O-line/Andrews

[Spain]

Hate to burst our bubbles but chicago busted our line up. This is potential disaster. However Koostra did a good job. Im hoping these guys can get to the bye week , Anyone have any news on Willie?

[Jet23]

Hate to burst our bubbles but chicago busted our line up. This is potential disaster. However Koostra did a good job. Im hoping these guys can get to the bye week , Anyone have any news on Willie?

The paper said he had a strained back and was going to have an MRI today, but should be able to go next week. It's interesting that Stacey Andrews did not replace Big Willie. I guess it is fresh in ML's mind what Kearse did to Andrews in the preseason.

[Stripes]

How many real questions are there?

As for the O-line, they've done very well. They struggled to help Rudi in the running game against an excellent and consistent Bears defense. They've only allowed Palmer to be sacked three times in three games if I remember correctly, and that is the most important thing.

Palmer has had time to tear apart opposing secondaries, and that has given him the huge season so far.

[HoosierCat]

It's interesting that Stacey Andrews did not replace Big Willie. I guess it is fresh in ML's mind what Kearse did to Andrews in the preseason.

Andrews wasn't active yesterday.

[gobengals19]

It's interesting that Stacey Andrews did not replace Big Willie. I guess it is fresh in ML's mind what Kearse did to Andrews in the preseason.

Andrews wasn't active yesterday.

Which begs the question, why was he inactive? Especially considering Willie was already hurt going into the game.

[clevelandbengal]

Does anyone know why Stacy Andrews hasn't been active. I thought he is the eventual replacement for Willie. Since he started the preseason you would think they would have more confidence in him than Kooistra

[Stripes]

You can only have so many players active at once (you probably already know that). Andrews is still pretty raw, and on a road game against such a respectable defense, the veteran Kooistra is the safer choice.

[HoosierCat]

Which begs the question, why was he inactive? Especially considering Willie was already hurt going into the game.

Willy has pretty much been hurt going into every game for the past 2 years (it's why he rarely practices anymore). As for why not activate Andrews, because you already have a replacement if needed (Kooistra).

I was more concerned to hear during the game reports that Braham got dinged. Any word on him?

[buck3y3d]

I think Willie will be gone anyway after this season, so this question must be answered sooner than later. I love Willie, but he looks slow and beaten up. He had to hold yesterday and got beat on several occasions. Willie will not be worth the money to keep him.

[bengalfreek]

I think Willie will be gone anyway after this season, so this question must be answered sooner than later. I love Willie, but he looks slow and beaten up. He had to hold yesterday and got beat on several occasions. Willie will not be worth the money to keep him.

Wow, there is just so much wrong with the above post, I don't know where to begin. Willie Anderson is the best RT in the game period. He got beat yesterday because he could barely straighten up due to back spasms. If he was guilty of anything, it was wanting to play too badly. He probably waited too long to tell his coaches that he just couldn't go, but that's a drawback I want all of my star players to have.

[Jet23]

I think Willie will be gone anyway after this season, so this question must be answered sooner than later. I love Willie, but he looks slow and beaten up. He had to hold yesterday and got beat on several occasions. Willie will not be worth the money to keep him.

Wow, there is just so much wrong with the above post, I don't know where to begin. Willie Anderson is the best RT in the game period. He got beat yesterday because he could barely straighten up due to back spasms. If he was guilty of anything, it was wanting to play too badly. He probably waited too long to tell his coaches that he just couldn't go, but that's a drawback I want all of my star players to have.

Amen brother. I knew something was wrong with Big Willie when he held Ogunleye, then allowed him to bull rush him on successive plays. You can't be 75% against that guy. When close to healthy, Big Willie is money and the heart of the team.

[HoosierCat]

There's no question that, when he is healthy, Willie is one of the best in the game. But "when he's healthy" is a big caveat, and he's had trouble staying off the injury report for a while now. No one can question his heart...but it's clear, from their hesitation on extending his deal, that the Bengals are concerned about his ability to stay healthy. We will just have to see how it plays out.

[Bengalbob]

I think Bengals.com reported that they inactivated Big Stacey because they needed more athaletic LBs activated to counter the Bears fast special teams. So, the Bengals sat Stacey in favor of more versatile guys like Kooistra.

[kingwilly]

Ogunleye would have been too much for Andrews. Too risky, thus he was inactive.

I agree about Big Willie being among the best but the staff has a responsibility to protect CP and that means verfiying the diminishing physical health of the big guy on a regular basis.

If Willie goes down for any extended time, his future with the club would be in doubt, IMHO. Age, cost, health and a valuable roster spot would work against him if he were to be out of the line-up for more than a game or two.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

You can only have so many players active at once (you probably already know that). Andrews is still pretty raw, and on a road game against such a respectable defense, the veteran Kooistra is the safer choice.

More importantly, Kooistra is an adequate backup at both guard and tackle, while Andrews is only a tackle.

