Do you think cliff russell and kevin walter......

[cincyhokie]

Is Broussard still a Bengal??

The Bengals resigned Broussard to the roster last year after he was cut by the Jags I think

I do know that he is on the team again

[Irish Bengal]

Ok lets discuss special teams.

Return yardage:

Russell: 39-872    22.4 ypc      13 games last year

Walter:  0-0                            2 seasons

Tackles:

Russell:   1 tlk

Walter:    17 tlk    2 seasons

I'd have to choose Russell, Kick returners are definitely more important and harder to find.

It's not like Cliff Russell is Dante Hall, his average of 22.4 yards is 19th in the NFL and his long was only 40 yds. Easily Replaceable.

The same goes for Walter. I'd still rather have a guy who can score TDs. (Washington 7 in two seasons)

[WhoDey]

In my opinion the 6 Wrs to stick will be...

Chad

TJ

Henry

Walter-

Warrick

Washington or Perry

I say Walter makes it. He is a monster on specials, made a few key catches/plays, he has been having a spectacular offseason (I was able to make it to mini camp in May and was very impressed myself). Warrick on the other hand knocked over several cones in drills- he will never be what he used to be. Washington has been a disapointment, he does not play special teams, and he has made it clear he wants out. Perry could always be put on the PS.

[CantStop85]

Kdub is still in learning mode this is his make or break year.

This is why I think Kelley Washington isn't going anywhere.

[WhoDey]

Kdub is still in learning mode this is his make or break year.

This is why I think Kelley Washington isn't going anywhere.

This is K Walter's 3rd year as well...I see him having a breakout year before k-dub. K-dubz is just bitter about being a #4 or 5 receiver.

[7/11]

In my opinion the 6 Wrs to stick will be...

Chad

TJ

Henry

Walter-

Warrick

Washington or Perry

I say Walter makes it. He is a monster on specials, made a few key catches/plays, he has been having a spectacular offseason (I was able to make it to mini camp in May and was very impressed myself). Warrick on the other hand knocked over several cones in drills- he will never be what he used to be. Washington has been a disapointment, he does not play special teams, and he has made it clear he wants out. Perry could always be put on the PS.

perry will get plucked real quick if he's on the practice squad. i think marvin realizes this and perry will make the team, undoubtedly.

i don't know how any of the recievers are doin this off-season, except for what ole' hobson has to say, which ain't much.

i do know this though: lewis hates bad attitudes more than he loves talent, and he appreciates the value of good special teamers...marvin sent corey and takeo packing...they were both more valuble than kelley washington by far. he won't hesitate to ship him out if kelley is seriously lackin' desire. depends on what the squirrel's attitude is like that will determine whether he makes it or not. if he shows any signs that he doesn't wanna be here, peace OUT.

but he does have skills, and if he shows that he is willing to grow the f*ck up, he could make the team.

if warrick's healthy, he stays along with chad, tj, henry, perry and walter. if we have those top 4- cj,tj,pw,ch, then kelley becomes easily disposable at the expense of tab and kevin.

[HairOnFire]

This is K Walter's 3rd year as well...I see him having a breakout year before k-dub.

I wonder what a breakout season for Kevin Walter would actually be. One TD or two?

[lando griffin]

Everyone can say KW has more upside to Walter but the fact is, he won't have that many chances to shine this season with the flock of good recievers we have. So if he won't have that many chances to be a receiver with balls thrown to him then you keep Walter because he can do special teams too...and honestly, I think everyone only sees that he's white so they assume he's not that great of a receiver, but I felt he held his own when he was the fourth receiver. One more thing, even though I don't think it would happen, how cool would it be if they could find a spot for Broussard? Damn cool...

[lando griffin]

P.S. We don't care what a breakout season from Walter would look like because we don't need it from him. We need a solid special teamer who will let us forget the atrocious special teams play of the Bengals of the past, someone who will help get rid of the nausea that we're accustomed to feeling on every punt/kickoff. C'mon boys, think like Marvin, not like fantasy football fans.

[HairOnFire]

P.S. We don't care what a breakout season from Walter would look like because we don't need it from him.

Maybe you Walterboyz would be best served if you'd stop pimping him as a receiver altogether.

We all know if he makes the team he'll do so as a special teamer. If he doesn't, he'll be cast off because of his lack of skills as a wideout.

So maybe we should start thinking about him we do Brad St.Louis and the TE position.

[WhoDey]

This is K Walter's 3rd year as well...I see him having a breakout year before k-dub.

I wonder what a breakout season for Kevin Walter would actually be. One TD or two?

