palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 He will be one day but right now Carson Palmer is not an Elite QB, Elite QB's atleast get a FG in that final drive. You think Brady, Manning, Mcnabb would have fumbled that ball? He will get there one day but it might be another year or so. Carson has had a few games in his short career that he could have won the game for the Bengals but makes to many big mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshh967 Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 so the 10 td passes and only 2 interceptions on the year werent enough? he makes one mistake after leading a damn near good come back. I would take him over any other qb in the league anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzoo Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 He will be one day but right now Carson Palmer is not an Elite QB, Elite QB's atleast get a FG in that final drive. You think Brady, Manning, Mcnabb would have fumbled that ball? He will get there one day but it might be another year or so. Carson has had a few games in his short career that he could have won the game for the Bengals but makes to many big mistakes.Elite would be a strong word anyway, but his fumble wasn't really his fault.Nothing about Palmer's game tonight spelled doom for the Bengals.The special teams, the penalties, and defense did enough in that regard.Take it easy on Carson, and be prescient enough to realize that the quarterback won't be a problem this season. It's one of their assets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 It wasen't even his freaking fault,jags have a great front 4/7 crap happens but that was no way carsons fault...wait remind me the numbers manning put up agaist the jags? or how many pts did brady put on the chargers and diden't mcnabb get stopped by the cowboys?PS,Carson may have not won but he still had a great game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I'm not bashing Carson, see my name. I love Carson but this was his first real test and he did have a good game. I'm just saying the elite QB's get the ball at the end with a chance to give their team a BIG WIN and most of the time they come thorugh and Carson is yet to do that. The fumble was not all Carson's fault but you have to get the ball out or take the sack, he took way to much time. Do I have to go back to the games last year we had a chance to win and he didn't come thorugh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzoo Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 This was a team loss tonight.This was a turnover/field position/penalty loss tonight.All of those things are to be avoided against a quality opponent in a hostile enviroment.They made the game close because of talent, not because they played good football.Tonight was actually a testament to Carson Palmer, rather than an indictment.I'm not bashing Carson, see my name. I love Carson but this was his first real test and he did have a good game. I'm just saying the elite QB's get the ball at the end with a chance to give their team a BIG WIN and most of the time they come thorugh and Carson is yet to do that. The fumble was not all Carson's fault but you have to get the ball out or take the sack, he took way to much time. Do I have to go back to the games last year we had a chance to win and he didn't come thorugh?Please, go ahead and explain to all of us how a talented, SECOND YEAR quarterback is the bane of this team's existance.I knew this was gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Not every great QB can lead his team to victory every game IE all my refs...And carson has done that for us before /cough ravens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 So Chris Perry gets powned on his blitzing man, allowing his guy to drive straight up the gut into Carson's face, and this is on Carson?Amazing.Perry had a really good game, but the blocking at the end? Not so much good.I would have thought questions about Carson's ability to handle end of game situations melted in Baltimore last year. Guess not.Idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Ok, Sorry guys. The game was not Carson's fault tonight, the fumble was not his fault, everytime we give him the ball at the end and come up short on a stupid TO by Carson its not his fault. I know everyone likes Carson including myslef but lets be truthful about his play. What's the point of posting on here if we are going to sugar coat everything? Ok, The defense played bad all night but they did come up at the end with a big stop and we get the ball back in his hands with good field position and Carson just didn't come through tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Right. It sure looked like Palmer, in addition to stepping up in the pocket to avoid the outside rush, was also responsible for stopping the blitzing linebacker. I am sure a more amazing and accomplished quarterback would have simultaneously been able to block #52 and also get the pass off. Hell, an more accomplished quarterback does not even need teammates, he just puts 11 clones of himself on the field and wins games all by himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Just because he got sacked doesnt mean he had to lose the ball, LOL cmon. I'm not saying it was his fault he got sacked but it is his fault to drop the damn ball. Carson should have taken the sack or through the ball away, hopefully this will help him the next time he has chance to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 He didn't "drop it". Dude knocked the ball out of his hands. Fair play to Jax, their guy made a huge play when they needed it. If Perry doesn't get f**king knocked over and allow his guy to steamroll up the middle, that doesn't happen. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benzoo Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Ok, Sorry guys. The game was not Carson's fault tonight, the fumble was not his fault, everytime we give him the ball at the end and come up short on a stupid TO by Carson its not his fault. I know everyone likes Carson including myslef but lets be truthful about his play. What's the point of posting on here if we are going to sugar coat everything? Ok, The defense played bad all night but they did come up at the end with a big stop and we get the ball back in his hands with good field position and Carson just didn't come through tonight.