No Alexander for YOU!

[HairOnFire]

Perry starting over Rudi by mid season will not happen.

Perry won't win the starting job over Rudi....period. He may inherit it in the future if Rudi has a serious injury, but that's it. Eventually this thing will play out and the Bengals will get a new long term deal with Rudi done, but c'mon....let's get past that muddy water. Because the size and length of the Bengals current contract proposal, and their willingness to use a restrictive but expensive franchise tag, have already made it clear that in the grand-scheme-o'-things Rudi is the building block and Perry is the complimentary role playing BACKUP.

There's no room for further discussion.

[DontPushMe]

When did he get that extra yard?

^^^ He had 33 receiving, 1 rushing. Can you do math?

bb7: Perry's 34 yards are 34 more then Rudi had at the same point in his career.

sox: you dont know how much enjoyment i get watching morons act like i was wrong there. First off, all of my predictions have held true so far, i said perry was a good pick, madieu was a good pick, but not as good as corey dillon. The jury is still out on this draft, Ratliff was supposed to be a playmaker, and he had 0 ints his rookie year, dropping a bunch of them. Madieu rocks, but no matter what, he will never be as good as dillon. Caleb Miller is not a good player, and Landon might be solid. This draft is overrated by fans just because it had a lot of rookies that got on the feild during their rookie year. and 2nd, i was one of about 20-30 people making the same type of comments, shocked with the picks. I bet most of the people on this board were shocked by some of the picks as well.

Perry won't win the starting job over Rudi....period.

^^^ we will see about that. Perry is 10x as talented as Rudi Johnson. He will take Rudi's job with ease if he can stay healthy.

[HairOnFire]

First off, all of my predictions have held true so far, i said perry was a good pick, madieu was a good pick, but not as good as corey dillon.

Sorry, but I remember your whining from the Huddles board. Like many others, myself included, you flat out hated the Perry pick. But you didn't stop there, didja? No, immediately after the Mad Williams pick was announced you claimed the entire Bengal draft was a bust.

Phhhhhtttttttt.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Sorry, but I remember your whining from the Huddles board. Like many others, myself included, you flat out hated the Perry pick. But you didn't stop there, didja? No, immediately after the Mad Williams pick was announced you claimed the entire Bengal draft was a bust.

Phhhhhtttttttt.

Somebody just got busted.

[DontPushMe]

First off, all of my predictions have held true so far, i said perry was a good pick, madieu was a good pick, but not as good as corey dillon.

Sorry, but I remember your whining from the Huddles board. Like many others, myself included, you flat out hated the Perry pick. But you didn't stop there, didja? No, immediately after the Mad Williams pick was announced you claimed the entire Bengal draft was a bust.

Phhhhhtttttttt.

Hmm, thats weird, the post i looked at had me saying something like "The first round pick was good, but this one sucks" when talking about the Ratliff pick.

Im trieng not to live in the past though. So im not going to sit here argueing with you about this. If you think i wanted our draft to be a bust you are an idiot, im happy that they look good. This is probly the first case of me being wrong on something, so people are going all out on it. Im usually right about these things. I was right on all of my other draft predictions that people disagreed with before the draft.

[jjakq27]

This is probly the first case of me being wrong on something, so people are going all out on it. Im usually right about these things. I was right on all of my other draft predictions that people disagreed with before the draft.

I believe you think too highly of yourself. But I am probably wrong.

[BengalNation1281]

First off, all of my predictions have held true so far, i said perry was a good pick, madieu was a good pick, but not as good as corey dillon.

Sorry, but I remember your whining from the Huddles board. Like many others, myself included, you flat out hated the Perry pick. But you didn't stop there, didja? No, immediately after the Mad Williams pick was announced you claimed the entire Bengal draft was a bust.

Phhhhhtttttttt.

Hmm, thats weird, the post i looked at had me saying something like "The first round pick was good, but this one sucks" when talking about the Ratliff pick.

Im trieng not to live in the past though. So im not going to sit here argueing with you about this. If you think i wanted our draft to be a bust you are an idiot, im happy that they look good. This is probly the first case of me being wrong on something, so people are going all out on it. Im usually right about these things. I was right on all of my other draft predictions that people disagreed with before the draft.

