HoosierCat Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 proving my opinion about him being nothing more than a backup* Your opinion of him as a "backup*" is laughable. Nothing like redefining words in order to bolster your argument. Shall I do the same? After all, if you can, so can I. How about "starter*"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Your opinion of him as a "backup*" is laughable. So is the idea that the Bengals drafted Perry to be Rudi's replacement. If they had, they never would have chased Rudi with the long-term contract offers for two years in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Nothing like redefining words in order to bolster your argument. Shall I do the same? After all, if you can, so can I. How about "starter*"? Did you just show a little faith in your boy by calling Chris Perry a starter*? Because if you did I think we've got an actual working bet to look forward to. Light the lamps and let the countdown to 1,549 yards begin!!!!! Wait a minute. Perhaps I spoke too soon, as I just looked up the definition of the term you just shamelessly invented. Starter* - A player who does not start, but could...if life were somehow different. Often broken. Can sometimes be seen attempting to hold another players jock. Usually found on 3rd down squads, special team units, the IR list, in the teller line at the bank, walking ten paces behind the trainer, or lounging two or three inches beneath the swirling waters of whirlpool #3. Frequently mentioned as being an "all-state athlete" due to the fact that there's a large insurance company that does business under that name. Kenny Watson's bitch. A player who, if developed improperly, sometimes goes on to become the answer to a trivia question nobody bothered asking. Last, the currently broken hand in my two fisted fantasy running attack. See also: backup* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I hope Chris Perry will be fine, but I doubt it ! I hope he'll be a good player for the Bengals, but I doubt it. It's called Karma, We got what we deserved. You draft a guy that you know is second tier to other players in order to put pressure on the one you really want, and then wonder why he gets hurt, or complains about his play or pay etc. etc. etc. It's called karma folks, look it up. Wayne's World flashback here :::: weeeeooooowweeeooooo ( flash back music ) Cincy's Draft team in NY. : Ring Ring : Hey Bengals, it's the Rams calling , how about we trade up two spots to take the best running back in the draft , oh and we'll give you a 4th rounder in exchange for it..?Cincy's Draft team : Are you out of your f*ckin mind' Make it a 2nd rounder or next years' first and it's a deal , if not go call your mamaSt. Louis Draft team : " Well I never " click !- seconds later...Paul Tagliabue : With the 24th pick in the April 2004 NFL draft, The Cincinnati Bengals select, Steven Jackson RB, Oregon St.ESPN DRAFT TEAM: WoW, what a smart pick, they trade Corey Dillon, Not sure about Rudi Johnson, the highest rated running back in the draft falls to them, talk about lucky - Marvin Lewis truly has this team on a mission.-- ah the world of fantasy and ESPN NFL 2K5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 So is the idea that the Bengals drafted Perry to be Rudi's replacement. If they had, they never would have chased Rudi with the long-term contract offers for two years in a row. Huh? When did they go after him to lock him up last year?April 20...http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2004/beng04-20-2004.htmlWith Dillon gone, Rudi Johnson becomes the top feature back for the Bengals but the restricted free agent has yet to sign his one-year, $1.83 million tender offer from the club. He could do that this week or the club could begin negotiating with him for a longer-term deal. Peter Schaffer, Johnson's agent, could not be reached for comment Monday night.So 4 days before the draft they hadn't even begun talking about a long term deal.May 14...http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2004/beng05-12-2004.htmlJohnson joined the team today and can now participate in its offseason programs. "I'm a little frustrated because of the team's statements at the end of the year saying that signing Rudi was a top priority, but at this point, while we have had plenty of talks with them, I have not yet received a proposal from themNot even a proposal...August 3...http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2004/beng...08-03-2004.htmlJohnson signed a one-year, $1.8 million deal this offseason as a restricted free agent. He's never shown any worries that he and Bengals weren't able to work out a long-term deal.Looks like Rudi gave up waiting for that elusive proposal...August 13...http://www.cincypost.com/2004/08/13/wheeler08-13-2004.htmlApparently, the Bengals forgot how fabulously he played, because they could have locked him up with a long-term contract but didn't. Instead, they signed Johnson for one year and drafted Chris Perry in the first round.As per usual, Wheeler nails it...Now finally, come Decenber 21...http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2004/beng12-21-2004.htmlIf the Bengals use one of their tags on a player -- they can only use one or the other -- it would likely be on Johnson. He was a restricted free agent last offseason but his agent, Peter Schaffer, and the Bengals were unable to come to terms on a long-term deal.Deal? What deal? I'm still waiting to hear of a proposal...Oh, wait, here we go...February 16...http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Comme...spins021605.htmAll indications from Johnson’s camp, who said the Bengals made only one contract proposal in 17 monthsONE proposal in 17 months! Well, I guess you were right, clearly they had him in the plans from the start . