schweinhart Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2960The LA Daily News reported that the Cowboys, Falcons, Fins, and Packers have also approached Wright.Can Wright be got in the supplemental draft for anything less than the Bengals 2nd rounder next year? Is he worth the lost pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 If we lose a second round pick, I don' think that Wright is worth taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Is he worth it? Shrug. Who knows if any draft pick is worth it? IIRC the thinking a few weeks ago was that someone would spend a fourth -- plus or minus a round -- on Wright. I don't think anyone will spend a 1 or 2 on the guy, but if today's reports are accurate I wouldn't be surprised to see someone cash in a 3rd rounder.If that team is Cincy, I have to think that says they're rapidly souring on Askew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofLnMU Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 If we get him with a 4th, then great. If we have to spend a 3rd on him, I begin to worry. Then again, if he becomes a monster run stuffer in the middle in 2 years, then they are geniuses. If he becomes a shade less than Jason Buck or Jevon Langford, then they are goats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 All good points.Particularly poignant is Joisey's point about the possible souring on Askew. If that's the case, I think we may see a move for Wright. Next year's DT draft crop is still a question mark for me at this point. Rodrique Wright and Anthony Montgomery are 2 that pop to mind.But the main thing with Manuel Wright to me seems can he help the Bengals now. The DT rotation is still anyone's guess as to how effective it will be.Definitely one for the "In Marvin We Trust" file. Here's to hoping for a good meet between the two tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Is 6'6" a little tall to be an effective tackle? Isnt it hard to get leveage at that height? I thought Bryan Robinson was kind of tall at 6'4" ...seems like most great tackles are 6'1 to 6'3" to counter the size of most guards..I think a 6'3 330 lb guard would get under his pads and bow him back.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 He's a good player, but wasn't he a backup at So Cal? How do you expect a college backup to be an impact player in his first year in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 u cant. he'd be a huge developement...hed be comparable to stacey andrews on offense. so who knows if its worth it. he hardly played in college so u just gotta go by his agility/size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodikart Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 I don't understand what it means by, "The team that takes Wright in the supplemental draft loses the corresponding pick next April. Draft order is set by a lottery based on 2004 records and is done the day of the draft. The team that gets Wright will also have its rookie salary pool expanded to fit the pick." How many rounds are in this supp. draft or is it like a bidding process like I'm willing to give up my 3rd round and if no one else is willing to give up a 3rd round we get him. Someone please explain.......thanks.. :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 IIRC the thinking a few weeks ago was that someone would spend a fourth -- plus or minus a round -- on Wright. I don't think anyone will spend a 1 or 2 on the guy, but if today's reports are accurate I wouldn't be surprised to see someone cash in a 3rd rounder. Just to recap, the first published reports on his value placed him as a likely 3rd round pick. I thought he could be had a round later...Chrishcova(sp?) thought it would take a 2nd round pick. I've since seen articles where the value has been set as high as a 2nd and as low as a possible 5th. Frankly, that's a pretty wide range that probably has as much to do with the players individual value as the supplemental draft process itself. I've read where some teams consider supplemental drafts as a way to get a jump on next years draft while others are extremely reluctant to bid under the less familiar circumstances. All things considered I'm encouraged by the interest. It's true that Wright may be a project but all you have to see is his performance in the bowl game against the Sooners to understand why teams are considering using a mid round pick on a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 I don't understand what it means by, "The team that takes Wright in the supplemental draft loses the corresponding pick next April. Draft order is set by a lottery based on 2004 records and is done the day of the draft. The team that gets Wright will also have its rookie salary pool expanded to fit the pick." How many rounds are in this supp. draft or is it like a bidding process like I'm willing to give up my 3rd round and if no one else is willing to give up a 3rd round we get him. Someone please explain.......thanks.. :player: Yep, it's a bidding thing. A team offers a draft pick, whoever offers the highest pick would get him (or any other player). Then the team that wins, loses whatever pick they gave up. Say the Bengals offered a fourth rounder for this guy, and a say the Packers and Falcons offered a fourth rounder as well, the Bengals would win because of their 2004 record. However, in the 2005 draft they lose their 4th rounder, even if (no if, this is gonna happen) they would be drafting later than the other teams that they outbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Is 6'6" a little tall to be an effective tackle? Isnt it hard to get leveage at that height? I thought Bryan Robinson was kind of tall at 6'4" ...seems like most great tackles are 6'1 to 6'3" to counter the size of most guards..I think a 6'3 330 lb guard would get under his pads and bow him back.. I dunno if it's too big. Albert Haynesworth is 6-6 and I sure hope Steinbach does a much, much, much better job trying to deal with him this year than he did last year.Other tall DTs are Marcuse Stroud (6-6), Kevin Williams (6-5), Big Baby (6-4), Kris Jenkins (6-4), but on the whole DTs generally are shorter than 6-4.As for college back-ups making a 1st-year impact, gotta say the odds do seem long there. Can't think of any of top of head that did but then again something should be said that Manuel Wright backed up 1st and 2nd rd picks in this year's draft who played on the #1 team in the country last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 If Wright can't help us immediately, do we really want to have him take up a roster spot the entire year? No way he survives the practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 The real ? is how much of this is Askew dissapointing. Id say we bid a fourth at max but remember that thats goingt to be a low fourth