BengalszoneBilly Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Well kevnz, Daytona is over and it's time to rock and roll with real racin' at the rock...as in Rockingham!! I believe it's going to be a totally different outcome from last weekend. I'm really starting to hate restrictor plate racing. Too predictable. Take the plates off, and let 'em run 220 mph I say!! (That'll never happen! )This weekend I'm looking for the Fords to start showing their power. Don't be surprised to see the Roush/Yates boys back with a vengeance! Especially the seasoned racers like our boys Mark Martin in the #6, and Dale Jarrett in the #88. I added the car numbers for the benefit of any others who might be interested here, of course. I'm sure I could could throw almost any driver or car number at you, and you could give me the appropriate answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 This weekend I'm looking for the Fords to start showing their power.Why did so many Chevy's do so well at Daytona? Is that reflected from the restrictor plates? Don't be surprised to see the Roush/Yates boys back with a vengeance!Was that the engine that blew up TWICE? Help me here fellas, if you want me to be interested in NASCAR, you need to guide me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Why did so many Chevy's do so well at Daytona? Is that reflected from the restrictor plates? Was that the engine that blew up TWICE? Help me here fellas, if you want me to be interested in NASCAR, you need to guide me. First question on Chevys: Not ALL Chevys did well. Just one teams in particular. That team is Dale Earnhardt Inc. Which is why Dale Jr. won the race. They have an edge. What it is is a mystery. Kevnz says cheating. I dunno. Now to the blown engine/s: No engine blows twice. (Kinda like a woman after you marry her, eh? ) A blown engine is a failed engine that races no more that day. The thing is two engines from the same builder failed during the race. Could be significant. I think it probably wasn't, seeing how they do things a little differently inside the engine for a restrictor plate race.Always feel free to ask any racing questions here. I'm sure kevnz and I will be more than happy to help with answers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 This weekend I'm looking for the Fords to start showing their power.Why did so many Chevy's do so well at Daytona? Is that reflected from the restrictor plates? Okay, it's time to start talking physics....(And people think NASCAR is all about the Good ole boys)Actually, I can't remember the exact info but this is what it comes down toA car at Daytona has more to worry about aero wise. If it has more drag(I think) it really hurts at Daytona, but it can help at slower tracks with being able to stick the corners at a faster speed. I'm sorry I'm a bit sketchy on the terms at the moment, I slept through my physics classes... As for the restrictor plates...They are hell on an engine, it's like trying to run a marathon while someone is choking you...and with as many engines as Yates/Roush had out there (about 8 cars 2 engines apiece) it's not unheard of to eat a few...it happens. Usually when the engine tuners are trying to get that extra 10 ponies out of it.....And as for the Rock....I wouldn't bet against Dale Jarrett or Mark Martin...both run extremly well there. On the Chevy side of things, Gordon does pretty well there.... But there is gonna be about 30 cars with a realy shot at winning the race, it's so bloddy hard to pick a winner before the race nowadays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 First question on Chevys: Not ALL Chevys did well. Just on teams in particular. That team is Dale Earnhardt Inc. Which is why Dale Jr. won the race. They have an edge. What it is is a mystery. Kevnz says cheating. I dunno. Always feel free to ask any racing questions here. I'm sure kevnz and I will be more than happy to help with answers! Hey now, I never said he was cheating..I said I wouldn't be surprised he was cheating...And it's not cheating if NASCAR knows about it. But that's neither here nor there....Okay yes I think NASCAR let him win.......He's too high profile with the target demographic for them to ignore....It pisses me off cause they are gonna ignore what really makes NASCAR special, and that's the racing, and they won't be able to get rid of the old drivers fast enough....and that just pisses me off anyway.yep, I'll be happy to answer as many questions as I can...between billy and me we aught to be able to educate the unwashed masses cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Regarding restrictor plates -- doesn't that prove that a driver being restricted on speed prove how good of a driver he is? And not requiring speed to win? I'm asking here, not making a point. For crimany sakes, I have no points when it comes to NASCAR. You guys are my teacher in that aspect and I'm below the novice fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 I'll defer to kevnz on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Regarding restrictor plates -- doesn't that prove that a driver being restricted on speed prove how good of a driver he is? And not requiring speed to win? I'm asking here, not making a