Well, It is obvious from various posts that you have something against Walter...I was just wondering why exactly you think he isn't capable of being a top receiver? The guy has heart, he's a hard ass worker, he runs great routes, he catches everything that is thrown to him, and he's pretty quick. Too me that makes a good player with some decent potential. Is it the white boy factor that is throwing you off hair?

[BlainThePain]

I'd like to see them trade Washington for anything, cut Walters and Russell, and keep Broussard. Broussard and Perry could make for an exciting thunder and lightning return duo. In all reality, its going to come down to camp, and if Washington can show he has improved, then its going to be CJ, Houshmandzada, Warrick, Washington, Henry, and Perry. If Washington flops, then I'd say Walters nabs his spot on final roster.

[WhoDey]

P.S.  We don't care what a breakout season from Walter would look like because we don't need it from him.

Maybe you Walterboyz would be best served if you'd stop pimping him as a receiver altogether.

We all know if he makes the team he'll do so as a special teamer. If he doesn't, he'll be cast off because of his lack of skills as a wideout.

So maybe we should start thinking about him we do Brad St.Louis and the TE position.

Maybe we should start to think of you as Brad St. Luis!!!! You make all these comments about Walter and all us 'Walterboyz'...yet you base your ignorant opinions on NOTHING. What has Kevin Walter done to show a 'lack of skills', I'd say about as much wideout skills as K Wash has shown (and in case you are a little slow that answer is once again NOTHING!). Unless like I said once before you are keying in on the fact that K Walter is the only white boy in a black mans slot!!!! And that's just ignorant.

[Irish Bengal]

This is K Walter's 3rd year as well...I see him having a breakout year before k-dub.

I wonder what a breakout season for Kevin Walter would actually be. One TD or two?

Well, It is obvious from various posts that you have something against Walter...I was just wondering why exactly you think he isn't capable of being a top receiver? The guy has heart, he's a hard ass worker, he runs great routes, he catches everything that is thrown to him, and he's pretty quick. Too me that makes a good player with some decent potential. Is it the white boy factor that is throwing you off hair?

Are you Walter's agent ? I was just wondering since you sound just like one.

The way you make Walters sound he should be starting ahead of guys like TJ,Pub, and Chad.

Once again:

Washington : 53- 677 - 7

Walters : 11- 85 - 0

There are plenty of good backup LB's on the roster that can make 17 tackles in two years on special teams. I would venture to say that if so many player had not gotten hurt last year, Walters would not even be here this year to drule all over.

Oh and by the way I didn't even know he was white and could care less!

Their all Black and Orange on my team !!!

[WhoDey]

This is K Walter's 3rd year as well...I see him having a breakout year before k-dub.

I wonder what a breakout season for Kevin Walter would actually be. One TD or two?

Well, It is obvious from various posts that you have something against Walter...I was just wondering why exactly you think he isn't capable of being a top receiver? The guy has heart, he's a hard ass worker, he runs great routes, he catches everything that is thrown to him, and he's pretty quick. Too me that makes a good player with some decent potential. Is it the white boy factor that is throwing you off hair?

Are you Walter's agent ? I was just wondering since you sound just like one.

The way you make Walters sound he should be starting ahead of guys like TJ,Pub, and Chad.

Once again:

Washington : 53- 677 - 7

Walters : 11- 85 - 0

There are plenty of good backup LB's on the roster that can make 17 tackles in two years on special teams. I would venture to say that if so many player had not gotten hurt last year, Walters would not even be here this year to drule all over.

Oh and by the way I didn't even know he was white and could care less!

Their all Black and Orange on my team !!!

I do not think kevin Walter should be starting over chad or tj...however at this point I would start him over pdub!!!! I saw them both at mini camp- Walter looked impressive, pdub look scary. The guy can barley run, and yall have him starting week 1. I simply see potential in a player and want to see what he can do before wtiting him off.

[andybren]

I have heard nothing about any plans to replace Chad Johnson with Chris Henry in a few seasons. That honestly sounds ludicrous. The ony knock on Chad is his overconfidence and difficulty to coach (which isn't even true). Chris Henry hasn't even set foot on the field during gametime and draft people have labeled him with the same problems. I think the 6 WRs will be Johnson, Houshmanzadeh, Warrick, Henry, Washington, and Perry, in that order.

The only knock on Chad Johnson (if it is one) is that his performance this year will set the stage for a hold-out next off-season. It's to Marvin's credit that they're already preparing for the possibility of losing their #1 receiver, and since a deeper WR corps puts the team in a stronger bargaining position, the success of Henry actually increases the chances of keeping CJ in stripes and on the field.