next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cHaD711Johnson Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Askew was a fourth round pick so I really can't be that disappointed..And he's only played 1 YEAR!!! You act like he's had 3 terrible seasons..When they drafted him he was a year away anyway so I didn't expect anything from him last year..He will be on the field producing this year, I guarantee it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Is 6'6" a little tall to be an effective tackle? Isnt it hard to get leveage at that height? I thought Bryan Robinson was kind of tall at 6'4" ...seems like most great tackles are 6'1 to 6'3" to counter the size of most guards..I think a 6'3 330 lb guard would get under his pads and bow him back..I dunno if it's too big. Albert Haynesworth is 6-6 and I sure hope Steinbach does a much, much, much better job trying to deal with him this year than he did last year.Other tall DTs are Marcuse Stroud (6-6), Kevin Williams (6-5), Big Baby (6-4), Kris Jenkins (6-4), but on the whole DTs generally are shorter than 6-4.As for college back-ups making a 1st-year impact, gotta say the odds do seem long there. Can't think of any of top of head that did but then again something should be said that Manuel Wright backed up 1st and 2nd rd picks in this year's draft who played on the #1 team in the country last year. I didnt know Haynesworth was that tall... As far as Steinbach getting under his pads, well actually Steinbach is 6'6" also so he's pretty tall for a guard too.Maybe a short squat guard would give Haynesworth more trouble...Maybe the same could be said as far as blocking Wright too huh? Just my thoughts on that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Askew was a fourth round pick so I really can't be that disappointed..And he's only played 1 YEAR!!! You act like he's had 3 terrible seasons..When they drafted him he was a year away anyway so I didn't expect anything from him last year..He will be on the field producing this year, I guarantee it.. I think it has more to do with injuries than whether or not he's capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 You got it Sky, I think they question his desire and motor too(Askew I meanAs far as Wright goes, he has a lot of talent, but is dumber than a box of rocks. He obviously had some talented upper classman in front of him and from what I've read he had trouble staying on the team cause of academics. Too much of a project for my tastes. I think Marvin will stick with the projects he already has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 Wright's Pro Day is July 8. That'll get a grasp of some measurables. ML's interview with him seems like it will be key. I don't see why ML would go through the motions if he didn't see something he really liked about Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2966Nice write up by Hobson about the Manuel Wright visit.Sounds like Wright was duly impressed with what's going on in the Nati. Maybe he'll really want to play for Bengals above the other teams interested in him.Bengals can make Wright happen w/o dumping Askew but if they did, they'd have to dump either Powell or Clemons and the other backup DTs beside Langston Moore. Then either Askew or Wright would have to be on the field this year contributing in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Encouraging news on the injury front from Warrick, Steinbach, Perry and Wilkerson buried in that piece, too. Warrick's knee apparently isn't swelling up, Steinbach says his elbow is back just fine, Perry is doing passing drills and Wilkerson has apparently been cleared for at least light work. Good, good, good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklyn_bengalfan Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Pro Football Talk seems to think the Dolfins have the strongest interest in Wright: http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm"A league source tells us that the Miami Dolphins fully intend to select USC defensive tackle Manuel Wright in the July 14 supplemental draft. Wright, who played sparingly during his time in SoCal, has drawn interest from Miami, Philly, and Cincinnati. Wright is six-foot-five and weighs 320 pounds. He has scored a 17 on the Wonderlic test, and he works out for scouts on July 8. The Dolphins arguably have the greatest need at Wright's position, especially for the future. Tim Bowens is done, Larry Chester is a half-step behind him, and Keith Traylor are Jeff Zgonina are 35. Other defensive tackles on the roster are Dario Romero, rookie seventh-rounder Kevin Vickerson, Josh Shaw, and rookie free agent Orrin Thompson."I think that unless his workout is stunning, he's only worth a shot if we only have to use a 4th round pick. But it sounds like the Dolphins are willing to use one higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Just my .02 cents, but hearing ML state, "there are some chinks" in reference a player in the supplemental draft would indicate to me, there is no way we give up anything more than a 4th, which would then indicate to me, we can forget about this kid being in stripes. Some other team will reach with this kid and give up something stupid like a second to get him. This doesn't bother me one bit...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 He's a good player, but wasn't he a backup at So Cal? How do you expect a college backup to be an impact player in his first year in the NFL? Backups at USC would start elsewhere. That's a very deep team. And remember they won the National Championship.Still, it would be expecting a lot for him to contribute very soon. How many projects does ML have room for? Essentially wouldn't you be cutting some 2nd or 3rd year guy who already knows the system, in favor of a young rookie who hasn't proven anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Encouraging news on the injury front from Warrick, Steinbach, Perry and Wilkerson buried in that piece, too. Warrick's knee apparently isn't swelling up, Steinbach says his elbow is back just fine, Perry is doing passing drills and Wilkerson has apparently been cleared for at least light work. Good, good, good. Couldn't sgree more Joisey. Steinbach especially. Everywhere I read it says Stein will outshine Willie and everybody else on the line this year. Our O-line starters will be great this year.Because of Willie and Braham having a lighter load during camps our 2's are getting a world of know-how playing with the 1's...Braham's health and Bobby's athleticism are my only concerns for the line this season...Bobby is great for the run, but Pollack ate him up running around him.This is all great news...all of these guys will be either productive for us this year, or will be great depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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