[Spain]

Hey this was my weekly real ? thread that gives an outside perspictive. You cant merge my thread with another. I have a bunch of idiots I have to make look stupid when i drag this thread up! If you dont like it dont respond. However your going to get it every week.

[Stripes]

Hey this was my weekly real ? thread that gives an outside perspictive. You cant merge my thread with another. I have a bunch of idiots I have to make look stupid when i drag this thread up! If you dont like it dont respond. However your going to get it every week.

Yeah! You tell 'em! Left jab!

[turningpoint]

Hate to burst our bubbles but chicago busted our line up. This is potential disaster. However Koostra did a good job. Im hoping these guys can get to the bye week , Anyone have any news on Willie?

The paper said he had a strained back and was going to have an MRI today, but should be able to go next week. It's interesting that Stacey Andrews did not replace Big Willie. I guess it is fresh in ML's mind what Kearse did to Andrews in the preseason.

Um No Stacey Andrews was inactive.

Ogunleye would have been too much for Andrews. Too risky, thus he was inactive.

I agree about Big Willie being among the best but the staff has a responsibility to protect CP and that means verfiying the diminishing physical health of the big guy on a regular basis.

If Willie goes down for any extended time, his future with the club would be in doubt, IMHO. Age, cost, health and a valuable roster spot would work against him if he were to be out of the line-up for more than a game or two.

LMAO... it's Ipossible to replace a 2x time probowl tackle unless you have a top 10 draft pick.

Man's a rock and wil be around for another 3-4years and retire, and should have a small shot at HOF if we get some superbowl rings around his fingers he should be in canton.

Anyways dude 2 games??? if he went out for the season we'd still keep him the guys a franchise player.

He might be getting old,but he's worth the money and is still a probowl caliber player.

[kingwilly]

Agree completely about the SB and the HOF.

But on the 3-4 more years I think you are wrong and here is why:

Microfracture surgery. His knee is a time-bomb. Maybe next week, maybe week 15...but it will blow up. Woes to his back don't help.

Maybe my "1-2 games" comment is off but his health has to be a MAJOR concern and will factor into how long he plays and not just as a Bengal. Who is gonna pay the bank for a broke down tackle? This is a Richmond Webb situation.

I feel dirty even talking about this... <excuses himself to go wash hands>.

[Spain]

Sorry guys but I THINK willie is on borrowed time. thats why he didnt get that contract. (sad but true)

[buck3y3d]

I think Willie will be gone anyway after this season, so this question must be answered sooner than later. I love Willie, but he looks slow and beaten up. He had to hold yesterday and got beat on several occasions. Willie will not be worth the money to keep him.

Wow, there is just so much wrong with the above post, I don't know where to begin. Willie Anderson is the best RT in the game period. He got beat yesterday because he could barely straighten up due to back spasms. If he was guilty of anything, it was wanting to play too badly. He probably waited too long to tell his coaches that he just couldn't go, but that's a drawback I want all of my star players to have.

Something is wrong with your logic, not my post. The Bengals tendered Willie a contract in the offseason that he said was ridiculously low, and all this comes when they have been grooming Andrews to replace him for sometime. Willie can't practice anymore (last week was the first time in 1 and a half years), and his knees cause him constant suffering. Dave Lapham (another from the o-line) said the condition, from talking with doctors, was a degenerate condition, which means Willie will never be full strength. Therefore, he will never be the best right tackle in the game again, if he ever was (which is a huge leap imho). The Bengals a notoriously tight franchise, will not pay an injured player money to remain a Bengal. In conclusion, whether back or knees, Willie Anderson (my favorite player) will probably not be a Bengal next year, and certainly not for the money he was hoping to recieve.

[Spain]

yeah but can he hold up this year? Is what i want to know!!!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Spain, you may think Willie is on borrowed time, we think you are on heavy drugs. I'm betting Willie sticks around a lot longer than you do.

[TippCityRick]

Like King, I feel dirty even talking about this. But Willie will need to show he's healthy before he's extended here. Frankly, he'll have to show he's healthy before he goes FA at the end of the year.

The surgery he had on his knee hasn't shown great results in other athletes to repair degenerative conditions. The back problems are a symptom of not getting enough bend in the knees and compensating with bending in the back to get his pad level down. Not good for the present or the future.

I love Willie, but he must be 100% to be useful. I'd be willing to bet that Andrews will be dressing on Sunday.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Spain, you may think Willie is on borrowed time, we think you are on heavy drugs. I'm betting Willie sticks around a lot longer than you do.

Not unless he's willing to take a pay cut. As mentioned, the condition he has does not get better. It only gets worse. To my knowledge, no player has had the operation he did and remained effective for any significant length of time. It forced Terrell Davis to retire. He is definitely on borrowed time.

That said, it would be a bummer if he went anywhere else since he stuck with the Bengals during the crappy times. My hope is that he realizes he's damaged and works out a deal with management that pays him if he's healthy, but protects them if he's not. He does mean a lot to this franchise, but I don't see him being able to keep going out there much longer.