P-Dub back on Wednesday??

[lando griffin]

Well Monday has come and gone, but maybe tomorrow he'll be back???....I hope...please...for the love of God!

GEORGETOWN, Ky. _ Bengals wide receiver Peter Warrick, sidelined since last October, anticipated he would be cleared by a team doctor Tuesday night and sounded like he would be on the field Wednesday morning.

But kicker Shayne Graham (sore groin) probably won't go as the Bengals ponder signing another kicker to kick in Friday's pre-season opener against the two-time Super Bowl champion Patriots at Paul Brown Stadium.

"I'm talking like a man who's ready to step on the field," said the unusually expansive Warrick.

Among other items Warrick discussed after Tuesday afternoon's practice:

# After six years as a Bengal, he still doesn't know what his role is, but he's willing to do whatever coach Marvin Lewis and his staff asks.

# He feels that people have forgotten him and have written him off since his knee injury late in the 2003 season, and that he has something to prove to them and himself.

# He feels he has a better chance going to the Pro Bowl as a punt returner than a receiver as a Bengal.

But it was kickoffs that worried special teams coach Darrin Simmons. He had to adjust drills Tuesday because Graham couldn't particpate as they try to rest him for Friday night.

"We're going to evaluate him (Wednesday) and see where we are in relation to the game," Simmons said. "(Getting another kicker) is an option."

[HoosierCat]

Warrick, schmoorik, I'm far more concerned about Graham. Get well soon, buddy!

[kingwilly]

I hope when he says he's ready...he is actually ready. Our crack medical staff should make sure he is cleared. Probably need a full cat scan, x-rays and MRI of his whole body to be sure.

If he can't get it together by the end of camp, his spot has to go to someone who can contribute. Can he go on the PUP? Is he worth paying to sit around and heal? To me, no.

[membengal]

Is it really this Wednesday? Or the Wednesday after next? Or the Wednesday three years from now?

Look, if he can go, great. This team is uber-dangerous with him. I just hope when he works, if it really is tomorrow, that it means that he is ready to work at every practice and solidfy his role on this team.

[The Big Orange]

I talked to Warrick following a preseason game last year and his answer then was the same as it is now...I'm coming back "soon". This of course was and is true only if viewed in a biblical way...

2000 years ago Jesus said he was coming back soon...which, of course, is true...I just don't know what "soon" means apparently

[Bengals4Me]

The comments sound more "do or die" at this point. I think PDub is going to be suited up this morning and give it his best shot. I'm also willing to put up 20 bucks saying he makes it happen and ends up with some memorable plays this season. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but this is what my tea leaves are saying.

If I'm wrong I guess I'll have to unplug that Reader/Advisor neon sign that's hanging in my window.

[Columbusbengal]

Dave Lapham said Warrick was probably on the decline during the second regular season game last year. I trust him to have inside information on something like that. He claimed Warrick's injury was "degenerative" so I quit counting on him at that point. I think the Bengals must know something, too, or they wouldn't have resigned TJ.

[DesperateDerelict]

If P-Dub is cut, Mikey Brown saves 2.2M non-guaranteed dollars in 2005 . . . I believe Marvin will do what's best for the team, but he may consider using that money for OL extensions (and to pay Pollack). So cutting a potentially productive but suspect Warrick might be what is, long-term, best for his team.

[ArmyBengal]

It sounds like P-Dub is "saying" the right things about coming back, being a team player, and he's all about winning... I found it interesting though, he said he was about the team after saying some of the other guys weren't. I also found it interesting how he made the comment about how there are no plays designed just for him.

Bottomline for me, is a "healthy" P-Dub is great, but as ML stated, he wants to see him on the field consistently, not just a couple of days, then needing a break. P-Dub on the field practicing day after day is the only way he doesn't get cut. He's going to have to prove he can be out there every day without breaking again before they pay him the 2.2mil he's due this year.

WHODEY !!!

[bengal4life]

P-Dub did not dress for Wednesday mornings practice.

Go figure, I say cut him

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

He's close.... close to retirement!

[derekshank]

P-Dub did not dress for Wednesday mornings practice.