Hey DPM, you might gain some ground with your arguments if you LEARN HOW TO FREAKIN' SPELL!!!!! Good God, it's like you hired a monkey to type your posts while you try ever so hard to finish the homework that they gave you at the Sylvan Learning Center.

Do you spell that many words incorrectly so that we will take pity on you because you're a moron, or do you really just not know how to spell or use punctuation?

[DontPushMe]

First off, all of my predictions have held true so far, i said perry was a good pick, madieu was a good pick, but not as good as corey dillon.

Sorry, but I remember your whining from the Huddles board. Like many others, myself included, you flat out hated the Perry pick. But you didn't stop there, didja? No, immediately after the Mad Williams pick was announced you claimed the entire Bengal draft was a bust.

Phhhhhtttttttt.

Hmm, thats weird, the post i looked at had me saying something like "The first round pick was good, but this one sucks" when talking about the Ratliff pick.

Im trieng not to live in the past though. So im not going to sit here argueing with you about this. If you think i wanted our draft to be a bust you are an idiot, im happy that they look good. This is probly the first case of me being wrong on something, so people are going all out on it. Im usually right about these things. I was right on all of my other draft predictions that people disagreed with before the draft.

Hey DPM, you might gain some ground with your arguments if you LEARN HOW TO FREAKIN' SPELL!!!!! Good God, it's like you hired a monkey to type your posts while you try ever so hard to finish the homework that they gave you at the Sylvan Learning Center.

Do you spell that many words incorrectly so that we will take pity on you because you're a moron, or do you really just not know how to spell or use punctuation?

uhh, i dont think that has anything to do with anything, if you need to know, im a sophmore in college with a 3.7 gpa, i know how to write papers, spell, and use punctuation when im doing something for school, but this isnt for school is it? to me this is just like sitting around talking football with friends, when im talking with my friends i dont make sure i have perfect sentense structure, so why should i when im posting on a message board for fun?

and even if i didnt know how to spell, there is a spell check button right down there \/... i just dont really care, oh, and im above your personal insults so no comment there, have a nice day

[BengalNation1281]

Well it's so good of you to be the better person, DPM. All of us on this board know how good a person you truly are, so it's nice that you can rise above our petty insults.

*sarcasm off*

So did you throw in that "I'm a sophomore in college with a 3.7 GPA" so we would all know how smart you are? Did you feel that you needed a pat on the back, or are you just trying to prove that in real life you are not as horribly uneducated and dense as you appear to be on this board?

And spelling the words correctly and knowing how to spell the words correctly are two totally different things. Anybody can use a spell check...I was wondering if you actually knew how to spell words correctly on your own. And I wasn't trying to insult you...I was asking a serious question.

I also hope that you have a wonderful day

[bengalboomer7]

Sophomore with a 3.7 GPA Well, Ill just take a page out of your grade school book DPM -"liar, liar, pants on fire!!! Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence and a college student wouldn't act like that. You remind me of bax and Thumper cause you think your better than everyone else!! If you realize that now, maybe you'll save yourself in shrink bills later!!

[IfItsBrownFlushItDown]

Unfortunately, I'm attempting to get back on topic here. On Foxsports.com they have a section on the offseason situations of every team. Here's the blurb for the Seahawks:

It looks like RB Shaun Alexander has scored his last TD for Seattle. After the Seahawks re-signed other key free agents Walter Jones and Matt Hasselbeck, the team gave their star RB the dreaded franchise tag, knowing he would welcome a change of scenery anyway.

I'm really hoping this is true, but we are not pulling a Moss to Oakland deal (1st round, 7th round, AND a starter? PLEASE). My hopes are that we either give up the starter OR the first round pick, not both (I do expect a later round pick to be dealt as well).

That's my chip in, let's hope Foxsports has their info right!

[DontPushMe]

Well it's so good of you to be the better person, DPM. All of us on this board know how good a person you truly are, so it's nice that you can rise above our petty insults.

