walzav29 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 The one thing I already notice about Chuck is that he has basically said it is time to see what Mathias is made of. That is something that Les wouldn't have done. I think that Marvin get's irritated with a lack of passion and not challenging the players. I feel the defense will jump by leaps and bounds next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Well, he definitely has a passion for the game. I don't think you can deny that. He'll work hard for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Askew has too much raw talent and size to be sitting on the sidelines another season that's for certain. I think we forget about him and Geathers when talking about DL prospects - Geathers is probably a better one-on-one pass rusher than Justin Smith at this point already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan2 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Askew has too much raw talent and size to be sitting on the sidelines another season that's for certain. I think we forget about him and Geathers when talking about DL prospects - Geathers is probably a better one-on-one pass rusher than Justin Smith at this point already. Good point was made in an article about Geathers being willing to stay in his gap and fight through he blockers .... ie doing the dirty work. It's what the coach has been preaching since he got here, and it looks like at least in this case it didn't fall on deaf ears. Also have to wonder how much that contributed to Justin getting his 8 sacks this year ???Word on Askew coming out of college was that he Was that big body who could plug the middle for you. From what Bresnahan is saying tho .... that won't be enough to get him on the field. I'm looking for a major leap in the defense as well. If not ... well Bresnahan Knows that he's got 2 years .... just like the last guy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Bresnahan will make us better. Justin will have his best season so far, and Geathers will become a force to be reckoned with. Everyone talks about how good the offense will be next year (and it will be, we all know that), but I think that the defense will jump at least into the middle of the pack in the NFL and maybe compete for the top 10. It will also be the most balanced defense that we have had in the Lewis era, with the secondary and D-line being more equal in the production than we have had in the last couple of years (2003 we couldn't stop the pass, 2004 we couldn't stop the run). I am looking very forward to 2005.BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Geathers was awesome as a situational pass rusher, but let's see how much playing time he can earn before comparing him to Smith...a true 3 down DE who is on the field for all but 3 or 4 plays per game. BTW, after reading the article earlier in the week I thought it was about time Marvin and company were quoted as being fans of Justin Smith's play. In my opinion Smith gets way too much criticism from fans who don't have a clue what they're seeing. To that end, pun intended, I think a few positive remarks from his head coach would go a long way towards getting the casual fan off of Justin's back. Last, did anyone else read where Marcus Spears has quickly stood out as the best defensive player at the Senior Bowl? Makes me wonder if he hasn't already taken himself off the board at #17. But if he was available I'd argue we could put that guy at LDE and watch the sparks fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Last, did anyone else read where Marcus Spears has quickly stood out as the best defensive player at the Senior Bowl? Makes me wonder if he hasn't already taken himself off the board at #17. But if he was available I'd argue we could put that guy at LDE and watch the sparks fly. I would love to this guy on our D-line. It would be exciting to watch !!As far as Askew is concerned, with no clear cut above the rest DT, who's to say if Askew had stayed, he'd be the #1 DT this draft ?? Like all have said since last years draft, "We got the steal of the draft in Askew". I hope to hell he and the rest of the D-line step it up. This is going to be exciting !!! Is it August yet ??WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Spears would be a prize, no doubt about it. He's already drawing Reggie White comparisions (and so I think Hair's right, he'll likely be gone by 17).I agree that Askew and Geathers will make us better. Another guy who keeps getting forgotten is Langston Moore. He saw his first snaps last year, too, and IMHO was an instant upgrade vs. Tony Williams. He's only going to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Spears would be a prize, no doubt about it. He's already drawing Reggie White comparisions (and so I think Hair's right, he'll likely be gone by 17).I agree that Askew and Geathers will make us better. Another guy who keeps getting forgotten is Langston Moore. He saw his first snaps last year, too, and IMHO was an instant upgrade vs. Tony Williams. He's only going to get better. Yes, you could see the push up the middle improve as soon as Moore went in the Denver game for Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Stripes Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Geathers was awesome as a situational pass rusher, but let's see how much playing time he can earn before comparing