Spain Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I went for Kijana myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 i voted smith. while he has been good, he was drafted to be great and he hasnt been since his first year. he dosent look like a bengal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTakeAkili Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I think this is a ridiculous poll. Palmer is emerging as a top tier quarterback. Wilkinson and Smith are starting linemen in the NFL. Warrick had a season of 79/819/7. While Smith, Wilkinson, and Warrick were picked too high, they have been too productive to be considered busts in the Tony Mandarich/Todd Marinovich mold.Ki-Jana Carter always gets labeled as a bust, but how about just calling him an injury-prone guy with bad luck. He had 15 TD in his first two years, averaged almost 5 ypc with the Skins in 2001, and played for 6 seasons at a position that doesn’t have a long expectancy. I like to label Ki-Jana as one of football’s “What-Ifs” instead of “busts.”As for the two QB busts on the lists (and they ARE dandies), I give the bust award to Akili Smith. Klinger had 1935 yards and 6 TDs in 1993. Akili’s best year was 1253 and 3 in 2000. Add to that the sweet ass offer that was passed up (the Saints draft), and Akili is an all-timer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted August 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Because they were included, dont blame the Poster! Some people might want the option! Thats all! Now if they choose it they are french , but thats life . Dude did you watch the kijana as I did! The guy couldnt run in the middle1 Where do you get the 15 TDs. The dude sucked he wasnt mentally tough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I think this is a ridiculous poll. Palmer is emerging as a top tier quarterback. Wilkinson and Smith are starting linemen in the NFL. Warrick had a season of 79/819/7. While Smith, Wilkinson, and Warrick were picked too high, they have been too productive to be considered busts in the Tony Mandarich/Todd Marinovich mold.Ki-Jana Carter always gets labeled as a bust, but how about just calling him an injury-prone guy with bad luck. He had 15 TD in his first two years, averaged almost 5 ypc with the Skins in 2001, and played for 6 seasons at a position that doesn’t have a long expectancy. I like to label Ki-Jana as one of football’s “What-Ifs” instead of “busts.”As for the two QB busts on the lists (and they ARE dandies), I give the bust award to Akili Smith. Klinger had 1935 yards and 6 TDs in 1993. Akili’s best year was 1253 and 3 in 2000. Add to that the sweet ass offer that was passed up (the Saints draft), and Akili is an all-timer. What-If...Bust. what's the difference. If you were taken with the #1 overall pick as a runningback and end your career with a total of 1144 yards... you are a bust... regardless of the reason.And lets not point to that big 4.9 yards per carry in Washington. He carried the ball 63 times that season. I think Rudi did that in one game last year. The point is there have been hundreds and hundreds of great running backs that have come and gone without being drafted in the first round. Terrell Davis was a 7th rounder I think. Ki-Jana Carter was drafted #1 overall in '95, and required a early draft pick of Corey Dillon shorty thereafter. What a waste.Those QB's are definitely busts... for sure, but QB busts happen almost every year. How many RB debacles have happened to the degree of Ki-Jana Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted August 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Derek I thought the samething , but the one that thing that seals it for me is that we tarded up for him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontTakeAkili Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 There is, in my opinion, a huge difference in Bust and What-if. Len Bias, Bo Kimble, and Bo Jackson are what-ifs. Busts are guys who were given chance after chance to succeed and failed. Maybe Ki-Jana falls into both categories, maybe not. What I am saying is that I won't ignorantly slap a tag on an underperformer without looking at causes. Of course, that does take a higher level of thinking, so proceed with caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who? Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Klingler and Carter were bad, but Akili was the worst out of them all. The dude couldn't even make it as a backup in NFL Europe, I thought he was going to be the franchise QB for the Bengals at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 i voted akili. wilkerson wasnt terrible he just didnt live up to where he was selected. carter was the victim of injury, and klinger was killed behind lack of line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDey93285 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I'm going with Akili just because of what NO offered us for our pick. Alot of them were bad, but Akili was pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith would of been a bust as a 5th round pick, dont forget that we didnt only spend the #3 pick on him, but we also passed on New Orleans entire draft to get him. By far its Akili. What did he have, 6 career TDs?Wilkerson is a good player now, Warrick had a few ok years, Justin Smith is not good, but hes not bad, <<< those 3 were all busts based on draft posiition, but not really as players, too early to tell on palmer, and Kijana was because of injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I don't like the selection, but I picked Akili. If anyone picks Palmer, then I may just have to dish out a knuckle sandwich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassBENGAL Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith would of been a bust as a 5th round pick, dont forget that we didnt only spend the #3 pick on him, but we also passed on New Orleans entire draft to get him. By far its Akili. What did he have, 6 career TDs?Wilkerson is a good player now, Warrick had a few ok years, Justin Smith is not good, but hes not bad, <<< those 3 were all busts based on draft posiition, but not really as players, too early to tell on palmer, and Kijana was because of injury. So you say that Wilkerson is good now, but Justin Smith isn't? Get real. And I thought you didnt know anything about RBs. Hell, you don't know anything about D-linemen either! Justin Smith is a good DE. He's not a bust. Hell, he's still only like 25. He'll emerge sooner or later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith would of been a bust as a 5th round pick, dont forget that we didnt only spend the #3 pick on him, but we also passed on New Orleans entire draft to get him. By far its Akili. What did he have, 6 career TDs?Wilkerson is a good player