point. For crimany sakes, I have no points when it comes to NASCAR. You guys are my teacher in that aspect and I'm below the novice fan. Not really. The thing about restrictor plate racing is that it brings the mediocre drivers in line with the really good drivers...a lot of times it's about being in the right place at the right time, missing the "big one", getting someone to push you(pulling up behind you and creating a "slicker" aero profile) and having good pit stops or stragety and a lot of times a healthy dose of luck. What a restrictor plate does is it keeps the car from accelerating quickly as well as keeping the top speed down. That means that as soon as someone get's off the accelerator for any reason they just had their chance at winning the race decrease by about 80%....Drivers can't pass on their own* they have to have help cause of the plates...I think the best plan I heard for getting the racing back to Daytona, and keeping the speeds down would be to just give them smaller engines and no plates....much safer, and a little slower...*see my previous posts on that matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 That's it in a nutshell guys. He nailed it exactly. I just wish they'd let them bust 200mph by just a little bit. It's been done before, and with the added saftey enhancements, I don't think it would be exceedingly deadly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Not really. The thing about restrictor plate racing is that it brings the mediocre drivers in line with the really good drivers...a lot of times it's about being in the right place at the right time, missing the "big one", getting someone to push you(pulling up behind you and creating a "slicker" aero profile) and having good pit stops or stragety and a lot of times a healthy dose of luck.I noticed the announcers mentioned that alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 My prediction for this weekends winner at Rockingham...Last years Winston Cup Champion Matt Kenseth in the #17 Dewalt Ford. He always races well there, and I think he's eager to prove he can lead the series under this new point system as well!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Is that the Subway 400?Question, how does second place get more cash than first in the Hershey's Kisses 300http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/busch/races/1/resultsAlso, Kurt Busch who finished 16th, made more than 13th place. Does the season influence this or advancement from starting point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Is that the Subway 400?Question, how does second place get more cash than first in the Hershey's Kisses 300http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/busch/races/1/resultsAlso, Kurt Busch who finished 16th, made more than 13th place. Does the season influence this or advancement from starting point? Ya know Josh, I can't figure that out for myself, but it's only a few bucks. But here's a hint, concentrate on the points in the series. The money will ALWAY follow the points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Is that the Subway 400?Question, how does second place get more cash than first in the Hershey's Kisses 300http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/busch/races/1/resultsAlso, Kurt Busch who finished 16th, made more than 13th place. Does the season influence this or advancement from starting point? okay, I can kinda answer this...It's to help series regulers...If the team finished somewhere in the top 20(I think) last year they qualify for a extra money...NASCAR throws them a bone because of how many cup regulers and others race in busch as well. Plus there are all sorts of little extra programs that some cars are eligible for as well to get more money as well. They also do the same in Cup as well. Hope that helps...I am a fountain of useless information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 That's awfully unfair though, don't you think? Some get bonuses for great finishes, while the lesser known drivers get less money for better finishes? Does this relate to racing teams? Keep in mind, I'm just learning the sport -- at least trying to -- so don't think that I'm challenging anything you guys say, I'm just trying to understand the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 I can kinda answer this...It's to help series regulers...If the team finished somewhere in the top 20(I think) last year they qualify for a extra money...NASCAR throws them a bone because of how many cup regulers and others race in busch as well. Plus there are all sorts of little extra programs that some cars are eligible for as well to get more money as well. They also do the same in Cup as well. Hope that helps...I am a fountain of useless information Chris, that ain't useless!! Hell. I didn't even know that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 This is per Ken Griffey Jr. at his arrival at spring training: The Reds are off the national media's radar this spring, with names like Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemens dominating the news. But Griffey said he thinks some perspective is needed. For instance, his take on the Rodriguez trade: "I don't care what you say, Dale Earnhardt