maddydaddy Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 So this is it,huh? For the first time since the 91' season, I think we have a team that has the potential to WIN a superbowl, this year. I have talked with alot of Bengals fans and that seems to be the general consensus. My question to all the Bengals faithful is are we really this good or are we just loyal fans? I believe, more than I have in the past 10 years, that we are ready to play ball! Our offense arguably is most talented all the way around the board and our defense is set up to use our strenghts to our advantage. We have unbelieveable speed on Defense, and I dont care what anyone thinks about defense, it is all about speed and technique. It does not matter how huge a man is, Gethers is fast enough to make him fall on his fat ass. Our time has come. We can now be a force instead of a punchline in the N.F.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 It's not even pre season yet .... so it's really kind of hard to say how good we will or won't be this year. I expect us to do better this year than we did last year. Even tho we had the same record last year, it was against a higher level of competition and even the " experts " said that we could " do better even tho we could have a record that wasn't as good". With that in mind, we exceeded expectations of the talking heads and gave hope to starving fans. Superbowl ????? A lot of things go into winning a Superbowl ( or even getting there for that matter ). A lot of really good teams have failed to get to the Superbowl and a lot of the really good teams that do ... still come away with a loss. I honestly believe that the 49'ers were the only team that could have beaten the Bengals in the Superbowl the second time we played them ...... and at that they still had to have a lot of things go their way. At the end of last season, I said that I thought we would go right around 11 and 5 this year. One game one way or the other ( for 10 and 6 or 12 and 4 ) wouldn't shock me either. That gives us a realistic chance to have a winning season for the first time since ..... well you know .... and a legitimate shot at the playoffs as either a wildcard or as divisional champs ( also a bit of a reach ) . Once we're in the playoffs, we have as good a shot as anyone else there ....... but are by no means a shoe in for the show. We're getting there. We'll be better this year than last , and we'll be better next year than this year. At this point tho I think it's a lot more realistic to take it one step at a time. We won't have to speculate ..... when we're really ready ... we'll know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Are we as good as we think we are? Honestly no. :player: :player: We're BETTER!! :player: :player: Get-R-Done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Anytime you have a solid O line and a franchise QB you can go to the superbowl. If you break it down this O looks like its going to give Indy a run for who has the best O in the leauge. Im confident Marvin will change the D dramastically. The O will also help the D out alot. So Im not thinking Superbowl this year because of one thing lack of playoff experience. Afc Championship loss to pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I think Wilkening over at pfw nailed in last March: it can go either way.http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/A...ening031705.htmLike him, 12-4 wouldn't surprise me. Neither would a 3rd straight 8-8 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I think Wilkening over at pfw nailed in last March: it can go either way.http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/A...ening031705.htmLike him, 12-4 wouldn't surprise me. Neither would a 3rd straight 8-8 season. Good article Joisey. I liked this quote:Everywhere you look, there are positive signs. Ownership has shown a willingness to spend the money needed to retain key free agents like RB Rudi Johnson and WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh.A tip of the hat to Mike Brown!! Not enough good is said about the man. God knows I've said my share of bad about him, and now it appears Mike is serving me up a big plate of crow! (I wish it was this flavor, but alas it's not. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I don't know if this has been said before but I think the Bengals are like the late 90's Tennessee Titans. I think it's a similar model with how the two teams were built. Titans had three straight 8-8 seasons before 13-3 and a Super Bowl berth. Maybe I am off base but I would like to see the Bengals go along those lines but with no salary cap issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantStop85 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I liked this quote about the Bengal-Ravens game:The Ravens never really recovered from that game, so shaken were they by the way Palmer dominated them. There will be other masterful games for him to come, given his talent and his WR corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 The one thing that this article doesnt take into account is how good Palmer will be. This guy showed us what he can do in the last games of the season. He is poised for a 30 plus TD season. you add in those extra TD and continuity of returning all the starters and you just shott 8-8 to hell. why some off you might ask? Well we