*sarcasm off*

So did you throw in that "I'm a sophomore in college with a 3.7 GPA" so we would all know how smart you are? Did you feel that you needed a pat on the back, or are you just trying to prove that in real life you are not as horribly uneducated and dense as you appear to be on this board?

And spelling the words correctly and knowing how to spell the words correctly are two totally different things. Anybody can use a spell check...I was wondering if you actually knew how to spell words correctly on your own. And I wasn't trying to insult you...I was asking a serious question.

I also hope that you have a wonderful day

When have i used insults before? I attack the arguement, not the person. You attack the person because my arguement is right.

No i threw that in about the gpa because you mentioned something about me being at the sylvan learning center and tried to act like i wasnt smart, so i had to set you straight.

BB7: I am better then everyone else here.

[Sox]

DPM quote 1.

"this draft is officially a huge step back

We basically traded Corey Dillon for Medeau Williams...

I think Lewis thinks that this draft is a joke. I am turning this **** off"

DPM quote 2.

" We might as well not have picked. This draft has been a disaster...

1st round, trade from 17 to 24 getting a bad cornerback and a 4th round pick. Had we stayed at 17, we could of had our pick of DJ Williams, Will Smith,Udeze, and Wilfork. Instead, we get Chris Perry, who isnt a bad player, but not nearly a need position, and not the BPA on most draft boards.

2nd round, we take a short, slow, cornerback wo cant bump and run. Followed by an ok safety, but once again, not the BPA, and not a need position.

This draft is horrible, a huge step back. **** the playoffs next year, with palmer being basically a rookie, and nothing to help him out on defence, this team is going back where we were 2 years ago."

DPM quote 3.

"Team Marvin is correct. If you think they have been going with the BPA this year, you are an idiot. This draft hasnt been close to the BPA. This is reminiscent of Dick LeBeau drafts."

Isn't this fun?

[DontPushMe]

yeah thats so fun to go back a year ago and make fun of someone for being wrong, is it so hard to find me being wrong that you have to go back in time a full year just to see it happen?

And you are acting like I alone didnt think that was a good draft when it happened. My '3rd quote' was just me agreeing with someone. Yeah thats real funny.. Shoot it took me 10 seconds to do a search here and find many of our favorite BZ posters dissing this draft. http://forums.bengalszone.com/index.php?showtopic=1562&hl

I didnt like the picks at first, but once i looked into them, a few days later i thought it was a great draft.

Not to mention, i dont see much wrong with my 'quote's. We did basically trade Dillon for Madieu, and as good as Madieu might be, hes not Corey Dillon, and never will be. I still would of rather had one of the players taken between 17 and 23 than Chris Perry and Oneil. And as for Ratliff, the jury is still out on weather he will be a full time starter even or not.

[jjakq27]

im a sophmore in college ...

from Webster's Dictionary:

sophomore-soph-o-more n. A student in the 2nd year of college or high school.

sophomoric-soph-o-mor-ic adj. 1. Of, pertaining to, or typical of a sophomore. 2. Brash and overconfident but immature and ill informed.

[redsfan2510]

I dont know what you been drinking, but that was one of the Bengals best drafts ever. They are all solid players who will help us win our division next year. REDSFAN2510

[HoosierCat]

Perhaps -- but that doesn't warrant an assumption of failure.

Now, now...I'm assuming nothing. Just patiently waiting on proof.

Yeap Yeap Yeap Yeap Yeap.

You both miss my point. This request for "proof" of yours is a blind, a cop-out, a diversion. Nothing Perry could have done last year would constitute proof of his abilities.

Obviously he didn't play due to a misdiagnosed injury. So no proof.

Had he played in a backup/change-of-pace role, that would not have proved he was capable of being a No. 1.

And had Rudi gone down on the first play of the season and Perry played every snap afterwards and racked up Michigan-like numbers as the starter...well, even that isn't enough. The league has seen no shortage of one-year wonders.

[BengalNation1281]

Well it's so good of you to be the better person, DPM.  All of us on this board know how good a person you truly are, so it's nice that you can rise above our petty insults.

*sarcasm off*

So did you throw in that "I'm a sophomore in college with a 3.7 GPA" so we would all know how smart you are? Did you feel that you needed a pat on the back, or are you just trying to prove that in real life you are not as horribly uneducated and dense as you appear to be on this board?