Go figure, I say cut him

A few weeks ago I would have been angry at such a comment. A few weeks ago I wanted Warrick to beat out Housh, and we could cut Washington.

Now after more wrong date predictions about a return than a Jehovah's Witness, I see the end.

It would be one thing if he went out there for a day, and couldn't go the next day because of swelling or soreness. That would still show he wasn't nearly ready to play in a game (seeing how if you can't practive most of the week on a bad leg, you probably can't play an NFL game on it)... but he can't even get in there for one practice.

I think it's over P-Dub... and sadly, I think releasing you is the best chance of not helping another team. Many of our other receivers could go join the Steelers or Ravens (or especially the Eagles) and make an impact there immediately, hurting us. It's hard to make an impact though when you can't practice.

You'll be missed. I always wanted you to succeed, but at this point it looks like if that ever happens, it won't be in stripes. See ya later bro. I think the end has come.

[rizzy]

per bengals.com

Now you can count Peter Warrick along with everyone else who is confused about his status.

The Bengals wide receiver told some media members Wednesday that he thought he had been cleared the night before in a physical and that he was ready to practice in the morning. But after Warrick sat out, head coach Marvin Lewis said in a post-practice news conference that the final decision rests with himself and Bengals president Mike Brown.

If they don't want to play him and take the chance on paying him the 2.2 mil then they need to cut him now then just have him sitting there doing nothing.

[Kirkendall]

I found it interesting that Marvin threw it off to Mike Brown which means something is happening in the background, along with Lenny P's piece over at ESPN.com.

[kingwilly]

The fact that Lewis said the final decision is Mike Brown's is majorly F-d.

“We still get to determine where he’s at,” Lewis said. “Coach Lewis, Mike Brown. “(The trainers) don’t make decisions. They tell us where they think he is one way or the other. Mike has the final decision. We’ll wait until we feel good when the time is right based on where we feel he is. He’s not cleared.”

I do not like that at all. Since when does Mike brown know SHAT about injuries and how ready a player is......Sure, it is his club, his millions of $'s but, god in heaven, is he the root of all decisions in the building??????

"Uh, Mr. Brown?"....

"Yes, Carson?"

"Uh, I really have to go...number two..."

"Again?" sighs, "Ok, but hurry up...and don't use too much toilet paper, that stuff does not grow on trees you know..."

"Ok, yes sir..."

[bengalboomer7]

I think they are really looking into the cap implications of having him there or not. This isn't about Warrick's knee anymore, this is about the salary cap and the implications of his 2.2 million dollar salary and I now look for the Bengals to gauge Warricks interest in takinga pay cut. If he doesn't I wouldn't be suprised if we leave him on the PUP list until the final cut down day.

It would probably be in his best interest to take the cut, perform on the field and try to get a big payday enetring free agency next year.

[derekshank]

The fact that Lewis said the final decision is Mike Brown's is majorly F-d.

“We still get to determine where he’s at,” Lewis said. “Coach Lewis, Mike Brown. “(The trainers) don’t make decisions. They tell us where they think he is one way or the other. Mike has the final decision. We’ll wait until we feel good when the time is right based on where we feel he is. He’s not cleared.”

I do not like that at all. Since when does Mike brown know SHAT about injuries and how ready a player is......Sure, it is his club, his millions of $'s but, god in heaven, is he the root of all decisions in the building??????

"Uh, Mr. Brown?"....

"Yes, Carson?"

"Uh, I really have to go...number two..."

"Again?" sighs, "Ok, but hurry up...and don't use too much toilet paper, that stuff does not grow on trees you know..."

"Ok, yes sir..."

It's totally up to Mike, because he is the one that has to pay out the 2.2mil if they activate Warrick. If there is so much as a hint of a question mark around his knee, he will not, nay, should not be activated. Way too much risk, way too much money, way too much of a cap hit for a position that we are the deepest at.

I posted this article elsewhere on this board, but at least this proves Pasquarelli agrees that at 2.2mil, it might not be worth the risk.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2130403

[HoosierCat]

The fact that Lewis said the final decision is Mike Brown's is majorly F-d.