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Nothing like redefining words in order to bolster your argument. Shall I do the same? After all, if you can, so can I. How about "starter*"?Did you just show a little faith in your boy by calling Chris Perry a starter*? Not* at* all*. The* argument* that* Perry* is* a* starter (no*) is* much* stronger* than* the* one* he's* a* starter*. But* if* you're** (two because it's a contraction) going* to* redefine* words* to* suit* your* argument*, so* can* I*. That's** all*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I hope Chris Perry will be fine, but I doubt it ! I hope he'll be a good player for the Bengals, but I doubt it. It's called Karma, We got what we deserved. You draft a guy that you know is second tier to other players in order to put pressure on the one you really want, and then wonder why he gets hurt, or complains about his play or pay etc. etc. etc. It's called karma folks, look it up. Wayne's World flashback here :::: weeeeooooowweeeooooo ( flash back music ) Cincy's Draft team in NY. : Ring Ring : Hey Bengals, it's the Rams calling , how about we trade up two spots to take the best running back in the draft , oh and we'll give you a 4th rounder in exchange for it..?Cincy's Draft team : Are you out of your f*ckin mind' Make it a 2nd rounder or next years' first and it's a deal , if not go call your mamaSt. Louis Draft team : " Well I never " click !- seconds later...Paul Tagliabue : With the 24th pick in the April 2004 NFL draft, The Cincinnati Bengals select, Steven Jackson RB, Oregon St.ESPN DRAFT TEAM: WoW, what a smart pick, they trade Corey Dillon, Not sure about Rudi Johnson, the highest rated running back in the draft falls to them, talk about lucky - Marvin Lewis truly has this team on a mission.-- ah the world of fantasy and ESPN NFL 2K5. You are HYSTERICAL Chris!! The "Waynes World" reference was too much!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 ONE proposal in 17 months! Well, I guess you were right, clearly they had him in the plans from the start Why make even one long-term proposal when you've already replaced the player you're attempting to sign? C'mon, why would a team offer ANY long-term proposal to Rudi 4 days after Perry was drafted if the intent wasn't to keep Rudi long-term? Did the Bengals already know how fragile Perry was? After all, it was months before his injury, right? And are you suggesting that the Bengals and Rudi hadn't discussed a long-term deal prior to Perry being drafted...that they somehow didn't know each others positions prior to the first proposal? I'll argue that both sides knew the landscape very well, and the Bengals didn't bother making a proposal before attempting to gain some much needed bargaining leverage. And yeah, that's how you get Tags calling out Perry's name on draft day. Regardless, after making their proposal...why would the Bengals repeatedly bid against themselves when no other team was in a position to compete for Rudi's services? Obviously the Bengals knew they could eventually use the threat of the franchise tag no matter how many times their proposal was turned down. So why wouldn't it be prudent for the Bengals to play hardball for as long as they could? Isn't that how things actually played out? And the end result was a long-term contract you've described as being better than any you could have imagined, right? Doesn't that sound like the result of a well thought out plan rather than a case of dumb luck? Again, as long as the idea of a rookie replacement taking Rudi's place had even the faintest flicker of life....why would a team ignore the fact that they had exclusive negotiating rights by bidding against themselves? Granted, Perry got dinged up, but didn't Marvin just say that Perry was coming along fine? If true, why did Lewis feel the need to add a long-term starter at the very position Perry was drafted to upgrade? Had Lewis finally grown tired of constantly crossing his fingers whenever thinking of Perry? Or had nothing really changed at all? Ask yourself this question. Did the Bengals improve their long-term offer only because Perry's injury forced them into a panic response OR did that final improved offer simply come when the timing of circumstances always dictated it would come. [[[DING!]]] C'mon, the fact that there was no series of contract proposals showing how the Bengals repeatedly bid against themselves for no reason doesn't come as much of a shock. Nor does it come remotely close to proving that there was no interest. All it implies is that the Bengals evaluated things from the start and determined that the only way they were going to get a long-term deal with Rudi Johnson was by playing a very polite form of hardball. Among other things, this meant digging in for at least 17 months worth of long haul. It also meant drafting a prospect largely for bargaining leverage, making a long term offer to the preferred starter...but refusing to improve upon it until circumstances demanded it, completely eliminating most of that players leverage by using a franchise tag, and finally...improving the offer only at the 11th hour. So add it all up and the question isn't if Perry was drafted to be a backup*. No, that much should be painfully obvious by now. The question that remains is if Perry can actually fill that lesser role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Nothing like redefining words in order to bolster your argument. Shall I do the same? After all, if you can, so can I. How about "starter*"?Did you just show a little faith in your boy by calling Chris Perry a starter*? Not* at* all*. The* argument* that* Perry* is* a* starter (no*) is* much* stronger* than* the* one* he's* a* starter*. But* if* you're** (two because it's a contraction) going* to* redefine* words* to* suit* your* argument*, so* can* I*. That's** all*. Your post hurt my eyes. That said, Perry IS a backup. In fact, he'll probably never be anything else for this team. However, because you've complained loudly enough I'll stop using the asterick...mostly because Perry hasn't proven he's worthy of that type of positive qualifier. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin's Maniax Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I believe Perry will be competing for a starting position, Kick returner and third down back. If Perry is as good a receiver as Marvin thinks he is I would expect him on the field a lot in passing situations. Also Rudi cannot keep running the ball 340+ times per year and stay healthy. The Bengals obviously don't think Watson can take away some of those carries if so he would have done it last year. Perry could be a back that sees the ball 7-12 times a game and I think that would be perfect for this offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I say Perry takes over RJs starting spot midseason. Or at least shows that he SHOULD be starting over RJ, but ML doesnt want to look stupid for giving RJ that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTBengalsFan Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I say Perry takes over RJs starting spot midseason. Or at least shows that he SHOULD be starting over RJ, but ML doesnt want to look stupid for giving RJ that deal. ROOOOOOOFL, yup, because you "DontPushMe" know what's better for the Bengals than Marvin. give it up man, give it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bengalboomer7 Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Man Terry, can I get tickets to that jungle! :player: GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :player: Gives a whole to meaning to " Here, Kitty, Kitty" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I say Perry takes over RJs starting spot midseason. I know some of you guys consider DPM a troll and want him banned, but I like him. I'm not kidding, I hope he sticks around. Bottom Line: Having a guy like DPM around makes every one of us feel a little bit smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I say Perry takes over RJs starting spot midseason.I know some of you guys consider DPM a troll and want him banned, but I like him. I'm not kidding, I hope he sticks around. Bottom Line: Having a guy like DPM around makes every one of us feel a little bit smarter. That's the spirit! Tolerance folk's. (To steal a line from some nameless politician...)Let's make this a "Kinder and Gentler" Bengalszone Forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I say Perry takes over RJs starting spot midseason.I know some of you guys consider DPM a troll and want him banned, but I like him. I'm not kidding, I hope he sticks around. DPM is my friend, actually, if any of you want to believe it.He's cool off the message board, and we talk about s**t besides Cincy RB's.I'm just tired of talking about Rudi Chris and Corey.They're all signed to long term contracts.It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../504140396/1066Thursday, April 14, 2005 Perry trying to stay on road to recovery Tailback still unable to work out fullyBy Mark CurnutteEnquirer staff writerInjuries limited running back Chris Perry to five touches as a rookie.He had surgery in January to repair a sports hernia that would require a second operation.Perry is expected to be cleared by June at the earliest. If not then, he should be ready for the start of training camp in late July."Hopefully, we'll stay on track with that timetable, and it will work out that way," he said Wednesday.Perry can not participate fully in the Bengals' offseason strength and conditioning program."Definitely," he said when asked if he were eager to begin working out with teammates, "but my body can't do it right now, so I'm recovering."Perry had two carries for 1 yard as a rookie, and three receptions for 33 yards. He joins starter Rudi Johnson and third-down specialist Kenny Watson, who Tuesday signed a one-year tender as a restricted free agent, as returnees at running back from last season.Perry played Oct. 3 and Oct. 17, at Pittsburgh and Cleveland. He suffered the abdominal strain on Oct. 20 during practice.He was active for Game 13 and, after being designated as inactive for games 14 and 15, became one of 18 Bengals placed on a season-ending reserve list Dec. 29."It wouldn't come," Perry said of efforts to play in 2004. "It was painful. It was more frustrating than anything."And now that everybody knows what kind of injury it was, and there was a procedure that had to get done, I feel kind of validated or something."Walking around here, everybody thinking, 'You look fine.' That's how it goes sometimes. Everybody's now going to know the full story." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 I'm hoping Chris Perry comes back from his injuries and plays as well as TJ did after his year of injuries. Perry does have real capabilities and could be a significant contributor to our winning season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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