As for the other WR's, I think the only way KDub keeps his job is if PDub doesn't keep his. I don't think Marvin uses his #5 or #6 spot on a guy that's as underwelming as the Squirrel. It's Moneyball for the NFL --- you develop cheap talent with your 2nd and 3rd teams (i.e. WR's 4-6). If you send KDub "down to the minors" this year he takes a roster spot away from somebody who may actually start someday. Or play special teams today.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

If you send KDub "down to the minors" this year he takes a roster spot away from somebody who may actually start someday. Or play special teams today.

True, but an injury will happen to someone.

It's the kind of depth you need to get into the playoffs.

What if Henry gets injured? Warrick has trouble with his knee? TJ goes down for the long haul again? CJ gets hurt? In a spread O having 5 capable WR's is not a bad thing and I don't think you can reserve a spot at the cost of Washington when Henry will get his snaps any ways and come along slowly as he should.

[andybren]

If you send KDub "down to the minors" this year he takes a roster spot away from somebody who may actually start someday. Or play special teams today.

True, but an injury will happen to someone.

An injury happened last year (PDub), and just how did having KDub on the roster make any difference? Did he really do anything that Russell, Walter or Broussard couldn't do? KDub was given an opportunity and he didn't capitalize on it. There is no reason to think he would capitalize on it in the future. Might as well give somebody else a chance.

And BTW, if we have two or more WR injuries this year (theoretically making Henry and KDub starters), Marvin and company will be re-writing the playbook heavily. They won't be counting on 2nd/3rd string WR's to get them to the playoffs.

[Kazkal]

In my opinion the 6 Wrs to stick will be...

Chad

TJ

Henry

Walter-

Warrick

Washington or Perry

I say Walter makes it.  He is a monster on specials, made a few key catches/plays, he has been having a spectacular offseason (I was able to make it to mini camp in May and was very impressed myself).  Warrick on the other hand knocked over several cones in drills- he will never be what he used to be.  Washington has been a disapointment, he does not play special teams, and he has made it clear he wants out.  Perry could always be put on the PS.

perry will get plucked real quick if he's on the practice squad. i think marvin realizes this and perry will make the team, undoubtedly.

i don't know how any of the recievers are doin this off-season, except for what ole' hobson has to say, which ain't much.

i do know this though: lewis hates bad attitudes more than he loves talent, and he appreciates the value of good special teamers...marvin sent corey and takeo packing...they were both more valuble than kelley washington by far. he won't hesitate to ship him out if kelley is seriously lackin' desire. depends on what the squirrel's attitude is like that will determine whether he makes it or not. if he shows any signs that he doesn't wanna be here, peace OUT.

but he does have skills, and if he shows that he is willing to grow the f*ck up, he could make the team.

if warrick's healthy, he stays along with chad, tj, henry, perry and walter. if we have those top 4- cj,tj,pw,ch, then kelley becomes easily disposable at the expense of tab and kevin.

diden't we try and keep takeo? but he diden't want to stay? so thats not really us sending him a packing

[Kazkal]

Everyone can say KW has more upside to Walter but the fact is, he won't have that many chances to shine this season with the flock of good recievers we have.  So if he won't have that many chances to be a receiver with balls thrown to him then you keep Walter because he can do special teams too...and honestly, I think everyone only sees that he's white so they assume he's not that great of a receiver, but I felt he held his own when he was the fourth receiver.  One more thing, even though I don't think it would happen, how cool would it be if they could find a spot for Broussard? Damn cool...

that or everyone sees he's white and wants to keep him because of that =P

PS,what did KW do last year? well he was almost 400yards with 12.2 avg and 3td's (4th on the team) (chad-TJ/schobel then Kdub) So when carson starts throwing for 3000+ yards and 30+ td's he's gonna need as many weapons as possible I do think this will be a make or break season for squirrel boy

[membengal]

P.S.  We don't care what a breakout season from Walter would look like because we don't need it from him.

Maybe you Walterboyz would be best served if you'd stop pimping him as a receiver altogether.

We all know if he makes the team he'll do so as a special teamer. If he doesn't, he'll be cast off because of his lack of skills as a wideout.

So maybe we should start thinking about him we do Brad St.Louis and the TE position.

Maybe we should start to think of you as Brad St. Luis!!!! You make all these comments about Walter and all us 'Walterboyz'...yet you base your ignorant opinions on NOTHING. What has Kevin Walter done to show a 'lack of skills', I'd say about as much wideout skills as K Wash has shown (and in case you are a little slow that answer is once again NOTHING!). Unless like I said once before you are keying in on the fact that K Walter is the only white boy in a black mans slot!!!! And that's just ignorant.

