn't mean I'm not as good a fan or as loyal as others. We can both raise a toast when our team reaches the playoffs and dance in the street naked if/when they win the SuperBowl. I'd love nothing more than having to read you saying "I told you so" in February '06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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