walshfan Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Ive watched Jeremi Johnson run and catch the ball and I marvel at his quick feet for a big man..I cant help but believe if Paul Brown were alive he'd be using Jerimi in short yardage situations like the Steelers use the Bus since theyre the same size..I know he's a great blocker but if he needs a lead blocker we have Nick Luchey for those duties...I'd like to see him get a chance to use that power.. If the Steelers have the Bus why cant we counter with the "Tank" ???As for our defensive line.. With all the speed Marvin has accumulated at the linebacking spots it seems he might be ready to look for that big NT of occupy blockers and let our small but quick backers do what he drafted them for.. Thornton and Robinson are DE's by trade put into the tackle spots.. Our front 3 of Thornton and Robinson at DE with a rotation of Clemons and Geathers makes sense to me IF we have that NT in place.. Shaun Smith could be the backup NT in this scheme.A lineup of Thornton and Robinson at DE with a big NT in the middlePollack Johnson Thurman and Simmons as backers to tackle and blitz...Is a 34 coming soon to Cincy??Thought on this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Rudi is a power-back. I see no need to bench both Rudi and Perry, in order to try to put in Nick Luchey and give Jeremi Johnson the ball. In the last 3 years he has only gotten 21 carries... so running the ball is not his strength. He's not that type of back. He is only averaging 2.4 YPC, and Rudi is just fine in those situations.As for the D-Line... I'm not a big fan of the 3-4, and would be dead set against playing Robinson and Thornton as our DE's. Robinson is a good DT... and the draft is loaded this year with better DT's than Thornton, so I really doubt we'll have any DT problems to complain about next year.If you don't like Justin Smith and Geathers... I can understand that, but I think Smith is still excellent at stopping the run. Geathers has been somewhat disappointing, but there are also several big name DE's coming out in free agency this year, so we could grab one of those if need be. Think about a D-Line next year that goes something like...John Abraham (NYJ), Bryan Robinson, Jesse Mahelona (SR @Ten), Justin SmithThat added with our current team would be a superbowl waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Luchey is unlikely to be activated the same week as Jeremi Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 For the 5 millionth time there is no base 3-4 defense coming to Cincy any time soon.Also, Geathers is more effective with his inside rush than people think - focus on him on tape - it's just that no one else is feeding off of the pressure he creates. The guy can fly for his size, and is improving again finally.Thornton had a nice game Sunday as did Landon Johnson. It seems those two were playing with a curious sense of urgency.That said GB seemed to adjust in the 2nd half to Cincy's defense and the Bengals' didn't seem to adjust to anything again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Sounds like a damn good Idea to me, Rudi is much of a power back. When JJ was in Indiana he was a running fool. I dont know why teams these days why they dont run full backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I don't think you have to go to a 3-4 to use a big, fat, nasty DT. We definitely need someone with some size. Also, we need Odell and Simmons not to run straight into the pile on end arounds, as that is absolutely killing us.I gotta say, I don't quite understand our D-line - they're not getting much QB pressure, and they're not stopping the run for the most part. Jumpy isn't getting enough QB pressure, in my mind, to justify being out there on running downs at all.In the last game, I was actually pleased with Powell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Rudi is a power-back. I see no need to bench both Rudi and Perry, in order to try to put in Nick Luchey and give Jeremi Johnson the ball. In the last 3 years he has only gotten 21 carries... so running the ball is not his strength. He's not that type of back. He is only averaging 2.4 YPC, and Rudi is just fine in those situations.I see a flaw in your logic. He has gotten only 21 carries because that is the number of times his number has been called. I am a little intrigued by the idea of a short yardage specialist. Didn't Chicago use the fridge insted of Walter Payton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Rudi is a power-back. I see no need to bench both Rudi and Perry, in order to try to put in Nick Luchey and give Jeremi Johnson the ball. In the last 3 years he has only gotten 21 carries... so running the ball is not his strength. He's not that type of back. He is only averaging 2.4 YPC, and Rudi is just fine in those situations.I see a flaw in your logic. He has gotten only 21 carries because that is the number of times his number has been called. I am a little intrigued by the idea of a short yardage specialist. Didn't Chicago use the fridge insted of Walter Payton? My point is that if he was the type of back that was efficient the way we are talking about... he would have more than 21 carries. If Marvin thought he was a better short-yardage back that Rudi... I imagine he would have more than 4 carries this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 And by the way, JJ is a Western Kentucky