have been plagued for the last 2 years by slow starts. Kitna and crew took the worse team in the leauge to 8-8. Palmer started slow then caught fire. This group has continuity thats why we will not have a slow start. The days of 8-8 are gone. This september wont be the same slow start as before because of stability at the QB position. Palmer is in his second year as a starter and thats not goint to happen. Then you add a new defensive coach and you could be loking at a team that has more parts of the puzzle in place than maybe 3 or 4 teams in the leauge. thats why we are getting all this press the people that know football can see this. Its just hard to accept after so many smashed dreams over 14 years that finally it is true that we are the best young team in the leauge. so Bengaldom I will show what our talent level is. LT Jones poised for probowl LG Steinbach , a top ten pick who fell because he was a gaurd(and the turds are stupid) C Braham as good as any vet in the leauge. Knows the line calls. RG Boobie, Ok this guy is average. Rt Anderson Undratted as a probowler TEs Kelley, solid run blocker for the power O Wr Chad the best in the leauge Wr TJ ,P Dub(you choose) Great complements RB Rudi, Remeber when the O line was healthy? He was dominate FB JJ , Not fat this year(gives Rudi that extra yard) QB Palmer ,Second year QBs break out Lde Smith , at least he is solid.( could have a monster year) Ldt J Thorton, He will hold his position had a great off season Rdt Robinson, Can we say goose Rde Geathers, might slump or he could continue to progress Sam pollak Rookie MLb Thurman Rookie considerd best lb in draft Weak Simmons Solid pro Cb Tory overrrtaed solid corner SS Herring Band aid FS Williams had the numbers for rookie of the year (defense) Cb Deltha former probowler who had a great off season Then think about our depth, this team is poised for a great year in the regular season but lacks playoff exp. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 I liked this quote about the Bengal-Ravens game:The Ravens never really recovered from that game, so shaken were they by the way Palmer dominated them. There will be other masterful games for him to come, given his talent and his WR corps. That one caught my eye, too. Not because what it says about Palmer...but because what it implies about the Ravens.We've all heard the drill. Reed, McCallister, now "Don't call me Neon" Dieon, blah, blah, blah. But really, what kind of challenges has the Baltimore secondary faced within the division in the last several years? Kitna? Maddox? Couch/Holcomb? Not exactly Montana, Elway and Marino, is it? Or even, say, Brady, Pennington and Bledsoe.Between then, Palmer and Cheeselisburger are going to present big challenges to this allegedly awesome secondary...and that's something they haven't faced in the division in, well, about ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 That is a good point about the Ravens. It will be interesting to see them against some of the leagues better offenses this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantStop85 Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Let's look at things from a different angle here. Let's look at our losses from last season. If you look at the games, most of the ones we lost we lost because either A.) Palmer threw interceptions or B.) We couldn't stop the run.Now, Palmer isn't going to throw all those interceptions this season because he is more experienced and a little more comfortable in the offense. I don't know if we can do a great job at stopping the run this year...but I do know that we can do better than last year.If Palmer is efficient and the defense can at least contain the run, then we're looking at around 2,3,4 more wins than last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 We also have a better Schedule this year and if we can win games were suppossed too (titans,lions,texans,greenbay etc) I see us having no problem making it too 10-6 as a WC team or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 Let's look at things from a different angle here. Let's look at our losses from last season. If you look at the games, most of the ones we lost we lost because either A.) Palmer threw interceptions or B.) We couldn't stop the run.Now, Palmer isn't going to throw all those interceptions this season because he is more experienced and a little more comfortable in the offense. I don't know if we can do a great job at stopping the run this year...but I do know that we can do better than last year.If Palmer is efficient and the defense can at least contain the run, then we're looking at around 2,3,4 more wins than last season. Nice post...12 posts old and already making us proud.Palmer threw 1-1 TD to INT. The sporting news predicts, and I agree, it will be 2-1 this year.They also predict Rudi will break the team's (and his) record again.2 receivers will break 1000 yards (Housch will do this easily if healthy), remember his Marvin-given nickname used to be "china doll" which Marvin removed after 2 monster hits back to back in which they couldn't knock the ball loose.They also had 2 other very good predictions...I would tell you if I wasn't so damn cheap and would actually buy one of these rags.Can you see it...we become to the Ravens what NE is to the Colts...MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... tastes like chocolate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Is this our year ?? Remains to be seen. The question needing to be asked and answered before being able to answer the first is.... Can we stop the run ?? If we can stop the run and not get ran the F**K over, it could be our year. The production we get from our rookies and Robinson will tell the tale. I for one am hoping for the best, but still am more than reluctant to just say....Turn on the homerism....We are going to kick ass and take names !!! We can't be beat !!! Turn off the homerism....Proof is on the field, when I see it, I'll believe it !!! I think it will be a great year though.