Kazkal Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 He's a good player, but wasn't he a backup at So Cal? How do you expect a college backup to be an impact player in his first year in the NFL? He was only a freshmen/soph though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Encouraging news on the injury front from Warrick, Steinbach, Perry and Wilkerson buried in that piece, too. Warrick's knee apparently isn't swelling up, Steinbach says his elbow is back just fine, Perry is doing passing drills and Wilkerson has apparently been cleared for at least light work. Good, good, good.Couldn't sgree more Joisey. Steinbach especially. Everywhere I read it says Stein will outshine Willie and everybody else on the line this year. Our O-line starters will be great this year.Because of Willie and Braham having a lighter load during camps our 2's are getting a world of know-how playing with the 1's...Braham's health and Bobby's athleticism are my only concerns for the line this season...Bobby is great for the run, but Pollack ate him up running around him.This is all great news...all of these guys will be either productive for us this year, or will be great depth ya if stein is healthy, hes the best pulling guard in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Encouraging news on the injury front from Warrick, Steinbach, Perry and Wilkerson buried in that piece, too. And a nice snippet about a lighter but more heavily muscled 300 lb Levi Jones buried in the bit about Steinbach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Latest on Wright from pft...plus a decent primer on how the supplemental draft works...props...JAGS ENTER FRAY FOR WRIGHTAdd one more team to the list of franchises interested in USC defensive tackle Manuel Wright, who'll be eligible for selection in the NFL supplemental draft on July 14.Wright, we're told, will visit the Jags on Wednesday and Thursday before heading to Miami for a Friday visit. Wright also has visited the Eagles and the Bengals.As we've previously reported, the Dolphins plan to select Wright in the supplemental draft. And of the teams interested in Wright, the Fins will have dibs -- if they pull the trigger in the same round as the Eagles, Jags, and/or Bengals. Although the process is based on a weighted lottery (with the worst team from a year ago getting 32 balls in the hopper, the next worst team getting 31, and so on), the draft order is split between teams with six or fewer wins from the prior season -- and all other teams.So the Fins will be lumped together with the Browns, the Titans, the Raiders, the Giants, the Redskins, the Cowboys, the Lions, the Bears, the Bucs, the Cardinals, and the 49ers. In any given round, then, there's no way that Miami will fall below Philly, Cincy, or Jacksonville.Still, there's definitely a poker-table aspect to this venture. Each round lasts ten total minutes, and the franchises exercise their picks -- if any -- via e-mail during the same ten-minute period. After the e-mails are submitted, the league office determines whether two or more teams have selected the same guy, and the league office then awards the player to the highest team in the lottery rankings. Thus, teams who claim to be interested in Wright could be bluffing in order to prompt another team to burn a high-round 2006 draft pick. And teams who haven't expressed an interest might be keeping quiet in the hopes of pouncing at the right time.Because many believe Wright to be a third-rounder or a fourth-rounder, our guess is that someone will put in a claim for him in round two. It would be a shock, frankly, if a team burns a 2006 first-round pick on Wright. However, we don't rule out a first-round move by a team projected to be picking low in round one next year. The team that picks Wright will get extra money added to their 2005 rookie pool for the purposes of signing him. Nevertheless, the team will be required to fit all 2005 draft picks -- and all other players -- under the current cap year.(Editor's note: Thanks to Steve Alic of the NFL league office for sharing with us the details regarding the supplemental draft process.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vman1186 Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 He will probably go higher than expected as this is going to be a kind of "bidding war" with many teams intruiged by him (question, can teams up their bid like in an auction, no right?). IMO we should only take him if he can help us this year in a major way. And that depends largely on Askew's play. Long term stuff can wait till the actual draft when their are more DTs. Overall, I am skeptical. He didn't play that much in college, so he'll have to learn fast wherever he goes. Plus, their is no need to make a desperate grab at someone to fill a need. Hopefully Askew is feeling the heat regardless. He might (in Marvin we trust) be worth it in the 4th, but I doubt he'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Update from Robinson's (yahoo) latest roundup column...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-n...