Jr. winning Daytona was bigger. In baseball, you can talk about a trade for two weeks. But as a single event, the Daytona 500 is bigger." Unquote.Okay guy's, this man is finally lucid! Look for his best year as a Red this year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 This is per Ken Griffey Jr. at his arrival at spring training: The Reds are off the national media's radar this spring, with names like Alex Rodriguez and Roger Clemens dominating the news. But Griffey said he thinks some perspective is needed. For instance, his take on the Rodriguez trade: "I don't care what you say, Dale Earnhardt Jr. winning Daytona was bigger. In baseball, you can talk about a trade for two weeks. But as a single event, the Daytona 500 is bigger." Unquote.Okay guy's, this man is finally lucid! Look for his best year as a Red this year!!! Praising NASCAR puts you immediately on Billys good guy list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Praising NASCAR puts you immediately on Billys good guy list. He's on my list, and it gets him four stars to boot!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 My prediction for this weekends winner at Rockingham...Last years Winston Cup Champion Matt Kenseth in the #17 Dewalt Ford. He always races well there, and I think he's eager to prove he can lead the series under this new point system as well!! Give the man a gold star....I hope you put some money on it.Oh, Kirk...It's team based, not driver based. It might seem unfair, and it probably is, but historically it actually makes sense. When there was only about 5 teams week in and week out capable of winning then the other teams needed something a little extra cause you'd get some cats coming in and running a part time schedule taking the teams that were there every week winnings so. Also don't forget there are other winnings that go to drivers that run certain products...use a certain oil, or tool, or beverage then get extra money for finishing ahead of some guy in the same program....Yep, this is gonna be Griffeys best year yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Hey, can I call 'em or what! Only by .011 of a second, mind you. What a great race!! Too bad I didn't put some bucks on it. Not enough people wanna bet on a Nascar race. Bummer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Okay, we have next weekend off, then it's off to Las Vegas, Nevada in two weeks, which is Kurt Busch's home track, and a strong venue for Rouch Racing in general. I'm saying now that it'll be far tougher to pick that race than the one I just called this past weekend. Here's the six, yes...I said SIX drivers with an equal chance to win it.#1: Matt Kenseth, in the #17 DeWalt Ford. He has major momentum from last weeks victory, and he won this race last year. From his post race comments, it's obvious he wants to prove he can be a champion under any scoring system!#2: Mark Martin, in the #6 Viagra Ford. He has won this race twice times before, and had a decent showing last weekend after surviving a crash early.#3: Ryan Newman, in the #12 ALLTEL Dodge. This Dodge driver is wayyyy overdue for a victory. Things just didn't fall his way after winning the pole this last weekend.#4: Jeff Gordon, in the #24 DuPont Chevrolet. He was a definite factor in last weeks race at the "Rock", until a caution caught him in the pits and put him a lap down. He never had the time to catch back up.#5: Kurt Busch, in the #97 Sharpie Ford. It's his home track, and he has attitude in spades! I guess it's the reason I kinda like him!!#6: Dale Earnhardt Jr., in the #8 Budwieser Chevrolet. He had his best finish at his worst track in Rockingham on Sunday. His determination for this years championship is undeniable.Kevnz...check me on these predictions again in two weeks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Billy, good predictions there....Wouldn't bet against Kenseth there that's for sure....I'll also throw out one name as a bit of a sleeper pick...Elliot Sadler in the 38 M&M's Ford....But if I was a betting man I'd have to say the 17 would get my money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I'll also throw out one name as a bit of a sleeper pick...Elliot Sadler in the 38 M&M's Ford. You're right about Sadler. He's been fast during qualifying the past two weeks, but it just hasn't translated into anything during the race for him. A track like Las Vegas does fit his style, as it seems to do for all the Roush Racing drivers! Any drivers of Jack could be a winner there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 OK, day two of my NASCAR experience and I have to admit, during the finishing line; I practically jumped out of my seat with that finish. That was pretty fun. Though the race in the middle was kind of boring, even slow. But the finish was really exciting. I need to find myself a driver. I like Kenseth and my family is a Stewart fan so maybe I'll pick between those two; perhaps the season will dictate the end. HUMMM... So far in general, my racing experience is 2 for 2. I might mention small bits of a "diary of sorts" in my NASCAR experience during weekly KBLOGS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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