him to Smith...a true 3 down DE who is on the field for all but 3 or 4 plays per game. BTW, after reading the article earlier in the week I thought it was about time Marvin and company were quoted as being fans of Justin Smith's play. In my opinion Smith gets way too much criticism from fans who don't have a clue what they're seeing. To that end, pun intended, I think a few positive remarks from his head coach would go a long way towards getting the casual fan off of Justin's back. Last, did anyone else read where Marcus Spears has quickly stood out as the best defensive player at the Senior Bowl? Makes me wonder if he hasn't already taken himself off the board at #17. But if he was available I'd argue we could put that guy at LDE and watch the sparks fly. yea smith is a brute if just because he doesn't make 8-10 sacks a year doesn't mean hes not the best player on our dl also criticize a guy who has already been back lifting for a week now and the season ended what a month ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OICanDoThat Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Yes, you could see the push up the middle improve as soon as Moore went in the Denver game for Williams. Yeah, you could see it improve, but to go from one of the worst to bad is only a hint of the kind of improvement our defense needs to make. Moore, Askew and Geathers right now seem like good backups for a rotation, I would not let their presence prevent me, if my vote mattered, from either signing or drafting one or two premier linemen. This is not to say they won't one day be starting material, they just aren't there now. For too long we have all been wallowed in mediocrity to realize that average players are not good enough. I want best, not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubThumper Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Yes, you could see the push up the middle improve as soon as Moore went in the Denver game for Williams.Yeah, you could see it improve, but to go from one of the worst to bad is only a hint of the kind of improvement our defense needs to make. Moore, Askew and Geathers right now seem like good backups for a rotation, I would not let their presence prevent me, if my vote mattered, from either signing or drafting one or two premier linemen. This is not to say they won't one day be starting material, they just aren't there now. For too long we have all been wallowed in mediocrity to realize that average players are not good enough. I want best, not better. I have to agree there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 If you think the Bengals need part-time help at DE then go ahead and draft Marcus Spears. He is a what I call a "numbers guy" -- tremendous physical DE (the DE version of BIG DADDY!) plays super occasionally. If Marvin selects him then I believe that Marvin believes he can get Spears to play every down -- not just when he feels the urge. One data point on Askew -- during one of the games he was in, Marvin was talking to all of D-line and trying to get some message across to them. Langston Moore was very attentive! Sitting next to Moore, Askew appeared to bored and ignoring the discussion. I hope the new coach can get his message across to Askew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Justin Smith has been my favorite Bengals defensive player since we drafted him. I love his fire, and I think he, as was mentioned above, takes way too much heat from fans.My friend, who is a die-hard Nebraska fan and a complete Grant Wistrom homer, once said that Wistrom was the most underrated DE in the NFL (which I had a hearty laugh about). When we were watching the Denver game and Smith got the 2nd sack in a row on Plummer that closed up the game, my buddy came to me and said, "Dude, I was so wrong...Justin Smith is the most underrated DE in the game." But if he is guilty of being a homer for Wistrom, then I am just as guilty for being a complete Justin Smith homer. BN1281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I would not let their presence prevent me, if my vote mattered, from either signing or drafting one or two premier linemen. I wouldn't either, but the fact remains that our performance improved thanks to three guys who had a collective 0 NFL snaps coming into the season. That tells me that we have some good young talent, and of them only Moore has had time to put on weight, learn the playbook, and otherwise get his mind and body out of college and into the pros. So I'm optomistic about their future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Spears would be a prize, no doubt about it. He's already drawing Reggie White comparisions (and so I think Hair's right, he'll likely be gone by 17). I'll pimp Spears pretty hard, but I've got my limits. IMHO the Reggie White comparisons are pretty ridiculous. Spears isn't in that sort of class as a pass rusher, and he'll probably never develope into that type of rare impact player. That said, I think he's a very good LDE prospect who can upgrade this teams run defense from day one, and develope into a pretty respectable NFL pass rusher. And for me, that'll do. I'm not sure if Spears will be gone by #17, but from what I'm reading it sure seems like he's making some serious noise at the Senior Bowl practices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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