And spelling the words correctly and knowing how to spell the words correctly are two totally different things.  Anybody can use a spell check...I was wondering if you actually knew how to spell words correctly on your own.  And I wasn't trying to insult you...I was asking a serious question. 

I also hope that you have a wonderful day

When have i used insults before? I attack the arguement, not the person. You attack the person because my arguement is right.

No i threw that in about the gpa because you mentioned something about me being at the sylvan learning center and tried to act like i wasnt smart, so i had to set you straight.

BB7: I am better then everyone else here.

What argument are you talking about here? If it's the "Chris Perry is better than Rudi" argument, then you aren't right. Chris Perry was injured most of the year and didn't do much in the time that he played, and Rudi just set the Bengals' single-season rushing record. I don't understand how that makes Perry an automatic improvement over Rudi, and you haven't given any facts to support that claim, just your opinion.

If it's the "Corey Dillon is better than Mad Williams" argument, well no s**t, dumba**. Dillon is an All-Pro RB with years of experience under his belt, and Mad is a 2nd-year starter who was one of the hottest young defensive rookies in the NFL last year. Despite the fact that they play two different positions, yes, Dillon has been better at his position for a longer period of time, but while he was a team cancer who had to be shipped off to avoid hearing his whiny, bitching mouth, Williams brought much-needed improvement to the secondary and looks to be a star in the coming years.

If it's the "Rudi is an average RB" argument, you're basically arguing a point that many actually agree with you on because you feel the need to get under people's skin. No, Rudi isn't a star RB, but he's pretty damn good, and he's the guy that will be our starting RB in the 2005-06 playoffs. If your argument is that he is an average-at-best RB because he isn't Corey Dillon, then he probably falls under the category of the other hundreds of NFL players who, in your wise opinion, aren't (or aren't as good as) Corey Dillon.

What other arguments have you made where you have used factual evidence over personal opinion to prove that you are right? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I didn't have a 3.7 GPA in college

I don't use personal insults because you are using arguments where I cannot defend my point of view...I insult you because you claim to be a fan of a team, yet you seem to hate most of the players on that team. I insult you because you pass off personal opinion as fact and try to make people feel stupid when they argue your points. I insult you because you act like an elitist, yet you can't spell common words correctly without using a spell check and use the same five points when arguing any subject. I insult you because you are a cancer on a board where even those who disagree with each other share a mutual respect and don't try to make others feel unintelligent, because we are here for the same reasons and share a love for the same team.

So while I am sure that you will enjoy this immensely, and that it probably just proves that in your eyes I'm a neanderthal and am incapable of being constructive without being insulting, I hardly seem to care anymore. I am one of many who wishes that you would just go back to whatever board it was that you plagued before this one and continue to revel in the fact that no one likes you, but it's only because they don't understand your "greatness."

Have a wonderful day.

[HairOnFire]

This is probly the first case of me being wrong on something, so people are going all out on it. Im usually right about these things.

I think doing what had never been done before...???...is deserving of a prize. And I vote for silence*.

*Stop pimping the Bengals BACKUP running back....for a month.

[bengalboomer7]

IF you think that you better start saving now, those shrinks charge by the hour, you know?

[HairOnFire]

DPM quote 1.

"this draft is officially a huge step back. We basically traded Corey Dillon for Medeau Williams...I think Lewis thinks that this draft is a joke. I am turning this **** off"

DPM quote 2.

" We might as well not have picked. This draft has been a disaster...1st round, trade from 17 to 24 getting a bad cornerback and a 4th round pick. Had we stayed at 17, we could of had our pick of DJ Williams, Will Smith,Udeze, and Wilfork. Instead, we get Chris Perry, who isnt a bad player, but not nearly a need position, and not the BPA on most draft boards.

2nd round, we take a short, slow, cornerback wo cant bump and run. Followed by an ok safety, but once again, not the BPA, and not a need position.

This draft is horrible, a huge step back. **** the playoffs next year, with palmer being basically a rookie, and nothing to help him out on defence, this team is going back where we were 2 years ago."