now, Warrick had a few ok years, Justin Smith is not good, but hes not bad, <<< those 3 were all busts based on draft posiition, but not really as players, too early to tell on palmer, and Kijana was because of injury.So you say that Wilkerson is good now, but Justin Smith isn't? Get real. And I thought you didnt know anything about RBs. Hell, you don't know anything about D-linemen either! Justin Smith is a good DE. He's not a bust. Hell, he's still only like 25. He'll emerge sooner or later... Somehow I find myself defending Don'tPushMe. I guess if it's necessary.He said all three of them were busts as related to their draft positions, and I'd say I agree with that assessment. Wilkinson and Smith both ended up good players, but not top 5 draft good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassBENGAL Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith would of been a bust as a 5th round pick, dont forget that we didnt only spend the #3 pick on him, but we also passed on New Orleans entire draft to get him. By far its Akili. What did he have, 6 career TDs?Wilkerson is a good player now, Warrick had a few ok years, Justin Smith is not good, but hes not bad, <<< those 3 were all busts based on draft posiition, but not really as players, too early to tell on palmer, and Kijana was because of injury.So you say that Wilkerson is good now, but Justin Smith isn't? Get real. And I thought you didnt know anything about RBs. Hell, you don't know anything about D-linemen either! Justin Smith is a good DE. He's not a bust. Hell, he's still only like 25. He'll emerge sooner or later... Somehow I find myself defending Don'tPushMe. I guess if it's necessary.He said all three of them were busts as related to their draft positions, and I'd say I agree with that assessment. Wilkinson and Smith both ended up good players, but not top 5 draft good. He had 71 tackles and 8 sacks last season, and he's a D-LINEMAN. He specializes in run stopping. I think that you people think that since he doesnt have 4000 sacks a season, he's a bust. By comparison, the most tackles Jevon Kearse has ever had in a season is 57, and he had just 31 last season. Freeney had only 36. Granted, they both have had 4-5 more sacks in a season than Smith has, but they're good at pass rushing and Smith is good at run coverage. Simple as that. Smith is doin a hell of a good job on this team. He's in no way a bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith would of been a bust as a 5th round pick, dont forget that we didnt only spend the #3 pick on him, but we also passed on New Orleans entire draft to get him. By far its Akili. What did he have, 6 career TDs?Wilkerson is a good player now, Warrick had a few ok years, Justin Smith is not good, but hes not bad, <<< those 3 were all busts based on draft posiition, but not really as players, too early to tell on palmer, and Kijana was because of injury.So you say that Wilkerson is good now, but Justin Smith isn't? Get real. And I thought you didnt know anything about RBs. Hell, you don't know anything about D-linemen either! Justin Smith is a good DE. He's not a bust. Hell, he's still only like 25. He'll emerge sooner or later... Somehow I find myself defending Don'tPushMe. I guess if it's necessary.He said all three of them were busts as related to their draft positions, and I'd say I agree with that assessment. Wilkinson and Smith both ended up good players, but not top 5 draft good. He had 71 tackles and 8 sacks last season, and he's a D-LINEMAN. He specializes in run stopping. I think that you people think that since he doesnt have 4000 sacks a season, he's a bust. By comparison, the most tackles Jevon Kearse has ever had in a season is 57, and he had just 31 last season. Freeney had only 36. Granted, they both have had 4-5 more sacks in a season than Smith has, but they're good at pass rushing and Smith is good at run coverage. Simple as that. Smith is doin a hell of a good job on this team. He's in no way a bust. I know he makes plenty of tackles, but as a D-End, I don't think that's all as important as it may sound. The Bengals drafted him to get a sack machine, something they've lacked for a long time, and he hasn't panned out to those expectations. I said he is a good player, and I'm glad he's on our football team, I just don't think he lived up to his draft position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith. Worst pick ever. And I thought that Dave Klinger was bad... little did I know who the draft picks in the coming years would be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 who ever voted for justin smith and palmer are dumb asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted August 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Ok someone confess who voted for Palmer, I need to know! Im thinking its Who or Pushy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBENGALFAN Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Biggest Bust... How 'bout Corey Dillon. Cuz he "busted" out of town when he couldn't deal with Marvin Lewis' ways. Yeah, he had some Hall of Fame numbers with the Bengals, but they don't mean squat because he didn't stick it out and play out the string with the Bengals. So, #1 bust for me.. CD himself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Akili Smith, at least Klingler played even though he was a bum. And Kijana, got hurt in the pre-season...Akili just couldn't get it and he still hasn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve4192 Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 The biggest bust ever ... OL Freddie Childress.The Bengals second round pick in 1989 didn't even make it out of WILMINGTON. The Bengals cut him before the final preseason game. A few other teams picked him up and worked him out, but nobody ended up signing him and his NFL career was over before it even started.That, my friends, is a complete and total bust.Runner(s) up: 1979 QB Jack Thompson, 1981 WR David Verser, 1982 DE Glenn Collins, and the aforementioned Akili Smith and David Klingler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Can someone explain WHY Palmer is on this poll? I'm sure we're going to have a "How long till Carson is in the Hall of Fame" poll in about 2 months when he is lighting up the AFC north.Biggest Bust in the Mouth has to be Klingler. That guy took so much punishment it was painfull to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Because they were included, dont blame the Poster! Some people might want the option! Thats all! Now if they choose it they are frenchIncluding them in the poll is FRENCH ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I went with Carson Palmer. This year will show you why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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