=yhoo&type=lgnsA source close to USC defensive tackle Manuel Wright – the top talent in next month's supplemental draft – said Wright has been given a guarantee by an undisclosed AFC team that he will be selected in the third round. Speculation has it that the team is either Cincinnati or Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Update from Robinson's (yahoo) latest roundup column...http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-n...=yhoo&type=lgnsA source close to USC defensive tackle Manuel Wright – the top talent in next month's supplemental draft – said Wright has been given a guarantee by an undisclosed AFC team that he will be selected in the third round. Speculation has it that the team is either Cincinnati or Miami. Any idea what the draft order is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROIIIDayton Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 The draft order is determind by a lottery on the day of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050708-011816-9457r.htmThe kicker in when Wright gets picked in the supplemental draft could be Clemson WR Roscoe Crosby. 20 teams showed up for his workout and Miami is one listed in the above article with greater interest in him.If the Fins, use a 3rd for Crosby, it could give the Bengals a better chance to get Wright with their 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20050708-011816-9457r.htmThe kicker in when Wright gets picked in the supplemental draft could be Clemson WR Roscoe Crosby. 20 teams showed up for his workout and Miami is one listed in the above article with greater interest in him.If the Fins, use a 3rd for Crosby, it could give the Bengals a better chance to get Wright with their 3rd. He isn't worth a 3rd round pick from next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 This is probably faulty logic...but a 3rd rounder today is like getting a 2nd rounder next year if we develop them well correctly...and have you seen our depth at DT...it gives me DT's...If we do as well as we expect, a third rounder may very well buried in the third round and with a years development and with how little we actually have to invest in these guys, it might not be a bad move if he is as good as people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 This is probably faulty logic...but a 3rd rounder today is like getting a 2nd rounder next year if we develop them well correctly...and have you seen our depth at DT...it gives me DT's...If we do as well as we expect, a third rounder may very well buried in the third round and with a years development and with how little we actually have to invest in these guys, it might not be a bad move if he is as good as people think. I agree whoeleheartedly about our situation at DT. There is still no comfort zone for me in regards to this position. Is this youngster going to make me comfortable ?? NO, but it takes at least a season or so for most DT's to figure it out and can turn into busts very easily. In that line of thought, taking a DT in the 3rd is a far less risk than using a 1st rounder on them. What's up with Askew ?? Everyone said he would have been a first rounder this year had he stayed in school. I know hes been injured, but I have to think this decision could be based in part on what they think they truly have in Askew. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Wright is no better now than Askew was when we picked him in the 4th the year before. I'd much rather try to get someone like Gabe Watson, Orien Harris, Haloti Ngata, LeKevin Smith, or any of the MANY large fast DTs coming out next year.However, looking at where the draftnics already doing 2006 mock drafts have Wright going next year, maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Haloti Ngata College: OregonHeight: 6'4"Weight: 345Etuini Haloti Moala Ngata is a massive young man with a rare combination of power and agility. Opponents are satisfied if they can stop the defensive tackle’s forward surge; pushing him backwards is out of the question. Ngata also has the athletic ability to chase down quarterbacks and make plays behind the line of scrimmage. His ability to collapse the pocket and swallow blockers makes him a prototype lineman.He had a knee issue last year, but this kid is a monster. I have to think he will be gone early on. Wright or whoever they look at will be OK with me if ML says that's who he wants.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 The draft order is determind by a lottery on the day of the draft. Thanks. And when is this draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Wright or whoever they look at will be OK with me if ML says that's who he wants.WHODEY !!! I'll agree with that 100%. However, I don't expect Marvin to snag anyone in a supplemental draft and lose out on options next draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Big O has some logic here our third could be very low next year so why not get the project started and he will be ready in a couple of years. This reminds me of the S. andrews pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted July 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I'd rather see a guy like Wright picked up only if he can immediately contribute to the rotation. BUT -- if it's a matter of him being just raw and not able to do so mentally until midway through the season, I'd like to see the Bengals bid for him. A project yes, but let's get the project to work already.Like the Old Man said when one coach said that a rookie was as big as a bear and another coach said the player's also as strong as a bear; If we can just get him to think like a bear then we got ourslves a football player.The supplemental draft is July 14, JJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I don't think we'll be drafting this fellow.