Spain Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Ok Bengaldom have you given up on KW? I haven't CJ and Warrik took along time to learn brats overly complicated system. It took Chad 3 years to really get it down to perfection. This year could be a beak out year for him. IMHO He should finally know the system. You ever wonder why TJ got his opportunity last year , its because KW didn't know the plays to get on the field. If KW has learned the system he could be an above average wr in this leauge. However I think Henry was brought in because Marvin knows that KW is behind on his play book. This is also the reason TJ got that monster contract. He knows the play book and has good hands. However I think TJ will never be a great wr. He just doesn't have the athletic ability to be a star. In short the guy is Brandon Stokely 2. Great route runner , good hands, and tough but thats it.IMHO The real ? is who will win out to play next to chad. IMHO PW is poised to win this battle. Do you know why? Because this will be the first time that TJ doesn't have Kitna throwing that slow ball to him. That extra second that a Palmer will give PW will let him have quicker reaction to the defense and thats what this guy was lacking.IMHO So if some of you think that Im crazy for thinking that TJ might go next year think about the size of his contract and the people behind him. When they learn this O there is far more upside with the younger guys.IMHO :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Given up? Nope. I'm guessing that the Bengals biggest gripe with Washington deals with the way he runs his routes. The've tap danced around things by claiming that he's not consistent enough and can't be counted on to be in the correct places on timing routes, but if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly there have also been hints that the Bengals don't like the way Washington breaks into and out of his cuts...with the results being far less seperation from defenders than anticipated. Simply put, due to the sloppy route running Washington's speed is essentially negated and he becomes a large possession-style WR....probably not what the Bengals were hoping for when they drafted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hell on fire a great post first of all. What do you think about my theory that Warrik will be dominant this year? I really dont see TJ taking the field with Henry and Warrik in front of Him. Do You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Hell on fire a great post first of all. What do you think about my theory that Warrik will be dominant this year? I really dont see TJ taking the field with Henry and Warrik in front of Him. Do You? No offense, Spain, but you are the only one having trouble seeing TJ on the field. If the Bengals were not completely sold on him, they wouldn't have stepped up and signed him to the coin they did this past off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengal4life Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Spain if you recall last year in preseason TJ it seemed to me was about to be cut because of his route running. TJ was only good the second half of the season, meaning that he just got the offense in the second half of the season and he still almost broke 1000 yards. I remember when he went to the endzone and had a chance to catch a ball but stepped out of bounds, I was ready to call it quites on him. Later in the season I saw him take one of the biggest hits I've seen a receiver take after catching the ball, and he got up and walked it off. That makes him a great clutch player, if P-Dub would have had taken that hit on I think he would have surely dropped the ball (probably 2/3's of receivers would have IMO). P-Dub has been with the bengals for 5 years. This is TJ's 4th year give him a chance he will put up some numbers (I think 1100-1200) depending on how healthy Warrick is and how Henry does. Also this is KW's 3rd season, just like it was TJ's 3rd season last year, so don't give up on him yet either. Granite if KW doesn't perform this year he will be gone, but have a little faith in TJ, he's good IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Spain if you recall last year in preseason TJ it seemed to me was about to be cut because of his route running. TJ was only good the second half of the season, meaning that he just got the offense in the second half of the season and he still almost broke 1000 yards. I remember when he went to the endzone and had a chance to catch a ball but stepped out of bounds, I was ready to call it quites on him. Later in the season I saw him take one of the biggest hits I've seen a receiver take after catching the ball, and he got up and walked it off. That makes him a great clutch player, if P-Dub would have had taken that hit on I think he would have surely dropped the ball (probably 2/3's of receivers would have IMO). P-Dub has been with the bengals for 5 years. This is TJ's 4th year give him a chance he will put up some numbers (I think 1100-1200) depending on how healthy Warrick is and how Henry does. Also this is KW's 3rd season, just like it was TJ's 3rd season last year, so don't give up on him yet either. Granite if KW doesn't perform this year he will be gone, but have a little faith in TJ, he's good IMO.just wanted to say y'alls posts are sweet...good thread. i am not gonna comment on this tonite. *yells for mom to come tuck him in* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian5562 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 TJ is clutch he had some big catches last year. It is good to know we have quite the mix we have Mr. Big play Pro-Bowl in CJ, We have Mr. Playmaker/Mr. 3rd down and redzone in PW, and we have Mr Clutch move the chains in TJ. KW is a freak when it comes to size and speed now if he can become a football player we are in buisness. Now we have Chris Henry who could have more natural ability then any of them man that is scary. Not to mention a qb who looks to be a future great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 wtf are u