Trade Partner in Philly for Warrick

[alleycat]

What are the odds (do we even want him) of getting corey simon in return? What will it cost us additionally?

This article is from a Trenton paper (from prosportsdaily.com):

By MARK ECKEL

Staff Writer

BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Terrell Owens' future with the Eagles is in jeopardy. Todd Pinkston's season is over.

So what are the Eagles going to do at wide receiver?

Sources told The Times, the Eagles are looking into what receivers could be available through trade and what it would take to acquire any of those receivers.

The Eagles have ammunition, with at least two extra draft picks next year (both in the fourth round) and some depth on defense.

On that list could be Cincinnati's Peter Warrick, the fourth pick of the 2000 draft, who never quite lived up to that selection in his five years with the Bengals.

Warrick is currently the Bengals' No. 3 wide receiver and has expressed displeasure with the situation. He is in camp with the team, but he is not practicing. According to reports in the Cincinnati newspapers, Warrick was cleared medically to play but the team has not put him on the field.

The Bengals could waive Warrick to save the $2.28 million he is scheduled to earn this season, but they are somewhat concerned that AFC North rival Pittsburgh would sign him.

It may not take much to acquire Warrick, although his agent is none other than Drew Rosenhaus.

Other possibilities on the trade market include Peerless Price, who the Atlanta Falcons may try to move. Price will earn $2 million this year and then $5 million each of the next three years. He has been a disappointment for the Falcons after they traded a first-round pick to Buffalo to acquire him.

Detroit, with a glut of wide receivers, may look to move oft-injured Charles Rogers, but would like a good return for their No. 1 pick in the 2003 draft.

Green Bay, always a willing trade partner for the Eagles, also has depth at the receiver position and needs all over its defense. Robert Ferguson could be attractive to the Eagles, and might cost a draft pick and/or a defensive player.

Finally, Cleveland has been reportedly looking to move Andre Davis, their second-round pick in 2002, who missed nine games last year with injury, but averaged over 20 yards per catch.

For now, at least for Monday night's preseason opener in Pittsburgh, the Eagles will go with Greg Lewis, second-round rookie Reggie Brown, who suffered a groin injury of his own yesterday, and Billy McMullen as their top three receivers.

[mtmeece]

From previous post

Warrick is currently the Bengals' No. 3 wide receiver and has expressed displeasure with the situation. He is in camp with the team, but he is not practicing. According to reports in the Cincinnati newspapers, Warrick was cleared medically to play but the team has not put him on the field.

The depth chart on the Bengals NFL home page does not even have Warrick listed as of today

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Warrick is done. There's no way we would get Simon for Warrick. We'd be lucky to get Darwin Walker or Sam Rayburn for him. It's more likely that we would end up getting someone like Paul Grasmanis.

[Kazkal]

mybe if we can talk em out of a 4th round

[HairOnFire]

If the Eagles are offering a 4th rounder I hope the Bengals consider the deal. Ask for a sweetner if you think you can get it, but regardless of his status this season Warrick is almost certainly gone next year.

[walzav29]

4th rounder seems fair. It's obvious the Bengals aren't going to use him.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Great, now we'll have the most one dimensional, worst run-after-catch Wr's in the league.

A bunch of big possession WR's with no elusiveness and half of which haven't proven a thing in this league.

TJ and CJ will be our only proven commodities with big play ability and to be honest I question whether TJ can give us another year like he did last year in a contract season.

Let me repeat: letting Warrick go just to save some dough to put in Mike Brown pocket for a 4th rounder is ASSININE.

It's about winning THIS YEAR and not being dependent on rookies or looking down the road constantly.

If Warrick's healthy, and can stay that way, there's just no reason not to keep him if you want to increase your playoff chances.

This whole situation just reeks of Mike Brown idiocy unless there's something i'm not aware of.

According Lapham Warrick looks just fine on the field with no limitations at all.

Stupid.

[DontPushMe]

Great, now we'll have the most one dimensional, worst run-after-catch Wr's in the league.

A bunch of big possession WR's with no elusiveness and half of which haven't proven a thing in this league.

TJ and CJ will be our only proven commodities with big play ability and to be honest I question whether TJ can give us another year like he did last year in a contract season.

Let me repeat: letting Warrick go just to save some dough to put in Mike Brown pocket for a 4th rounder is ASSININE.

It's about winning THIS YEAR and not being dependent on rookies or looking down the road constantly.

If Warrick's healthy, and can stay that way, there's just no reason not to keep him if you want to increase your playoff chances.

This whole situation just reeks of Mike Brown idiocy unless there's something i'm not aware of.