alum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Rudi is a power-back. I see no need to bench both Rudi and Perry, in order to try to put in Nick Luchey and give Jeremi Johnson the ball. In the last 3 years he has only gotten 21 carries... so running the ball is not his strength. He's not that type of back. He is only averaging 2.4 YPC, and Rudi is just fine in those situations.I see a flaw in your logic. He has gotten only 21 carries because that is the number of times his number has been called. I am a little intrigued by the idea of a short yardage specialist. Didn't Chicago use the fridge insted of Walter Payton? My point is that if he was the type of back that was efficient the way we are talking about... he would have more than 21 carries. If Marvin thought he was a better short-yardage back that Rudi... I imagine he would have more than 4 carries this year.I disagree....JJ is a power back...He's quick.. hell he has to get thru the line to block before rudi gets there so dont tell me he cant run....He's 40lbs heavier to boot... Paul Brown loved that type of runner and they were effective....Marvin's mindset is that Jerimi should block for Rudi...I think Jerimi should at least get the opportunity to see what he's got....He may not be a "Bus but then again who reallyl knows....Marvin is a good coach that doesnt mean he's allways right.. Hell he keeps playing the same schemes with the Dlinemen knowing that they arent holding up... What the hell is the matter with at lest giving Shaun Smith a chance.. Can he be any worse!!! BTW Shula... If your not on the coaching staff dont emphasize that this team will never go to a 34.. You dont know that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hey Walshfan, perhaps you should open your ears then...MARVIN LEWIS HAS SAID NO 3-4LESLIE FRASIER SAID NO 3-4CHUCKIE B SAID NOT MUCH 3-4Get the idea yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hey Walshfan, perhaps you should open your ears then...MARVIN LEWIS HAS SAID NO 3-4LESLIE FRASIER SAID NO 3-4CHUCKIE B SAID NOT MUCH 3-4Get the idea yet?You ever change your mind on something that doesnt seem to be working???Maybe you dont thickhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Rudi is a power-back. I see no need to bench both Rudi and Perry, in order to try to put in Nick Luchey and give Jeremi Johnson the ball. In the last 3 years he has only gotten 21 carries... so running the ball is not his strength. He's not that type of back. He is only averaging 2.4 YPC, and Rudi is just fine in those situations.As for the D-Line... I'm not a big fan of the 3-4, and would be dead set against playing Robinson and Thornton as our DE's. Robinson is a good DT... and the draft is loaded this year with better DT's than Thornton, so I really doubt we'll have any DT problems to complain about next year.If you don't like Justin Smith and Geathers... I can understand that, but I think Smith is still excellent at stopping the run. Geathers has been somewhat disappointing, but there are also several big name DE's coming out in free agency this year, so we could grab one of those if need be. Think about a D-Line next year that goes something like...John Abraham (NYJ), Bryan Robinson, Jesse Mahelona (SR @Ten), Justin SmithThat added with our current team would be a superbowl waiting to happen.Abraham puts up the stats, but seems to be a malcontent...maybe Marvin could reel him in....being a Vol fan, Mahelona would be a definite upgrade.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Hey Walshfan, perhaps you should open your ears then...MARVIN LEWIS HAS SAID NO 3-4LESLIE FRASIER SAID NO 3-4CHUCKIE B SAID NOT MUCH 3-4Get the idea yet?You ever change your mind on something that doesnt seem to be working???Maybe you dont thickhead.Doesn't seem to be working? Wake up and smell the defense. Our overall yardage defense is middle of the pack, true. HOWEVER, we do have the #4 scoring defense in the league. We do lead the league in creating turnovers. We DO have the most wins in our division, and are tied for the second most wins in the league.Seems our defense as a whole is working just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Yep...you are thickheaded....your overall knowledge of football is decreasing by the minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBengalfan Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Offense dont touch it, its fine!!!Defense, a lot better than it has been in the past.I think that our pass Defense is great, a lot better than in the past couple years.Creating Turnovers is not a problem.Our main problem is that we are having trouble with the run. I dont think that the 3-4 is for us. Duane has 2.0 sacks( in 4 games) since coming back. I think that if both Justin can get pressure like Duane has been getting lately then we'll be okay. I think 4-3 is for us.Get that guard who hit that fan, he'd be perfect for our run D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I like the JJ idea, but it'll never fly in that building. He really seems like almost a Bus clone with his size combined with good quickness and athletic ability. I'd like to see him used in some Hback formations too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 If I'm not mistaken arent most of top defenses right now besides steelers are 4-3? arent the patriots 3-4 starting to fall apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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