PhunkE1 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I've been really impressed with this kids play thus far. He's got great speed and hands and all the off the field problems haven't popped back up as of yet. He's doing better than Chad did his rookie year and that has allot to do with the state of the team itself. I love what TJ brings to the table, but I have a feeling that with Henry's talent it's going to be hard for TJ to fight him off as early as next year. Tell me what you think on the subject Bengaldom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I wouldn't be suprised.He's gonna get a lot of PT this year, especially with the way he's performed when he's been given a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Hey! Weren't we hearing this about K-dub 2 1/2 years ago??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhunkE1 Posted September 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 K-Dub never looked this good his rookie year. Henry is playing smart and making big plays already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 The way i see it, either Henry has to shine like a supernova (he is off to a start!) or TJ has to start dropping balls.Henry is still raw but the talent is there. He runs crisp routes and has moves after the catch. He does not look overly fast but then all of a sudden he has gapped the CB, very deceptive IMHO>TJ runs very precise routes. He makes alot of catches on timing patterns and can take the hits, a real tough guy, but can also make plays deep. TJ plays very smart and has not dropped a ball I've seen since pre-season.Which of these two starts really is a matter of who best compliments CJ. I see Henry as more situational and as part of the overall effort to create a mismatch. TJ's production and sure hands kep him a starter if it were my team. This, to me, is about as good a rpobelm as there is to have. It also tells me that the patience with KW has run pretty thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanzee 5000 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Not the way Housh is playing right now. He's got the confidence of a three years player and he's making plays. 2 big Housh plays have been called back this year bacause of stupid penalties!!I'm liking him more and more every game. Hasn't dropped much either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 With the way TJ is playing, I can't imagine Henry taking many snaps away from him. It is a dilemma though, because ML has been using Perry as the 3rd wr at times. IMO you have to keep Perry on the field as much as possible. This may sound stupid, but Rudi may be the one losing snaps when it is all said and done. Nothing against anyone, but there are just so many skill positions to go around. I guess having too much talent is a good problem to have. Maybe they should just cut all the Tight Ends and run the Red Gun...o.k., the Orange Gun, in honor of the Big Orange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom42 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 With the way TJ is playing, I can't imagine Henry taking many snaps away from him. It is a dilemma though, because ML has been using Perry as the 3rd wr at times. IMO you have to keep Perry on the field as much as possible. This may sound stupid, but Rudi may be the one losing snaps when it is all said and done. Nothing against anyone, but there are just so many skill positions to go around. I guess having too much talent is a good problem to have. Maybe they should just cut all the Tight Ends and run the Red Gun...o.k., the Orange Gun, in honor of the Big Orange!Only if Henry does the same things that TJ does. Run precise routes. Have hands like glue. Run patterns fearlessly over the middle. See and exploit holes in the underneath part of a zone defense. Fight off linebackers and safeties for the ball. Get good yards after the catch. Make the clutch catch on 3rd down. Block like crazy on running plays. If Henry can do all that and still have the speed to burn, then he'll take TJ's job, but not before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 It already seems like we run a majority 3 wide receiver offense, so in the end, can't both be "starters"? I expect both Henry and T.J. to have nearly the same number of balls going their way before too long. T.J.'s strengths fit best in the slot, and Henry's burner ability works on the outside, to free up Chad.I'm sure T.J. will be the starter by definition for a long time, unless he does something to show he should be moved down, but Henry will have as many opportunities to make plays nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StripesNTn Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 TJ will keep the starting role. Runs good routes, has great hands and can take a hit. They will shift him to the slot in 3 wide, so henry will get plenty of snaps opposite chad. Sounds like a great 3 wide set to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Henry will end up taking over for Chad when he leaves in a year or two for bigger $ and ML won't pay. ML won't overpay for any position. "This team is bigger than any one player" is his quote I believe and I think he'll hold true to that and CJ will bow to the great money sucking, egotistical agent he's got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humanzee 5000 Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 didn't work for T.O. There wasn't any contract change and he's out there playin'. I think Chad was watching that closely and knows Marvin and bitin'. He also knows that if we aren't in Detroit this year, we'll be there soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I've been really impressed with this kids play thus far. He's got great speed and hands and all the off the field problems haven't popped back up as of yet.That's primarily because his problems weren't off the field, but on the field. He did things like throw tantrums for not getting the ball, and giving the finger to the fans. We've not seen that side of him yet, I hope we don't... but we also haven't seen him have a success, and then have a bad game. Time will tell if we have really dodged the bullet on this one.Henry will end up taking over for Chad when he leaves in a year or two for bigger $ and ML won't pay. ML won't overpay for any position. "This team is bigger than any one player" is his quote I believe and I think he'll hold true to that and CJ will bow to the great money sucking, egotistical agent he's got.All I can say is that I hope you are wrong about Chad... but all the signs for this do seem to be there. They drafted a WR with maybe the most upside in the draft just after signing Housh to a long-term deal. They are certainly sold on Housh, so why draft a potentially big-time WR to be your 3rd? With Palmer coming around, he is worrying me less and less about