“We still get to determine where he’s at,” Lewis said. “Coach Lewis, Mike Brown. “(The trainers) don’t make decisions. They tell us where they think he is one way or the other. Mike has the final decision. We’ll wait until we feel good when the time is right based on where we feel he is. He’s not cleared.”

I do not like that at all. Since when does Mike brown know SHAT about injuries and how ready a player is......Sure, it is his club, his millions of $'s but, god in heaven, is he the root of all decisions in the building??????

"Uh, Mr. Brown?"....

"Yes, Carson?"

"Uh, I really have to go...number two..."

"Again?" sighs, "Ok, but hurry up...and don't use too much toilet paper, that stuff does not grow on trees you know..."

"Ok, yes sir..."

Dead on. Warrick looks like he's getting shafted.

Derek: I agree about the risk. But they need to either s**t or get off the pot. If Warrick is healthy, and he seems to think he is, then either activate him and get him in sync with the O, or let him seek his fortune elsewhere.

[derekshank]

The fact that Lewis said the final decision is Mike Brown's is majorly F-d.

“We still get to determine where he’s at,” Lewis said. “Coach Lewis, Mike Brown. “(The trainers) don’t make decisions. They tell us where they think he is one way or the other. Mike has the final decision. We’ll wait until we feel good when the time is right based on where we feel he is. He’s not cleared.”

I do not like that at all. Since when does Mike brown know SHAT about injuries and how ready a player is......Sure, it is his club, his millions of $'s but, god in heaven, is he the root of all decisions in the building??????

"Uh, Mr. Brown?"....

"Yes, Carson?"

"Uh, I really have to go...number two..."

"Again?" sighs, "Ok, but hurry up...and don't use too much toilet paper, that stuff does not grow on trees you know..."

"Ok, yes sir..."

Dead on. Warrick looks like he's getting shafted.

Derek: I agree about the risk. But they need to either s**t or get off the pot. If Warrick is healthy, and he seems to think he is, then either activate him and get him in sync with the O, or let him seek his fortune elsewhere.

Maybe Warrick is getting the shaft. But since when is an NFL team in the business of looking out for a player they may or may not need?

If they can get something for him in a trade, they want to be sure he is not damaged goods so that they can get value for him. They don't want to cut him if he is going to be healthy, and then have him hurt us by getting signed by a division foe like the Steelers.

However, you don't want to take that cap hit if he's not going to be healthy, so it's on with the waiting game. If Warrick is willing to take a pay cut, then I'm sure that's what they'll do, but that is just speculation at this point.

The Bengals want to win, with or without Warrick. Maybe it's a little hard-hearted when you think of it from Warrick's point of view... but we've been talking about the contract portion of football the last few days, and everyone agrees it's a business.

If the Bengals can profit one way or another by taking a wait and see approach on Warrick, that is what they should do. Warrick getting the shaft is immaterial. The Bengals are trying to win.

[HoosierCat]

The Bengals are trying to win.

Really? Our answer to one of the leagues poorest run defenses was shuffling the (same ineffective) line and getting the mighty Bryan Robinson. Our first-round pick has been lowballed and is still holding out, despite beiing slotted. Now Warrick is being held out of practice, even tho he's says he's heathy, over money concerns.

A trade? Baloney. If anything, this move waves a big flag that says "this guy will be cut soon" to the rest of the league.

But hey, maybe if they cut Peter and get that $2.2m back Mikey will relent and agree to guarantee a couple hundred k more (not give him more, just guarantee more of what he's already agreed too give) of Pollack's deal to get him into camp.

[derekshank]

The Bengals are trying to win.

Really? Our answer to one of the leagues poorest run defenses was shuffling the (same ineffective) line and getting the mighty Bryan Robinson. Our first-round pick has been lowballed and is still holding out, despite being slotted. Now Warrick is being held out of practice, even tho he's says he's heathy, over money concerns.

Well Joisey, If you really don't feel that the Bengals are trying to win, then you have to ask yourself if you're priorities need to be seriously reevaluated.

If you spend enough time in here to post close to 4000 times, discussing any variety of meaningless things this offseason waiting for the season to start, all for a team that you don't really even believe is trying, then it seems to me that you're hours exposed on your computer have rendered you unable to deterimine what a proper use of your time would be.