[/quotePalmer wasn't resposible for Jacksonville's fortuitous feild position all night long. Including a sixty nie yard punt called back because of penalty. A second half opening long kick return that resulted in more points ofr the Jags, an inability to stop Fred Taylor yet again, and false start by a reciever that negated a chance at a big play to Chad Johnson.The guy beat two blockers to get to Palmer on the final drive as he was cocking back to throw a pass.Oh well.What about that sack on the first drive that Palmer could have easily coughed up the ball, but didn't?It's pointless. Some folks like to blame the quarterback ad the officiating for a loss, and there's nothing anyone can do to convince them otherwise, even though the game's more complicated than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Oh ,since it got knocked out of his hands instead of a drop its ok. My bad man, didn't see it got knocked out.Palmer wasn't resposible for Jacksonville's fortuitous feild position all night long. Including a sixty nie yard punt called back because of penalty. A second half opening long kick return that resulted in more points ofr the Jags, an inability to stop Fred Taylor yet again, and false start by a reciever that negated a chance at a big play to Chad Johnson.The guy beat two blockers to get to Palmer on the final drive as he was cocking back to throw a pass.Oh well.What about that sack on the first drive that Palmer could have easily coughed up the ball, but didn't?It's pointless. Some folks like to blame the quarterback ad the officiating for a loss, and there's nothing anyone can do to convince them otherwise, even though the game's more complicated than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Right. It sure looked like Palmer, in addition to stepping up in the pocket to avoid the outside rush, was also responsible for stopping the blitzing linebacker. I am sure a more amazing and accomplished quarterback would have simultaneously been able to block #52 and also get the pass off. Hell, an more accomplished quarterback does not even need teammates, he just puts 11 clones of himself on the field and wins games all by himself.Hey favre did it when he threw to himself Just because he got sacked doesnt mean he had to lose the ball, LOL cmon. I'm not saying it was his fault he got sacked but it is his fault to drop the damn ball. Carson should have taken the sack or through the ball away, hopefully this will help him the next time he has chance to win it.did you not watch it? he even pumped it so it avioded the guys arm the first time he had nothing to do with it the guy just swatted it well it was in carsons hand...he was doing what you say he was suppossed to leading the team down the field with less then 2minutes left but the jags did what their suppossed to do and create a turnover....it it was a interception and was clearly carsons fault I might agree with you.Also how many freaking QB's block for their running back go palmer! you got us 3-4 more yards with your awesome block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmermvp Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Palmer has I believe 1 4th quarter comeback win which was last year at Bal. He has turned it over alot in 4th quarter comeback chances. Last year at Pitt with a pick, at Tenn with a fumble, at N.Y. with a pick, at home vs Pitt with that saftey which wasnt a turnover but may as well of been and now tonight. PERIOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalnation Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 He will be one day but right now Carson Palmer is not an Elite QB, Elite QB's atleast get a FG in that final drive. You think Brady, Manning, Mcnabb would have fumbled that ball? He will get there one day but it might be another year or so. Carson has had a few games in his short career that he could have won the game for the Bengals but makes to many big mistakes.Ummm I think we had field goal range if Shobel would have made the catch. If you're an NFL TE you got to make that catch so before you say it was Carson or the fumble or the fact that the D gave Fumbling Freddy 100 some yards for the first time all year you better realize we lost as a team out there tonight down the line we didnt get it done and that may have cost us home field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Carson had a very good game tonite..no ints.. 108 rating...brought them back to make it a close game....He did hold the ball too long on that last play plain and simple..Is he one of the best QB's in the league now? Of course he is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Palmer is a gift from God I tell you! A GIFT FROM GOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK Bengal Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 thought u had jumped off the bandwagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smith288 Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I deem this thread stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I deem this thread stupid. I deem this post correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 He will be one day but right now Carson Palmer is not an Elite QB, Elite QB's atleast get a FG in that final drive. You think Brady, Manning, Mcnabb would have fumbled that ball? He will get there one day but it might be another year or so. Carson has had a few games in his short career that he could have won the game for the Bengals but makes to many big mistakes.Would McNabb have fumbled the ball? Yup, sure would have. Did you see how he played this week? MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than Carson Palmer. In fact, so far this season, McNabb has lost 3 of his 4 fumbles. Would Brady have fumbled the ball? Well, maybe not, but then again, he's managed to let more games get away from him than Carson Palmer. After all, we have a better record than he does, now don't we? He has just as many fumbles to let a game get away as Palmer too, ONE.Would Manning have fumbled the ball? Maybe not, but he would have thrown an interception (oh wait, he did!) Manning couldn't get a touchdown pass against the same defense. He went 13/28 for only 122 yards. I'll take Palmers 22/33 for 239 and 2 TDs with a fumble over being completly stymied by the defense. How about last year's "elite" QB Daunte Culpepper? Guess I don't need to say any more about him, now do I?Carson Palmer stacks up very well against all the "elite" QBs you mentioned, and in fact, the only QB with a better passer rating than Carson Palmer (with more than 20 attempts) is Ben Roethlisberger, and he's thrown the ball only 60 times so far. I'm betting his rating drops tonight too. The only QB in the league with more touchdown passes than Carson Palmer this season is Brett Favre. (McNabb is tied) Palmer has thrown a whole 2 interceptions this season. Favre has 8, McNabb 3, Peyton Manning 4, Brady 4. Of all QBs to start more than one full game, Carson Palmer has the highest completion percentage in the league, nearly 5% higher than Manning, Brady, and 9% higher than McNabb.So tell me, why does someone call himself "PalmerMVP" yet throw the baby out with the bathwater as soon as he doesn't win a game? Could it be idiocy at it's finest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahanes Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 This thread is gay. Look at Palmer's numbers...I think they qualify as an elite quarterback. Sure he made a mistake last night, but that doesn't diminish the Pro Bowl-like start he's had to this season. If his numbers keep up and the Bengals make the playoffs, he'll be right in the running for MVP. Then would you consider him elite??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well, while elite QB's don't generally fumble in the 4th quarter of games... I think it is fair to say that Brady did, but got a fortunate call against the raiders. Palmer dropped his arm to avoid fumbling against the coming defender... and poor blocking allowed the other defender to knock the ball from his hand.Elite QB's generally win games at the end... but no QB to date has eyes in the back of his head... and even if he did, the helmet would block them. There was nothing he could do given the situation. I'm mad as hell he dropped it... but it wasn't his fault. He was driving this team to victory... and Jacksonville made a hell of a play. What can you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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