needing a top 5 WR to get the job done, so the big money would be of better use elsewhere, rather than to extend Chad another 5 years in his prime.Also, Chad is becoming more and more of a media darling... and isn't exactly in the mold of Hines Ward or Tory Holt who seem to keep themselves pretty grounded. Not to mention that with his agent... his payday is coming, and it wouldn't be a shock if it was with another team.That said, I like Chad a lot, and hope he's willing to stay with the Bengals, but he would get a lot more attention with the Giants being in New York, and having a Manning throwing to him. Since attention seems to be what he craves (along with McDonalds), 85 may not be a Bengal for life. Not to mention that eating McDonalds every day is going to shorten his career anyway... I hope he stays, but I wouldn't be surprized if he left. On the other hand, it might just depend on how successful this team is. If the Bengals stay ESPN's favorite team to talk about, he might just stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 all I know is we have a hell of a 3 WR set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I don't think it matters much if Henry is named a starter. The 3rd wideout is going to get a ton of snaps and plenty of opportunities in this offense. The thing that has impressed me the most about Henry is the wiggle. Size and pure speed are great things to have, but IMHO the thing that seperates Chris Henry from players like Washington, Walter, or even Tab Perry is pure athleticism. He's just as quick as he is fast and he's got plenty of moves he can flash after catching the ball. As far as Washington goes...pun intended...the doubters may have called this one. If it were up to me I'd keep him this year AND next, but I'm just a fan with a silly avatar. It's not my call. But again, I keep K-Dub for the depth he provides and because he won't cost much. (640k?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 HOF, would you uinload KW if you could get a 3rd/4th round pick for him? Seems with Tab and Kwalter we have good depth behiind CJ,TJ and CH.That extra pick may yield another quality lineman or SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 HOF, would you uinload KW if you could get a 3rd/4th round pick for him? Seems with Tab and Kwalter we have good depth behiind CJ,TJ and CH.That extra pick may yield another quality lineman or SS. I know you weren't asking me, but I figured I may as well add my two cents. I don't think we'd ever get a third or fourth round pick for Washington. A 6th or 7th is more likely in my opinion. I still think that would be well worth the trade. Marvin always finds the gems late in drafts, and any potential contributor would likely out produce what Washington has done as of yet. I hope he gets more opportunites, however, to show whether or not dumping him is as good an idea as it sounds to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The_Next_Big_Thing Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 The only person Chris Henry is going to take snaps away from is Jeremy Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 The only person Chris Henry is going to take snaps away from is Jeremy Johnson. No rudeness intended, but how do you figure? I certainly don't expect him to take snaps away from Chad at any point in time, but if he continues to play well, then I could see T.J. losing a small number of snaps to line up in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 All I can say is that I hope you are wrong about Chad... but all the signs for this do seem to be there. They drafted a WR with maybe the most upside in the draft just after signing Housh to a long-term deal. They are certainly sold on Housh, so why draft a potentially big-time WR to be your 3rd?So you think we would of been better off drafting a low upside WR in the 3rd round? If you can get a good #3 WR in the 3rd round for a team that runs a passing offense (3 or 4 WR on the feild not being rare), its a great pick.Chad will be here for a long time, if he keeps playing like he is MB will step up and give him the deal he deserves, hes always been good about doing that. Chad is the best player on our team, and is the face of the team, there is no way they would let him walk unless his demands were way out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't know if he'll start. TJ is being gaurded by the number 2 corner, while Henry normally gets the nickel back. Henry is more of a Chad Johnson type, whereas TJ can cut across the middle and lay some wood when he takes hits. TJ is probably a top 3 #2 reciever in the league, and as long as Henry plays as much as a number 3 as he is right now, i don't see a reason to change the lineup.It be cool if Bratowski would call some drives with a 4 wide-reciever no huddle (i know there haven't really been any 2-minute situations yet), how could you guard all of them. Plus, you could have Perry lineup in a 5 wide set and have a LB on Perry or Walter and walk them into the end zone. Hopefully we'll see some more of this against the Jags or Steeler who have proven run defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Chad will be here for a long time, if he keeps playing like he is MB will step up and give him the deal he deserves, hes always been good about doing that. Chad is the best player on our team, and is the face of the team, there is no way they would let him walk unless his demands were way out there. I kinda wish somebody else had said this, but since they didn't....I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I don't know if he'll start. TJ is being gaurded by the number 2 corner, while Henry normally gets the nickel back. Henry is more of a Chad Johnson type, whereas TJ can cut across the middle and lay some wood when he takes hits. TJ is probably a top 3 #2 reciever in the league, and as long as Henry plays as much as a number 3 as he is right now, i don't see a reason to change the lineup.It be cool if Bratowski would call some drives with a 4 wide-reciever no huddle (i know there haven't really been any 2-minute situations yet), how could you guard all of them. Plus, you could have Perry lineup in a 5 wide set and have a LB on Perry or Walter and walk them into the end zone. Hopefully we'll see some more of this against the Jags or Steeler who have proven run defenses. I think it is those games against the Jaguars, Steelers, and Ravens, that will truly show Perry's value to this offense. Rudi will likely struggle in those games, and while he does, he can have our three receiver sets with Perry in the backfield to open up the defense for Rudi later in the game.I think Henry will shine in these games as well, especially against the Ravens if they are still using the 46 defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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