According Lapham Warrick looks just fine on the field with no limitations at all.

Stupid.

The problem with people like you is you see warrick running all over the feild and think hes actually accomplishing something, when really hes just moving 30 yards to gain 8. And i'd hardly call Chad Johnson a 'possesion receiver'

[Section 310]

Does anyone (including the Eagles) believe that PW is "healthy"???

Are we to believe that Warrick's knee that has caused him constant

problems since December, 2003 is suddenly 100%??? Warrick will

never be the same guy that helped us beat KC in 2003. That knee

will be a constant issue in the months to come.

Honestly, if we are looking for a return guy who can also play the

role of a 4th receiver, I liked Broussard last preseason. He was

the most exciting guy on the field.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Great, now we'll have the most one dimensional, worst run-after-catch Wr's in the league.

A bunch of big possession WR's with no elusiveness and half of which haven't proven a thing in this league.

TJ and CJ will be our only proven commodities with big play ability and to be honest I question whether TJ can give us another year like he did last year in a contract season.

Let me repeat: letting Warrick go just to save some dough to put in Mike Brown pocket for a 4th rounder is ASSININE.

It's about winning THIS YEAR and not being dependent on rookies or looking down the road constantly.

If Warrick's healthy, and can stay that way, there's just no reason not to keep him if you want to increase your playoff chances.

This whole situation just reeks of Mike Brown idiocy unless there's something i'm not aware of.

According Lapham Warrick looks just fine on the field with no limitations at all.

Stupid.

Kelley Washington, Chris Henry, and even shortstuff Broussard have as much upside as Warrick. TJ is a better route runner than Warrick, and as for Chad Johnson, so he doesn't get a lot of YAC. He's catching the ball 10 yards further downfield than Warrick gets if after running 50 yards east and west and south before heading north after the catch. Plus, the catches he makes that don't have YAC Warrick wouldnt' be able to get to. Chad also worked on his YAC this off-season, and will be better this year.

WARRICK IS A LONG TERM BUST! CYA!

[LABengalsFan09]

The problem with people like you is you see warrick running all over the feild and think hes actually accomplishing something, when really hes just moving 30 yards to gain 8. And i'd hardly call Chad Johnson a 'possesion receiver'

WOW, Push Me?!?!?!

I actually agree with you.....I think I need to go to the doctor now

I ldo ove Warrick though, and I couldn't agree more about what you said about CJ

[Spain]

Id jump on a fourth but it really depends if Walter got rid of his butterfingers!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

The problem with people like you is you see warrick running all over the feild and think hes actually accomplishing something, when really hes just moving 30 yards to gain 8. And i'd hardly call Chad Johnson a 'possesion receiver'

Oh please and Warrick was voted into the Pro Bowl in '03 because he danced around and got nowhere all the time?

Do you remember the kind of season he had going in '03 when he finally had another WR to compliment him and an offense that gave him real opportunities?

I didn't say CJ was a posession WR, but the rest of them certainly are and/or have been, and I question still if TJ can consistently break out of that mold for the long term or provide the ability to create like Warrick can.

Now if Henry can be a big threat fine, but again why count on a rookie at this point when you don't have to and have one of the best #2 WR's in the NFL when healthy? Why is that so hard to comprehend people?

I figured I'd get some smack for my post but I stand by it!

[Columbusbengal]

again why count on a rookie at this point when you don't have to and have one of the best #2 WR's in the NFL when healthy? Why is that so hard to comprehend people?

I agree - this is very easy to comprehend. The problem is, as you said, he is amazing "when healthy" - he just hasn't been very healthy for the last year and a half and many of us suspect that those in the Bengal hierarchy realize he is not going to have a good year ever again because of his knee.

[oldschooler]

I hope they don`t trade Warrick.

But if they are talking to the Eagles

the Bengals have ALL the leverage...

The Eagles NEED a WR...but the Bengals

DON`T HAVE to trade Warrick...

[oldschooler]

Hobson's Choice: Catch-2.2 Million.

8/12/2005 - Are you kidding me? The Peter Warrick situatation has suddenly gone from patiently optimistic to a, "well maybe we don't need him" kind of mindset. I for one have been anxious to see him get back on the field. He said he is in the best shape of his life, his knee has been cleared, and overall he just looks like a new man.

For the first time in his NFL career P-Dub could be catching passes from a true stud of a quarterback in Carson, and could become a vital role player for this offense on third down. He has a great sense for finding holes in zone coverage and getting open and his abilities after the catch are irreplacable. He very well could be the catalist that turns this good offense into a well oiled machine. If he returns to 100% form, I think he's worth the money. He could also add another explosive element to this team by returning punts. Wouldn't you agree?