smokin on. pdub woulda caught it. i dont know about that spot of the field, but he woulda converted a first down. the man is good, not great but good...he is great though on 3rd down. chad, tj and pdub as our core 3 is very lethal. sprinkle in henry, kw or perry (chris or tab) and we got a extremely lethal 4 wide with a back. or we have good depth now at WR, which we havent had for a long time...usually if 1 guy goes down we have nothing to replace him with. heaven forbid if someone went down - but we would have someone to replace him cuz now we got depth.and are u kiddin me? with palmer at our helm i love having warrick, tj, chad, henry, and kw as threats. add schobel here and there along with a RB and man...i can think of so many ways that we can move the ball through the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Kelly Washington SHOULD have a breakout year this year. For all the Chris Henry hype, he will probably not have a great year, and will be the #4 or #5 receiver. With any luck, Washington will be great trade bait for next season... Then again, look how well Peyton Manning keeps balls going to Marvin Harrison (Chad Johnson), Reggie Wayne (TJ), Brandon Stokely (Pdub/Washington), etc. There's no reason Carson Palmer can't keep 3 or 4 guys happy. Don't forget, Marvin Harrison didn't have the most yards for Indy last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Kelly Washington SHOULD have a breakout year this year. For all the Chris Henry hype, he will probably not have a great year, and will be the #4 or #5 receiver. With any luck, Washington will be great trade bait for next season... Then again, look how well Peyton Manning keeps balls going to Marvin Harrison (Chad Johnson), Reggie Wayne (TJ), Brandon Stokely (Pdub/Washington), etc. There's no reason Carson Palmer can't keep 3 or 4 guys happy. Don't forget, Marvin Harrison didn't have the most yards for Indy last year. Henry gets 300 yards and i'll be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 With any luck, Washington will be great trade bait for next season... KW will not be trade bait next year... because unless he has a breakout year, there is no one that will give any value for him. If he does have a breakout year, it spells out a teary fairwell to Warrick, and our 4 receivers will be CJ, TJ, KW, and Henry.I hope KW does have a breakout year... I think he can be a really good reciever, and frankly I think we need another good one while waiting for Henry to learn... but I do hate that stupid endzone dance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengal4life Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 I'm kind of being a homer here but think about this. If Henry develops quick like CJ did (In his 2nd year) and KW has his break out year this year, we could expend KW (not sure when his contract is up) and possibly getting a 2nd round pick or even a 1st round pick in his place. I know I'm thinking pretty far in the future and stating a lot of If's, but this could be an option for ML. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 KW is done as a Cincinnati Bengal before the season starts UNLESS he dramatically improves in every phase of the game between then and now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 If P-Dub is healthy enough. keep all 5 this year. Never know whose gonna get their gray matter spun too hard in a game. Better to be able to instantly reload than wondering where the ammo is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 If P-Dub is healthy enough. keep all 5 this year. Never know whose gonna get their gray matter spun too hard in a game. Better to be able to instantly reload than wondering where the ammo is. So true.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 For what it's worth I think P-Dub is gone after the season anyway. Last year of his contract and no way the Bengals pay 3 wide receivers big money. I think that is why KW will be here and why Henry and Perry were drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofLnMU Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Because this will be the first time that TJ doesn't have Kitna throwing that slow ball to him. That extra second that a Palmer will give PW will let him have quicker reaction to the defense and thats what this guy was lacking.IMHO The reason that TJ did well was because he had Kitna throwing a slow ball to him? How many balls did TJ catch from Kitna last year (Hint: JK only had 623 yds passing the entire year)? TJ displayed a desire last year to be a part of this thing. I'll take hunger and desire over unrealized potential every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted June 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Sorry I meant PW. Great posts. Another thing is re retyrn game. PW could be the great punt returner for this team which we are sorely lacking. I know you Ratlif fans want him to get a shot however I still prefer Warrik getting another chance. Im expecting that are ST will be very good this year. We will have Guys like Pollak,Odell, Myles,Calleb etc... This guys are going to be real good. PW never had that before. I might even put him in as the RB on third and long in some situations. I never felt that they used PW the way they should have. The guy reminds me of Dave Meggit formerly of the giants. As far as TJ goes he got some great yards but 4 TDs. This guy was all Palmer IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 KW is done as a Cincinnati Bengal before the season starts UNLESS he dramatically improves in every phase of the game between then and now. I disagree....to a point. Despite the mistakes that negate his speed and cost Washington seperation from defenders, he still manages to flash some big play ability just by winning positioning battles with corners. And the problems related to his route runnning are potential quick fixes so it's very possible he's not that far away from being the player the Bengals wanted on draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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