Easy, easy Whodey. I like Walters to make this team almost as much as you do, but hair says "Walterboys" because I tongue-in-cheek hung that name on those of us who were vociferously defending Walters' spot on the roster when this first came up. Hair has a memory for conversations previously had.

I still think Walters makes this roster, and posesses receiving skillz above that which Irish and Hair acknowledge. Then again, they quite rightfully point out that those sklls have remained pretty hidden while Washington has gotten the actual receiving work the past few years and that one open practice without pads in June doesn't mean a whole lot by itself.

We shall see starting Friday.

[WhoDey]

P.S.  We don't care what a breakout season from Walter would look like because we don't need it from him.

Maybe you Walterboyz would be best served if you'd stop pimping him as a receiver altogether.

We all know if he makes the team he'll do so as a special teamer. If he doesn't, he'll be cast off because of his lack of skills as a wideout.

So maybe we should start thinking about him we do Brad St.Louis and the TE position.

Maybe we should start to think of you as Brad St. Luis!!!! You make all these comments about Walter and all us 'Walterboyz'...yet you base your ignorant opinions on NOTHING. What has Kevin Walter done to show a 'lack of skills', I'd say about as much wideout skills as K Wash has shown (and in case you are a little slow that answer is once again NOTHING!). Unless like I said once before you are keying in on the fact that K Walter is the only white boy in a black mans slot!!!! And that's just ignorant.

Easy, easy Whodey. I like Walters to make this team almost as much as you do, but hair says "Walterboys" because I tongue-in-cheek hung that name on those of us who were vociferously defending Walters' spot on the roster when this first came up. Hair has a memory for conversations previously had.

I still think Walters makes this roster, and posesses receiving skillz above that which Irish and Hair acknowledge. Then again, they quite rightfully point out that those sklls have remained pretty hidden while Washington has gotten the actual receiving work the past few years and that one open practice without pads in June doesn't mean a whole lot by itself.

We shall see starting Friday.

Well said

[7/11]

In my opinion the 6 Wrs to stick will be...

Chad

TJ

Henry

Walter-

Warrick

Washington or Perry

I say Walter makes it.  He is a monster on specials, made a few key catches/plays, he has been having a spectacular offseason (I was able to make it to mini camp in May and was very impressed myself).  Warrick on the other hand knocked over several cones in drills- he will never be what he used to be.  Washington has been a disapointment, he does not play special teams, and he has made it clear he wants out.  Perry could always be put on the PS.

perry will get plucked real quick if he's on the practice squad. i think marvin realizes this and perry will make the team, undoubtedly.

i don't know how any of the recievers are doin this off-season, except for what ole' hobson has to say, which ain't much.

i do know this though: lewis hates bad attitudes more than he loves talent, and he appreciates the value of good special teamers...marvin sent corey and takeo packing...they were both more valuble than kelley washington by far. he won't hesitate to ship him out if kelley is seriously lackin' desire. depends on what the squirrel's attitude is like that will determine whether he makes it or not. if he shows any signs that he doesn't wanna be here, peace OUT.

but he does have skills, and if he shows that he is willing to grow the f*ck up, he could make the team.

if warrick's healthy, he stays along with chad, tj, henry, perry and walter. if we have those top 4- cj,tj,pw,ch, then kelley becomes easily disposable at the expense of tab and kevin.

diden't we try and keep takeo? but he diden't want to stay? so thats not really us sending him a packing

as far as i remember, lewis tried to talk to takeo and realized he didn't want to be here, so he let him go.

[CantStop85]

An injury happened last year (PDub), and just how did having KDub on the roster make any difference? Did he really do anything that Russell, Walter or Broussard couldn't do?

Yeah, he did. He caught 31 receptions for 378 yards and 3 TD's. I seriously doubt that Russell, Walter, or Broussard could do that if given the opportunity. In fact, all three of them combined in their careers have a grand total of 116 receiving yards and 0 TD's. I'd rather have the best receiving corps in the NFL 1-5 than 4 good receivers and a special teams player.

[CantStop85]

Unless like I said once before you are keying in on the fact that K Walter is the only white boy in a black mans slot!!!! And that's just ignorant.

No, YOU are ignorant. No one even mentioned the fact that Kevin Walter was white until you did. Heck, some people didn't even know until you said something.

No one is hating on Walter because he's a white receiver. I think any of us on this board would love to have a receiver like Drew Bennett or Brandon Stokely on our team.

If the only support you can use for your argument is the fact that Walter is white, then you've lost the argument.