How do you think the P-Dub situation will unfold? If he refuses a paycut, do they trade him? Are the Bengals absolutely not going to give him his 2.2 mil? If he does stay with the team, how do you see him fitting in with this offense. I would hate to see Warrick go and would appreciate your thoughts on the topic.

--Ronnie, Lexington, KY

RONNIE: Call this the Catch $2.2 Million. You’re right, but “If,” is the operative word in the entire scenario that is worth $2.2 million. That’s a high-end conjunction. At the moment, from all that’s been written, (and this is just an observer’s best guess), it's hard to see them paying him the whole thing.

There is a lot at risk.

If they activate him, and he’s not 100 percent, and he has to sit out again and he goes back on that day-to-day treadmill, then you’re probably out $2.2 million because a.) his people would most likely file a grievance for the money if you cut him to make room for somebody you need. Or, b.) you’d be out the money if you put him on injured reserve, without a draft pick or anything to show for it.

I do think some things have to be played out. You’re talking about the Warrick of 2003, when he was absolutely splendid. How do you know he can do that again for sure? Plus, an inexperienced Palmer did some grand things with T.J. Houshmandzadeh in the slot last season.

And, frankly, I think you have to think long and hard about taking snaps from Chris Henry, a rookie who can be a different kind of playmaker than Warrick, but productive. Now, that’s a violation of a long-held principle that I swear by and that is writing in veteran numbers for a rookie receiver. The transition is too huge for most.

But you still have to give him snaps. The X factor is, of course, Kelley Washington, and if he does anything close to what Houshmandzadeh did last year, then you’ve already got four nice wideouts. You can pay your third receiver $2.2 million, not your fourth or fifth. Where he fits in might be more complicated than where we are now if he’s not the slam-dunk Warrick of 2003.

I agree with you. It’d be hard to say good-bye to Warrick. The people who work with every day insist he’s a special kind of athlete. That’s why I think it could take this week, or maybe next, or whenever the Bengals are convinced they’re covered with Henry and Washington.

And that means other teams, too. The Bengals could get a couple of trade offers for him after the next game or two if clubs don’t like what they have. Obviously, the Bengals wouldn’t trade him in the division.

A marvelous talent. A tough player. Great practice player. A good guy. What he did for this club in the last game of 2003, playing just nine days after arthroscopic knee surgery in a do-or-die game for the playoffs, should never be forgotten.

This is a tough call. If it’s the Warrick of 2003, jackpot. If it’s the Warrick of 2004, Henry sits, Warrick hobbles, and you’re out $2.2 million without even getting a fifth-round pick in return. The Catch-22 for this guy with great hands is you don’t know if he’s worth $2.2 million and, by the time you find out, you’ve lost it.

We don’t need Drew Rosenhaus for this one. We need Joseph Heller

http://www.bengals.com/press/hobsononline....age=0&ho_id=232

[HoosierCat]

But if they are talking to the Eagles

the Bengals have ALL the leverage...

Actually, Warrick has all the leverage.

If the Bengals, who have had more than a year to go over his medical reports with a fine-toothed comb, are reluctant to keep him without a new contract that protects them if he runs on the field and his knee blows up to the size of a pumpkin...which of the other 31 teams is going to rush to take over his $2.2 million contract?

Answer: none. Any of them will want Warrick to redo his deal along the same lines, for their own protection, for the same reasons as the bengals.

And Warrick will just say no.

"Worst" case scenario for Peter, the Bengals cut him and he is free to cut an incentive-laden deal with the team of his choice.

There will be no trade.

[LABengalsFan09]

Actually, Warrick was not voted to the Pro Bowl........ever......

[derekshank]

The problem with people like you is you see warrick running all over the feild and think hes actually accomplishing something, when really hes just moving 30 yards to gain 8. And i'd hardly call Chad Johnson a 'possesion receiver'

You know, that's is so true, and really funny.

In one of the fantasy leagues I'm in, whenever a guy would draft Warrick over the past few years, we would all make fun of them saying something like:

"You know, you don't get points for the yardage he runs sideline to sideline."

Warrick is maybe the most elusive non-productive WR in the history of the NFL.

[bengalskyspy]

When you watch the WR's live, one thing is very clear--- Chad Johnson plays at a completely different level than everyone else. Warrick is one of the guys that also has that other-worldly kind of athleticism. TJ doesnt have it. KW doesnt have it. Henry doesnt have it yet. I would like to seem him back on the field. Maybe they could trade and get something for KW since there are no concerns about his health.