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2104244 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 I don't think we'll be drafting this fellow.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._len&id=2104244 This guy sounds like Big Duddy's lil brother. Maybe if we can get him for a fourth or fifth rounder but no more than that. I am surprised at his lack of strength too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Just to recap, the first published reports on his value placed him as a likely 3rd round pick. I thought he could be had a round later... Let's recap my recap. After all of the interviews...a few surprising fast wind sprints performed by a poorly conditioned athlete...and a fairly miserable display of weight lifting prowess...my first wild guess about Wrights value seems to be quite reasonable. This guy can almost certainly be had for a 3rd...if not a 4th round pick. IMHO this guy is STILL an interesting prospect worthy of a mid round bid and if other teams are scared off by his workout then so much the better. I think it was probably always well understood by all of the really interested teams that this is a prospect who could blossom into something special in a year or two if developed properly and that scenario always began with getting him involved in an NFL conditioning program. Bottom Line: I'd bid a 4th round pick for this kid without pausing a beat, and furthermore...I'll not utter a peep of complaint if the Bengals determine that their draft position dictates they spend a 3rd. But no higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsLB Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Official Bio Strengths:Has great size and the frame to get even bigger...Is very athletic for a guy his dimensions...Has the measurables scouts dream about...Quick and has the type of rare burst you look for in an impact interior lineman...Can penetrate and make plays in the backfield...Was productive in his limited opportunities...Hasn't even begun to reach his full potential and has a very high upside. Weaknesses:Has battled weight problems throughout his college career...Has never been a starter, although he did play behind two guys who were drafted high in the NFL...Is very immature and his desire and motivation have to be seriously questioned...Is very inconsistent and doesn't always give 100%...Still has a lot to learn from a technique standpoint...Lacks strength and only did 16 reps of 225 lbs. on the bench press...Did not qualify right away out of high school (spent time at a JUCO) and then flunked out of school as a junior so you have to wonder about how well he will pick up a complicated defensive scheme. Notes:Was part of a famed Long Beach Poly High School class that also featured U.C.L.A. TE Marcedes Lewis as well as USC teammates OT Winston Justice and RB Hershel Dennis...Backed up Mike Patterson and Shaun Cody with the Trojans and was slated to step into the starting lineup in 2005 before being declared academically ineligible...Has the physical tools to be great but has yet to put it all together...Some team will likely take a chance on him much earlier than they should based on his potential but I wouldn't touch him before the 4th round. from nfldraftcountdown.comdosen't seem like a marvin lewis guy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 dosen't seem like a marvin lewis guy to me. Really? Perhaps you should reread the remarks listed under the heading of "strengths"....because every single one of those things sound exactly like the things Marvin is very interested in. The weaknesses and risks are understood and have been well known from the start.....yet we're still said to be one of the three teams most interested in Wright. Assuming no surprise bidder emerges those three teams are said to be Miami, Jacksonville, and the Bengals. And that's been the word for months now, right? So, doesn't that continued level of interest imply Marvin feels he might be able to reach this kid and motivate him to realize his full potential? Let's face it, Lewis hasn't been reluctant to draft players who come with character related concerns if the upside is thought to be great enough. Somehow I get the feeling he's rather confident in his abilities to teach and motivate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Actually sounds just like a Marvin guy. Alot of upside. Perry-Academics Askew-donut desyroyer Andrews- not much playing time. Henry-attitude Washington-one year starter. JJ -fat and academics Thurman- tue and stupid All knock on Marvins picks. I would bet we take a shot at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsLB Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 dosen't always give 100% and is unmotivated and lacks desire i highly doubt marvin will take a shot on this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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