Not to mention that the only problem you seem to have with my previous post is that I on the other hand do believe that the Bengals are trying to win, and don't feel that Mike Brown's highest priority should be watching our for Peter Warrick's well-being.

There is a cap in the NFL, and player like Bryan Robinson fit under it, and some of us happen to believe that he will do just fine. There is also no hard evidence that Pollack has been low-balled to the point of insult as you seem to believe.

So is Mike Brown cheap? I don't know him. But I do believe he doesn't want to overpay anyone, whether it be Corey Simon or David Pollack. If that is your reasoning to believe that he doesn't care about winning, then maybe the Yankees are the sports franchise for you.

[HoosierCat]

Well Joisey, If you really don't feel that the Bengals are trying to win, then you have to ask yourself if you're priorities need to be seriously reevaluated.

As I've said many, many times before, I call 'em as I see 'em. When they take the steps they need to win, I praise the bengals; when they do things that hamper the development of the team, I bust on them. I've taken them to task for failing to upgrade the D enough many times this offseason. When they lowball Pollack, like they have done with draft picks and free agents many, many times, I'm not going to let them pass there, either. And when decisions about whether Warrick should come back on the field are based not on his health but on whether Mikey might have to pay an injury settlement if he isn't...well, all I can say is that if you think that indicates a comittment to winning, you and I have different definitions of the word "win."

[The Big Orange]

As I've said many, many times before, I call 'em as I see 'em.

Not me, Joisey...I call 'em as Ghandi sees 'em...

sorry 'bout that...I tease because I care

[richmond_mat]

So is Mike Brown cheap? I don't know him.

Yes, Mike Brown is cheap. I don't have to know him to know that.

Cap, yada yada yada.......HE IS CHEAP and not very smart about how to run a football franchise (if you look at anything but the company's bottem line). :player:

[derekshank]

Well Joisey, If you really don't feel that the Bengals are trying to win, then you have to ask yourself if you're priorities need to be seriously reevaluated.

As I've said many, many times before, I call 'em as I see 'em. When they take the steps they need to win, I praise the bengals; when they do things that hamper the development of the team, I bust on them. I've taken them to task for failing to upgrade the D enough many times this offseason. When they lowball Pollack, like they have done with draft picks and free agents many, many times, I'm not going to let them pass there, either. And when decisions about whether Warrick should come back on the field are based not on his health but on whether Mikey might have to pay an injury settlement if he isn't...well, all I can say is that if you think that indicates a comittment to winning, you and I have different definitions of the word "win."

I find it interesting that Mike Brown continues to get the blame as if the reason the Bengals lose is because he refuses to pay for talent. The reason we had a decade of losing is because Mike Brown is a business man... he doesn't know football, so bad draft picks, bad coaching, and poor personel decisions will do that. He needed a GM, and was too arogant to admit it. So that is where I will fault Mike Brown.

However... everyone, including the Eagles agree that Corey Simon was asking for far too much money. So who was the answer that you would have been happy about at DT infree agency?

Was it Warren Sapp last year? The Raiders overpaid for him and their rushing defense was really something last year, huh?... giving up only 50 fewer yards than we did.

There was a large variety of aging DT's with somewhat decent talent available this year. We got Robinson. Dallas got Ferguson, the Vikings got Pat Williams, They are all aging... but every one of them would most likely have received scorn from you, complaining about how they aren't the answer to our run defense problems. If Robinson can't fix our problems, I want to know who can (and remember there is still a cap).

I also find it interesting that the Bengals get blamed for a players hold-out when Pollack and Perry both hired agents who are infamous for hold-outs. Also, when the Steelers or Eagles or Patriots do this, it's because they are all about creating a selfless environment of winning. But when the Bengals are hard-line, they are stubborn, and ignorant, and cheap.

I'm just sick of it. The Bengals have been in the cellar for a long time, and deservedly so, but it has never been because Mike Brown doesn't care about winning. It is football incompetence. Something that Marvin Lewis has fixed around here, but some people aren't happy unless their bitching about something the Brown family is doing.