DPM quote 3.

"Team Marvin is correct. If you think they have been going with the BPA this year, you are an idiot. This draft hasnt been close to the BPA. This is reminiscent of Dick LeBeau drafts."

Just a fun reminder of how little Pushy knows about football in general, and the NFL draft in particular.

And once again I offer major props to Sox for doing the legwork.

[GROIIIDayton]

lol... that is funny... best post of the night

[DontPushMe]

DPM quote 1.

"this draft is officially a huge step back. We basically traded Corey Dillon for Medeau Williams...I think Lewis thinks that this draft is a joke. I am turning this **** off"

DPM quote 2.

" We might as well not have picked. This draft has been a disaster...1st round, trade from 17 to 24 getting a bad cornerback and a 4th round pick. Had we stayed at 17, we could of had our pick of DJ Williams, Will Smith,Udeze, and Wilfork. Instead, we get Chris Perry, who isnt a bad player, but not nearly a need position, and not the BPA on most draft boards.

2nd round, we take a short, slow, cornerback wo cant bump and run. Followed by an ok safety, but once again, not the BPA, and not a need position.

This draft is horrible, a huge step back. **** the playoffs next year, with palmer being basically a rookie, and nothing to help him out on defence, this team is going back where we were 2 years ago."

DPM quote 3.

"Team Marvin is correct. If you think they have been going with the BPA this year, you are an idiot. This draft hasnt been close to the BPA. This is reminiscent of Dick LeBeau drafts."

Just a fun reminder of how little Pushy knows about football in general, and the NFL draft in particular.

And once again I offer major props to Sox for doing the legwork.

I have a stalker! Man you need to step back bro i think you are a bit too obsessed with me.

Oh, and Considering you had to go back over a year to find something I said that wasnt exactly correct (though i stand by most of what i said, i just could of handled it better), id say im in pretty good shape. Id make one of those about you, but it would be about 900 posts so no real point in wasting my time.

How much of what i said is really that far off though? No one here likes Perry except me (and a couple others), so I doubt your defending him. We DID trade Dillon for Madieu, and i dont care how good Madieu is, hes no where near as good as Corey, and never will be. Deltha O'Neil failed to impress me this year. I still think the option to get one of the players at 17 would have been better then Oneil and Perry. Ratliff was ok, but still probly wont be a #1 CB. Caleb Miller was pretty much crap, Landon Johnson played good but has already lost his starting job. Now, what was so funny again?

Also, to anyone who plans on laughing at this. Read the entire second page of this thread. I schooled these kids, which is why they backed off, and then brought it back months later for another run.

[Kazkal]

alot of people were hating on last years draft so what does it matter?

[HairOnFire]

How much of what i said is really that far off though?

Quick highlites....

1- Your first reaction to the selection of Chris Perry?

"We might as well not have picked."

Frankly, I'm tempted to agree with you on this one. I'm also tempted to make your quote my signature. But for the moment I'll simply laugh out loud at the way your keen football mind has completely reversed itself after seeing the results of Perry's two-carry career.

2- You then offer the faintest of praise in regards to Perry by saying he...

"...isn't a bad player, but not nearly a need postion, and not the BPA on most draft boards."

Let's ignore for a moment the fact that the closest a guy like you gets to an actual draft board is when you read the Sporting News draft guide at the grocery store while your mommy shops for your favorite brandy of sugary cereal. My real question in regards to this Pushy quote is obvious. Why was there so little need for a new RB? Wasn't it because the Bengals already had Rudi Johnson? You bet. Yet somehow you've once again managed to completely reverse your opinion. So I ask myself what could have prompted such a radical change in your thinking. Did it occur when Rudi shattered the franchise rushing record? Or did you see something special in BOTH rushing attempts Chris Perry was able to stay healthy for?

3- Proving you know as little about defense as you do offense you then mock and ridicule the selection of Keiwan Ratliff AND Madieu Williams, and further claim that Williams was poor value who didn't play a position of need. In fact, you somehow manage to mock almost everything about a draft that produced several starters, a plethora of backups, and just one outright bust. (Chris Perry.)