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 When I read posts like these, and articles that are big on the Bengals, I get all giddy, and begin to think about what it might feel like to see the Bengals playing football in February... but then I think about how many teams look poised to go to the superbowl. We are not alone.Are we as good as we think we are? Certainly not. If we were as good as a lot of people on this forum describe, we should make a run at 16-0. So, no we are not as good as our hearts tell us, although it is fun to make-believe.Is this our year? It very well could be the end of our playoff drought, but we are not going to the superbowl. I think we have a real chance at doing it in 2006, but expecting it this year is a bit premature. A whole lot of things would have to fall into place for a superbowl run, including the rookies playing like veterans, Carson Palmer playing like he's got more than 13 games under his belt, and a lot of really good teams taking a step back.All in all, I would be really disappointed with another 8-8 season, but would not be all that surprised if we only improved by a game. (remember, we should have been 7-9 last year). 12-4 seems way too optimistic to me. 11-5 would be a pleasant surprise. 10-6 is very acheivable, based on our schedule, but we're in a tough division, and that might not win it in the North. 10-6 would probably get us in as a wild card, but I don't expect to win a playoff game on the road... but to me, that would be a succesful season, in preparation for our 2006 superbowl run. Anything less than a playoff berth will disapoint me, but my expectations are not more than just getting there at this point. Talk to me when we go 6-0, and I'll be singing a different tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantStop85 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 If we don't start the season out 4-0, or at least 3-1, I will be very disappointed. Our first 4 opponents: Browns, Vikings, Bears, Texans. Our toughest games on the entire schedule will be Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh (2), Baltimore (2), Buffalo, Green Bay. If we steal a couple games from those opponents and win all the games we're supposed to win, we'll end up at about 10-6. No, I'm not saying this is exactly how the season is going to unfold, but it is something to put the schedule into perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 If we don't start the season out 4-0, or at least 3-1, I will be very disappointed. Our first 4 opponents: Browns, Vikings, Bears, Texans. Our toughest games on the entire schedule will be Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh (2), Baltimore (2), Buffalo, Green Bay. If we steal a couple games from those opponents and win all the games we're supposed to win, we'll end up at about 10-6. No, I'm not saying this is exactly how the season is going to unfold, but it is something to put the schedule into perspective. You and I seem to be thinking along the same lines. We're going to have games where we are looking like we are world beaters, and then have a couple where the guys act like they're trying to figure out exactly what a football looks like any way. I'm looking for a good start as well. I also think we'll put together a couple of winning streaks ( as opposed to win 1 lose 1 ). We're also 1 game off on our predictions ( wishes ? ) ...... I'm just counting on getting a game or 2 ala the KC game from '03 and / or the Ravens game from last year to hit that 11 n 5 or 12 n 4. Ravens game is the one that the players are pointing to as the " turning point " where THEY started to believe. Now they get to put it into practice from opening day. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 It's too hard to evaluate NFL schedules from one year to the next. If you base stength of schedule and possible wins on last years efforts, that could lead to some problems. I remember a couple years ago we lost to the St. Louis Rams by like 28 points early in the year and we were upset because St. Louis sucked the year before. Turns out St. Louis won the Super Bowl the year they pummeled us.That being said, it's hard to ignore the gathering storm....Bengals in the playoffs at 11-5.....The best part is fans of the teams on our schedule don't put an automatic W by the game on the schedule anymore. If they do they are ignorant, stupid, dumb and otherwise clueless.... :player: :player: :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 If we don't start the season out 4-0, or at least 3-1, I will be very disappointed. Our first 4 opponents: Browns, Vikings, Bears, Texans. Our toughest games on the entire schedule will be Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh (2), Baltimore (2), Buffalo, Green Bay. If we steal a couple games from those opponents and win all the games we're supposed to win, we'll end up at about 10-6. No, I'm not saying this is exactly how the season is going to unfold, but it is something to put the schedule into perspective. Vikings will be a tough game but atleast we have them @ home + at week 2 before their defense gets use to working togather (I hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimington over Marino Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Statistics show that only 1 of the 8 teams from each conference that makes the playoffs make the Super Bowl. only 1 of the 2 teams that make it to the Super Bowl is the winner, the other loses. Where did that sarcasm emoticon go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alense Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Until we can get a big, fat defensive tackle to help with the run, we still aren't going to be able to raise the Lombardi Trophy. Don't get me wrong, I love athletic guys like we have, and I think we have the potential to go far in the playoffs. On the other hand, if you look at the recent Super Bowl winners all of them had a big fat guy in the middle on defense. Sometimes they have 2 big fat guys to plug the holes. I honestly think we are 1 good defensive tackle away from a Super Bowl. Unfortunately, Bryan Robinson isn't that guy. I'm still very optimistic about this season, but I am also a realist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 And now, the Ravens fan dose of reality:The Bengals are a good team, capable of winning a superbowl, but not likely to do so. The offense has the potential to be really good, but the D is a big question mark. I think you overestimate the effect of the Ravens game, and let me explain that. We already realized that the Bengals are a real team now. That defensive collapse made all of us question Nolan's soft playcalling. Now that he's not here, we are allowed to discuss it openly. With Rex Ryan's new aggressive 46 scheme, it's a new ballgame.BTW, think of it this way: The next time you face the Ravens D, they will remember that collapse, and they will be pretty pissed about it still. Be honest: Who wants to face an angry Ravens' defense?But, i'm off topic. If the Bengals won the superbowl, I would be surprised, but not shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Bengal Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 I think with a health O_line from the start we have a much better chance of starting off well. The fact that 'Has been' Hardy isn't there to be in the right spot and totally miss the tackle will be a big help!PITTSBURGH wont' have the easy schedule they had last year combined with the loss of parts of there starting O-line and Ben 'who will be the average rookie he was at the end of the year' Rothliesberger. Give it a rest!Raven's lost alot of there Defensive Starters and new WRs learning the system.And Cleveland enough said!! If its Brown flush it down!So Yes I think we will be better than last year and at the very least make the playoffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantStop85 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 And now, the Ravens fan dose of reality:The Bengals are a good team, capable of winning a superbowl, but not likely to do so. The offense has the potential to be really good, but the D is a big question mark. I think you overestimate the effect of the Ravens game, and let me explain that. We already realized that the Bengals are a real team now. That defensive collapse made all of us question Nolan's soft playcalling. Now that he's not here, we are allowed to discuss it openly. With Rex Ryan's new aggressive 46 scheme, it's a new ballgame.BTW, think of it this way: The next time you face the Ravens D, they will remember that collapse, and they will be pretty pissed about it still. Be honest: Who wants to face an angry Ravens' defense?But, i'm off topic. If the Bengals won the superbowl, I would be surprised, but not shocked. I believe that Cincinnati and Baltimore will split the two games that they play against each other this season. I think they will both have similar records and will end up battling it out for the division title. Pittsburgh will end up third in the division because there's no way they can repeat what they did last year. Pittsburgh was the biggest overachiever of the season last year.The only way Cincinnati can make it to Super Bowl is if our defense matures quicker than expected. The defense has the talent in most positions, but not the experience. We'll still go to the playoffs with a mediocre defense...but we'll just end up as another Indianapolis.Actually, the Ravens could also take a trip to the Super Bowl. Their defense is certainly good enough...but they would need nothing short of a miracle on the offensive side A.K.A. the maturation of Kyle Boller. Boller has the tools surrounding him (Derrick Mason, Todd Heap, Jamal Lewis, Good O-Line), but does he have the talent to use all those tools?I'm looking forward to the Cincinnati-Baltimore games this season. There should be some very intense competitions brewing with the Ravens' newly-found realization that a Bengals game is no longer an automatic W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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